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Lebron is officially the GOAT now, right?
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:25 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza I'm trying to think of arguments for Jordan but none seem convincing anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138382) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: Peach crusty church Please shut the fuck up about the rigged nigger ball association (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141052) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:31 PM Author: Peach crusty church This thread should be deleted and not have triple didget poast$ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141056) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: cordovan twisted fanboi Yeah dude, beating 20 y/o Jayson Tatum & Marcus Smart has cemented his place in history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141061) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141065) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: internet-worthy galvanic turdskin twinkling uncleanness You dont understand. This 2018 Celtics is one of the greastest teams of all time. They were 10-0 at home in the playoffs! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141071) |
Date: May 27th, 2018 11:26 PM Author: Chartreuse keepsake machete bawdyhouse its all rigged. doesnt count. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138386) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:27 PM Author: topaz rambunctious place of business garrison he has been for some time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138389) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:28 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza I agree, but Jordan fans could still point to playoff success. What do they have now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138391) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:29 PM Author: internet-worthy galvanic turdskin twinkling uncleanness Im now convinced you run flame shtick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138404) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:30 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Convicne me. Why would you rank Jordan above Lebron as of right now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138410) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:41 PM Author: beady-eyed indigo love of her life No argument beyond nostalgia makes jordan over lbj. Niggas gotta put that shit to bed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141102) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:29 PM Author: Big drab ratface trailer park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138402) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:19 AM Author: mahogany talking tanning salon Nah you just haven't been alive long enough to have any perspective (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138613) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:30 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Did you watch Wilt or Bill play? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138666) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:28 PM Author: Fragrant Shivering Pervert LeBron is impressive, no doubt.
I'm still taking Jordan. He would have gone to and won 8 straight finals if he didn't get suspended for gambling ... errr .... retired to pursue baseball. |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:31 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza So we're going to give Jordan the benefit of the doubt for his own personal failings? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138412) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:46 AM Author: Thirsty Abnormal Step-uncle's House Potus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138760) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:31 PM Author: Kink-friendly hairraiser trump supporter nah rockets win at least one of those championships
bulls never had an answer for hakeem |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:28 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre you realize that he played and lost in the playoffs one those years, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140812) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:30 PM Author: internet-worthy galvanic turdskin twinkling uncleanness Sure, but after taking the off season and 90% of the regular season off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140818) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:32 PM Author: stubborn circlehead Karl Malone is up there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138417) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:47 PM Author: stubborn circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138470) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:30 AM Author: Burgundy Titillating Space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138667) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: Big drab ratface trailer park when jordan wasnt with the bulls 93-94 they still went 55-27 and made it past round 1 of the playoffs.
if lebron wasnt with these guys? LJL |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:37 PM Author: exciting hunting ground locus Jordan's lifetime 3 point (32.7%) is below the worst team in the NBA. I'm not sure he'd make a roster today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138433) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:41 PM Author: stubborn circlehead yea but they had Kerr and Kukoc for that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138448) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: Big drab ratface trailer park jordan is still second GOAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138467) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: Dashing carmine sex offender wasn't his job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138511) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:01 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza The point is it'd be everyone's job in the modern NBA.
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:03 AM Author: exciting hunting ground locus Yea even Embiid and unibrow unload. If you can't shoot 3s you are a liability because you make everyone else less effective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138524) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 8:58 AM Author: Crimson tantric office fortuitous meteor Jordan would have adjusted his game to 3 shooting if that really were necessary in the “modern NBA.” Though I think you’re overstating the case for the role of 3-point shooting due to recency bias—just because GS plays this way doesn’t mean it’s the only way to dominate in 2018. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36212251) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:18 AM Author: mahogany talking tanning salon He might not even make a D1 roster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138605) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 8:49 AM Author: Crimson tantric office fortuitous meteor To be serious about this for a minute *begins prancing*: Jordan’s game wasn’t constructed around 3-point shooting but that was an intentional play style choice. For most of his career he DNGAF about 3s, as shown in his low shot numbers. When he so desired, he could hone his 3-point game just fine: in 95-96 he shot around .425 on ~250 attempts and in 96-97 he shot around .375 on ~300 attempts. And that’s “post-first-retirement” Jordan. He was averaging 3-4 attempts per game both those seasons. But for most of his career he didn’t average much more than 1 attempt per game and in some seasons it was less than that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36212233) |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: appetizing hideous pistol business firm 3-5 record in the finals
played his entire career in the objectively weaker conference, and it wasn't close.
chased talent to win rings, rather than the talent coming to him. when the fallback argument is always that "he didn't have enough help," it's fair to wonder if he got as much from his teammates as he possibly could.
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those are the arguments. |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:56 PM Author: electric market becky "it's fair to wonder if he got as much from his teammates as he possibly could."
He took the Warriors to six games with a starting lineup of Mozgov, Dellevedova, Thompson, and JR
He BEAT an f'in 73 win team for a ring with 35 year old Richard Jefferson playing major minutes. Mo Williams played in the rotation in that series. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:04 AM Author: appetizing hideous pistol business firm 2014-15? that team had kyrie and love as well, both of whom helped lebron all year before getting injured in the playoffs. and who did he beat? a terrible boston team in the first round, an underwhelming bulls team led by Pau Gasol in the 2nd round, and the fluke-y Hawks, who, despite having a great regular season, no one took seriously.
if the argument is that he's getting to the finals, you can't ignore the easy road he's had virtually every single year. so what if he beat the warriors two times that year?
and no f'n way the warriors would've lost had lebron not goaded draymond into "kicking" him. |
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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:57 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza "3-5 record in the finals "
This argument is nonsensical to me. In two of his Finals against the Spurs and in every Finals he played against the Warriors he was playing against a significantly better team. Did you expect him to actually win those series?
"it's fair to wonder if he got as much from his teammates as he possibly could. "
LMAO |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:07 AM Author: appetizing hideous pistol business firm of course not. you're missing the point, which is that were the playoffs a 16 team, unconferenced tournament, he wouldn't have half as many finals appearances. it'd be two teams from the west a majority of the time since the year he got drafted. do you disagree with this?
an argument for GOAT needs to be predicated on winning, and my contention is he's an overrated winner. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:13 AM Author: Big drab ratface trailer park if there were an open playoff system then the incentives during the season would be different, different trades would happen, there'd be more parity between the conferences. but there's not so the east is left to be content as is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138564) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:15 AM Author: appetizing hideous pistol business firm bullshit. kobe's lakers, duncan's spurs, nash's suns, curry's warriors, dirk's mavs, none of these teams would be materially different. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138576) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:18 AM Author: Big drab ratface trailer park a ton of them would (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138599) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 1:11 AM Author: lascivious self-centered really tough guy People don't realize how dumb that argument is (at least the way it's frequently used).
As if it would have been better to not reached the finals several of those years to artificially increase his meaningless "win rate in the finals"
What Lebron did this postseason is as good an argument for GOAT as we're going to see, IMHO but I realize not everyone will agree. I think those people are a little too caught up on championships unfortunately - and although they are very important to the discussion I don't see how you ignore the strength of teammates Jordan had compared with this burning heap of a cavs team, or the fact that the Bulls W-L didn't change from the previous year the year Jordan took his first break (imagine Lebron leaving cavs - lol they'd be in the bottom ~3 teams in the East). |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140791) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:26 PM Author: internet-worthy galvanic turdskin twinkling uncleanness Al Horford was probably the biggest superstar he’s faced in the playoffs this yr. lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140800) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: Snowy trust fund Exactly, it's only a dumb argument if you're missing the point -- that Lebron never faced any real competition in the playoffs and was utterly exposed in the Finals over and over. Jordan faced intense competition in virtually ever playoffs series in his career. Even the Chris Webber-Juwan Howard Bullets would've knocked out some of Lebron's finals teams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140830) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre when was the last time Lebron was "utterly exposed" in the finals? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140835) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:37 PM Author: Snowy trust fund June 2017 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140851) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre ?
Lebron averaged a triple double: 34 PPG, 12 RPG, 10 APG, 1.4 SPG, 1.0 BPG and shot 56% from the field
again, when was he "exposed"? |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: Snowy trust fund You're being disingenuous. The series was wildly high scoring because of the Warriors style. Lebron is also a ballhog and the Warriors let him play right into their hands. A triple double is completely meaningless in that context. Lebron's team of hand-picked superstars was finished after the first game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140973) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre *averages double digit assists a game*
*is a ballhog*
He has the ball in his hands all the time because he's easily their best distributor. Do you even watch basketball at all? |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: Snowy trust fund Yes his teammates scored a bunch of points while getting their asses kicked. So what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141010) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre are you intentionally being dense? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141029) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Snowy trust fund *Lebron dribbles down the court* *tries to dunk it or passes to wide open guy for easy assist* *repeat every single play while getting destroyed*
OH WHAT A GOAT! |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre (idiot that thinks passing to wide open guys is a bad play) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141115) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza And NO ONE has been able to effectively stop this play for the past decade. Man, NBA teams are dumb huh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141123) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:08 AM Author: Clear drunken cruise ship It's a silly exercise because everyone knows the arguments and there's no right answer. I think we can comfortanly say that lebron is clearly the best player of his generation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138545) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:09 AM Author: appetizing hideous pistol business firm agreed. these are silly arguments, it's impossible to compare across generations. in my lifetime, each of these players had a multiple season claim on being the best in the game: MJ, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan and Lebron. That's basically the list. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138551) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:15 AM Author: exciting hunting ground locus The coaches were too stupid to understand the value of 3 point shooting. So Mike never bothered developing the skill. Could he have? Probably. But that's just speculation and is questionable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138578) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:16 AM Author: Vivacious offensive mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138582) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:17 AM Author: appetizing hideous pistol business firm yep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138591) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:20 AM Author: Clear drunken cruise ship of course he could have. lebron wasnt a good shooter when he entered the league. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138614) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:26 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza "of course he could have. "
Says who? Talent is talent, and some layers can improve skills, some can't. Lebron for example varies between mediocre foul shooting and bad foul shooting. He'll never be good at the foul line. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:47 PM Author: arousing hyperventilating people who are hurt What took them so long?
It can't be the math.
33% * 3 > 45% * 2 (or whatever the stats were immediately prior to the 3 point era) isn't deep knowledge. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre people at the top of their fields don't always make optimal decisions. Orthodoxy is hard to break from sometimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140911) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: exciting hunting ground locus http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/upshot/4th-down-when-to-go-for-it-and-why.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141281) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: Snowy trust fund I made a post about it on xo in 2013 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141286) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:42 AM Author: Trip smoky affirmative action This is one of :D's 115 IQ intellectual yet idiot tells
Ala http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990689&mc=87&forum_id=2#36159885
It's not obvious that shoot 3's as a reinvention of the game isn't entirely a function of illegal defense rule changes.
It used to be easier to pass the ball into the post and harder to double isolations, so those used to higher value plays |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:21 AM Author: mahogany talking tanning salon GOATs:
Jordan Gretzky Ruth
Only football is difficult to determine. Brady? Brown? Someone else? |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:22 AM Author: Clear drunken cruise ship soccer, boxing, tennis too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138621) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:23 AM Author: mahogany talking tanning salon True. I was thinking major usa pro sports (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138626) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:24 AM Author: Clear drunken cruise ship lawrence taylor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138631) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:28 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza How is LT significantly better than Reggie White? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138659) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:25 PM Author: Clear drunken cruise ship i dont really know that much about football man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141014) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:22 AM Author: internet-worthy galvanic turdskin twinkling uncleanness Too many positions in footblal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138624) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:27 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza If you're judging purely off of impact in the sport. then it's clearly Brady. Guy's been the most important player on the most successful football franchise ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138653) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:29 AM Author: internet-worthy galvanic turdskin twinkling uncleanness Im surprised youd go with Brady based on your arguments in support of LeBron. I’d thought you would have said Peyton. He has better stats than Brady. When he got injured, Colts went 2-14. Brady gets injured and Pats go 10-6 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138663) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:35 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza "He has better stats than Brady."
Brady leads Peyton in passer rating, INT%, and is .05 yards behind Peyton in ANY/A and .2 behind him in TD%. |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: Peach crusty church Fuck sport fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36324706) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:17 AM Author: mahogany talking tanning salon LOL GTFO it took him 7 games to beat a team playing without its 2 best players |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:32 AM Author: Snowy trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138679) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: maniacal mint native party of the first part And like 3 key bench players. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138797) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:21 AM Author: Bateful school Jordan wasn't a nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138617) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:22 AM Author: mahogany talking tanning salon Republicans buy sneakers too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138620) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:27 AM Author: Snowy trust fund #23 and it's not even particularly close (Michael Jordan) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138651) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:28 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Lebron wears 23 too... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138657) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:29 AM Author: Burgundy Titillating Space Alex Iverson is the GOAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138660) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: Snowy trust fund Michael Jordan: 6 dominant NBA Finals performances in a row Lebrun: 1 dominant NBA Finals performance and a bunch of really shitty ones |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza I'm pretty sure Lebron's Finals stats match up pretty closely to Jordan's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138705) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:40 AM Author: Snowy trust fund I'm sure there are other guys whose stats would too. They're not in the running either. Because I wasn't talking about stats. I'm talking about winning and dominating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138725) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:41 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza "I'm sure there are other guys whose stats would too."
Who?
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:43 AM Author: Snowy trust fund Go through the NBA top 50 list and find them. I'm not your slave, idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138748) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:40 AM Author: brindle mildly autistic messiness Grover Cleveland - two dominant presidential terms in a row. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138724) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:41 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Jordan fans ignore the 2 seasons he took off for some reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138737) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:45 AM Author: brindle mildly autistic messiness He even played in one of them!
Bonus MJ 1995:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZVZagjpOwc |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:54 AM Author: white spot mad-dog skullcap LeBron is individually the goat. LeBron is a once in a lifetime individual athlete playing a team sport.
It LeBrons fault he doesn't have any "help"
Mj tops him because he could retain better teammates and made those teammates better. Mj is a once in a generation talent who understood he was playing a team sport. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 1:07 AM Author: swashbuckling queen of the night church building This is fucking retarded. Lebron is a far superior passer to Jordan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138836) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 1:08 AM Author: maniacal mint native party of the first part LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138842) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:22 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140776) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 1:34 AM Author: white spot mad-dog skullcap Tell me more about mjs defensive skills (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138908) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: Bright Curious Den Legal Warrant This is correct. I am a yuuuge Cavs can and I've watched him for his whole career. He's a tremendous passer so in that sense he makes teammates better. But he refuses to conform to an offensive system that would allow himself and his teammates to score efficiently and sustain success over the course of a season and playoffs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140984) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza The Cavs have been one of the most efficient offensive scoring teams in the league since Lebron joined. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141026) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: Bright Curious Den Legal Warrant I don't know if that's true, but that doesn't disprove the point. They've been tremendously successful too, but have not been able to compete with the Warriors because LeBron's presence creates a ceiling. Even with Kyrie and Kevin Love, they were significant underdogs. Meanwhile, Brad Stevens won 55 games and went to the ECF with a 19 year old rookie and spare parts. Steve Kerr turned his stars into superstars (other than Durant) and turned in an incredible three year run. Greg Popovitch consistently gets the most out of both his stars and his role players. And the problem of LeBron having no support seems to follow him wherever he goes, and can only be ameliorated when his teammates are legit stars in their own right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141089) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:41 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza "but have not been able to compete with the Warriors because LeBron's presence creates a ceiling. "
They're the only team to beat the Warriors in the playoffs in 4 years.
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141110) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford In a rigged series (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141143) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:50 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Yes they rigged the series by making Steph Curry slip on a wet spot two rounds prior. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141147) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:22 PM Author: Bright Curious Den Legal Warrant And it was an all-time upset. My point is not that LeBron is not good. He is head and shoulders above everyone except Jordan in the last 30-40 years, and this season may put him above Jordan. My point is that if you follow the Cavs regularly, you notice this element that seems to follow LeBron through different iterations and different circumstances. It seems like many of his teammates get worse, especially offensively, while playing with him. No matter who they put on the bench, the bench will not be able to sustain offensive success. Other players who handle the ball fumble around embarrassingly. Kyrie was the one exception and perhaps it is not a coincidence that he is gone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141278) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:25 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza You're confusing volume with efficiency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141289) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:41 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre Klay and Steph were both already pretty good before Kerr showed up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141109) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:30 PM Author: Bright Curious Den Legal Warrant That's true, and now they're a level or two better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141306) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Also:
" And the problem of LeBron having no support seems to follow him wherever he goes,"
The Cavs were 33–49 the season before Lebron returned. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre that's not a completely fair comparison because Love wasn't on that team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141126) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Love is insanely overrated. They're a different, but not necessarily worse, team when he's out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141139) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford Love was scoring 26 points and grabbing 13 boards before joining LeBron, who makes everyone around him worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141155) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:53 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Yes, in garbage time playing for a lottery team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141164) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre the rebound stats are kinda fraudlies. The Minnesota teams he played on would let him get every easy board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141178) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza MJ literally got into fistfights with teammates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141037) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: maniacal mint native party of the first part The funny thing is that an actual all time great player would have instead swept a team full of 19 year old bench players instead of needing the last minute of Game 7 to pull it off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36138792) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 1:10 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140207) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:25 PM Author: Clear drunken cruise ship jordan had sub 500 seasons before getting pippen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141012) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 1:33 AM Author: cordovan twisted fanboi Jordan played a total of two games where the Bulls could have been eliminated in the six years he went to the Finals. LeBron has already exceeded that number against the Pacers and the Celtics minus their top two players this year alone. He went through peak Ewing, peak Malone/Stockton, peak Kemp/Payton, peak Barkley/KJ, peak Shaq/Penny, Drexler and Magic.
LeBron beat the Warriors, who were great, and they beat KD/Westbrook/Harden soundly. He needed the Allen shot to defeat a Spurs team who probably only made the Finals b/c of Westbrook's injury. What notable team has LeBron beaten in the East?
The KG/Pierce/Allen Celts once they were old? The Bulls w/Rose? PG/David West/Hibbert Pacers? Horford & Millsap? |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 6:51 AM Author: Know-it-all underhanded public bath This is a pretty compelling argument... A number of all time NBA greats are ringless purely because of MJ. In the Lebron era, basically everyone except Nash (and I guess Carmelo LJL) was able to get a title eventually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36139241) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:29 PM Author: Bright Curious Den Legal Warrant LeBron singlehandedly ended the Pistons reign in the east at like 22 years old, with the assistance of such luminaries as Boobie Gibson and Anderson Varejao. Scored like 27 of his team's last 28 points in 4Q and two overtimes of game 5, finished with like 48 points, and the Cavs dominated game six to put them away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141304) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 1:37 AM Author: wonderful gaming laptop Bulls in 94 were a mere 3 seed in the east and didn’t even make the ECF. Then look at the bulls with the same roster in 95. Total disaster. Trust me, it’s night and day from Lebron chasing super friends teams. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 1:42 AM Author: cordovan twisted fanboi In 1994, they were hosed on the phantom Pippen foul in Game 5 vs. the Knicks. Otherwise, they probably would have made the Finals again--#1 seed was the Hawks & they lost to Indiana in the semis.
95 wasn't the same roster. Grant went to Orlando. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre 94 bulls won 55 games. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141042) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 1:42 AM Author: wonderful gaming laptop Never forget the op is a shitllennial from faggot New York who really ought to remove spike lee’s “Knicks #1” Foam finger from his ass, but can’t, due to the danger of dying from anal blood loss all over his Patrick Ewing jersey due to the ass-raping Jordan did to all Knicks teams and fans for all eternity.
LeBron is a clear #2 all time. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 2:32 AM Author: wonderful gaming laptop Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless It's laughable to think winning the Least with this team was some great achievement by LeBron. Victor Oladipo's Indiana? The same sorry Raptors they swept LAST YEAR? The overachieving Celtics without two All-Stars??? Huh? LeBron's Cavs SHOULD'VE won the Least. 10:00 PM · May 27, 2018 |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 2:43 AM Author: topaz rambunctious place of business garrison "this tweet from Skip Bayless perfectly encapsulates my thoughts on Lebron James supporters" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36139020) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:41 AM Author: slimy toilet seat pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36139077) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140778) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:25 AM Author: maniacal mint native party of the first part ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36139058) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 2:48 AM Author: very tactful persian lay I saw Scottie pippen two days ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36139027) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:31 AM Author: laughsome black woman nibblets litte something you won't see on espsn https://streamable.com/k5aby (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36139063) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:36 AM Author: laughsome black woman nibblets watched the 3rd qtr. don't think i've ever seen shittier basketball from so called professionals since houston's 2nd half last night. boston was building a brick house on mostly open shots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36139070) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:37 AM Author: maniacal mint native party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36139071) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal temple He seems more ape than goat to me idk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140779) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:26 PM Author: Milky boyish address ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140804) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre Bulls made it to the eastern conference semifinals in the year after Jordan left to go play baseball. Does anyone seriously think this Cavs roster would even be anywhere close to playoff team without Lebron? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140949) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:11 PM Author: internet-worthy galvanic turdskin twinkling uncleanness Do you also think Peyton > Brady? Nothing wrong with that, everyone has a different opinion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140955) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:13 PM Author: cordovan twisted fanboi Do you think this Cavs roster with LeBron would be anywhere close to the Finals in the West? They were outscored by like 25 points in the first round by the fucking Pacers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140962) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: Clear drunken cruise ship yes. did you watch the rockets in the 2nd half the other night? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140980) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre I think that generally supports my argument here that the Cavs roster is terrible this year. I think it'd be very unlikely for this Cavs team to beat a Golden State team with two generational talents on the roster. Cavs probably match up slightly better with the Rockets, but Houston would still be heavily favored. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140989) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford Who filled in for Jordan and where did they move the money they saved? Who would fill in for Lebron? What would they use the money on? Fuck yes they would be in the playoffs you fucking retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140982) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:23 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html
Nobody filled in for Jordan and they won 55 games. Lmao. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford Yeah just Toni Kukoc, nbd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141031) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre His 10 points a game that season really made up for Jordan's absence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141046) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford That's not the argument dumbfuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141049) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre Oh, sorry.
To answer your question, Pete Myers (who was 30 and out of the fucking league for the previous two years) took Jordan's spot and they won 55 games that year.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/myerspe01.html |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford I didn't ask who played 2-guard, idiot. You may have realized this and are just being dishonest so you can abandon the Kukoc point, but it is hard to tell because you are so stupid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141080) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre lol you're the one being disingenuous. Kukoc was a rookie and averaged 10 points a game. That alone cannot possibly explain the Bulls' continued success without Jordan. Please actually engage my argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141100) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford Kukoc was 25 years old and PPG are a uniquely retarded metric to use to measure his impact, but you may have known these things and are just dishonest not retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141117) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:50 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre Please illuminate me then. What was his unique impact besides offensive production?
defense? http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-11-11/sports/9611110091_1_defense-toni-kukoc-bulls
"Since he has been in the league, the knock against Toni Kukoc has been his defense. His teammates sometimes razzed him about it. Opponents teased him about it. Sports Illustrated magazine even rated him one of the league's worst defenders."
Was it his 6 rebounds or 5 assists per game?
Is it your argument that Toni Kukoc's 10/6/5 line coming off the bench is the explanation for why the Bulls only lost two more games from the previous season? |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:58 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford You keep making dumber and more dishonest arguments as this subthread gets longer, wearing my patience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141191) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:59 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre please explain it for me then. I haven't seen you actually refute anything I've said yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141194) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford Date: May 28th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: "'"'
Who filled in for Jordan and where did they move the money they saved? Who would fill in for Lebron? What would they use the money on? Fuck yes they would be in the playoffs you fucking retard
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36140982) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:15 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre Who filled in for Jordan: The biggest changes to the bulls' roster were Kukoc and Pete Meyers. Does that make up for Jordan? Remember, they only lost two more games from the previous season.
Who fills in for Lebron: in this scenario, likely not much at all consider the Cavs' luxury tax bill. They're $36 million over the cap and Lebron's salary is $33 million. They would most likely just opt for a complete rebuild if Lebron left and dump salary, but if for some retarded reason they tried to sign a free agent this summer. Their options would be: http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/
You could throw $15-20 million in salary at some free agents, but that's not a lot of buying power in today's NBA. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:26 PM Author: out-of-control forum digit ratio Kareem's career was greater than Jordan's.
As for Lebron - he has an argument, and there might not be any other argument when he retires. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: dead state ugh. this is a uniquely awful argument because it’s only interesting to people that don’t actually follow the nba very closely. which in turn leads to horrible arguments from each side.
the different points aren’t really worth reciting. the one thing that gets lost though: lebron plays in a 1000000000x better league than michael jordan faced. straight up. giannis or durant would seem like space aliens to the 1996 phoenix suns. john stockton couldn’t sniff steph curry or even donovan mitchell’s jockstrap if we’re being totally honest and unsentimental. and so on.
moreover the sport is far more taxing both mentally and physically. shittier basketball players made a living in jordan’s day throwing elbows, but now let’s see them constantly run out to contest threes, know how and when to switch pick and roll, and not sabatoge their team’s offense by lacking any shooting ability. if you watch tonight’s rockets warriors game, check out how much houston switches even before golden state initiates an action. houston anticipates golden states plays and switches in advance to prevent a mismatch. i’m sure dennis rodman and anthony mason would do great here
i know we’re supposed to compare historical players against the competition of their day in these arguments, but once you dispense with that bullshit, this argument becomes a joke.
lebron james during his 2012-13 campaign was better than anyone else that ever played the sport |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford Lmao steph curry couldn't sniff Mahmoud Abdul Rauf's jockstrap if he had to play in the 1990s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141090) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: dead state ok (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141093) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: Snowy trust fund https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/5/28/17401736/lebron-james-eastern-conference-playoff-opponents-2018 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141095) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:41 PM Author: internet-worthy galvanic turdskin twinkling uncleanness This is absolutely devastating to LeBron fans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141104) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: dead state presented without further comment: paul george demar derozan jeff hornacek dan marleje
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: internet-worthy galvanic turdskin twinkling uncleanness Also,
Patrick Ewing Karl Malone Al Horford Victor Olaidipo |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:00 PM Author: dead state i picked the guys defending each of jordan and lebron. but this is really a horrible game for you to play with me.
if we included prime ewing and prime malone in a redraft of every player in the nba, how high do you think they’d go? ahead of anthony davis? demarcus cousins? karl anthony towns? giannis? durant? (psst: the answer to each one is “fuck no” lol)
the fate of jahlil okafor is instructive here. just do be a lumbering oaf that scores on post ups and 10 footers isn’t really possible anymore |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford (DeMarcus Cousins) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141207) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:03 PM Author: dead state cousins was admittedly a reach. only because of his injury though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141213) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:09 PM Author: Clear drunken cruise ship Ewing is pretty cr. Malone is insanely overrated IMO. Watch his highlight reel. It's mostly him finishing uncontested at the rim off a perfect pass from stockton. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141241) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: dead state i remember him well as a long suffering knicks fan tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141255) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: Snowy trust fund That's ridiculous. There's a reason Malone could get so many uncontested dunks, which is that he was athletic as fuck. He was also a tremendous offensive rebounder and an insanely underrated passer for a big man. Lol at thinking you could just replace him with anyone and have Stockton successfully run the same pick and roll. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141283) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 9:56 PM Author: Clear drunken cruise ship i think my post was hyperbole. im not suggesting that malone was an average pf or anything. He's one of the best at his position though i think he would struggle in today's nba. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36142398) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: cordovan twisted fanboi Right, none of the players from the 1990s would have benefited from the advancements in diet, training and (likely) PEDs that current players do. They would just all stay at their same level of talent.
Similarly, if coaches better understood the value of the three-pointer back in the day, none of those players would have incorporated that shot into their game to a greater degree. They would still all be limited to taking mostly mid-range 18 footers.
I agree if you make those retarded assumptions LBJ might have something approaching a case that he was better than Jordan.
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:46 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141128) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:48 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza I hate this argument because no one ever makes the reverse argument in defense of modern NBA players.
Would Steph Curry suddenly become a better on ball defender were he playing in 1990? Would he withstand physical contact better?
Would Anthony Davis have become an All-NBA team caliber post player?
But apparently every player from that time period would have began shooting 2018 league average from deep. It's a ridiculous. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:53 PM Author: cordovan twisted fanboi You realize league average 3P% was much lower in the 90's right? Jordan shot 32.7% from deep for his career. I'm not going to bother weighting his attempts by season, but looking at the graph below he was pretty clearly right around, if not possibly above, the average 3 point shooter for his career.
https://www.besttickets.com/blog/nba-shooting/
Edit: Jordan was also a significantly better FT shooter than LeBron, which further demonstrates superior pure shooting ability. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Yes. The NBA, on the whole, has gotten better at 3 point shooting as league wide trends dictate scouts and coaches find players who are better at it. Which is the point. Players are just better shooters now the same way that modern QBs are better passers now.
This is why there are no truly great low post players anymore, and no one is inane enough to argue that all it would take is practice to make them so. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: dead state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141209) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: cordovan twisted fanboi Yes, it's all just selection. None of it has to do with offensive schemes designed to get shooters better, more open looks in today's game.
Adjusting for era, LeBron is likely the worse 3-pt shooter and undoubtedly the far worse free-throw shooter. Keep telling yourself Jordan just couldn't have possibly developed a better 3-point shot when we consistently see guys who come into the league w/little to no perimeter game (Kawhi Leonard) make themselves into reasonable or even good 3-point shooters in the matter of one or two summers. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: dead state kawhi is a strong outlier. sooo many athletic wings fail to reach their potential (eg derozan, rudy gay) because they never develop 3 point range. it’s not a given jordan could teach himself to extend his range beyond the least efficient shot in basketball.
also i don’t understand how your adjusting for eras in terms of their shooting percentage. lebron is out here competing in a league a million times better than mj faced. i’m sure lebron would be far less fatigued if he had craig ehlo instead of kawhi guarding him
also lebron shot 40%+ from 3 in 2012-13. the one season he focused on efficiency, his percentages were incredibly high.
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:15 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza His arguments make zero sense. teams didn't even DEFEND 3 point shots in any consistent manner when Jordan was playing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141257) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:15 PM Author: dead state and the three point line was shorter back then too lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141258) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: cordovan twisted fanboi So if only Craig Ehlo defended shooting guards in the 90s, wouldn't that be reflected in the leaguewide 3p%? Weird how LeBron's is still no better than average for his era.
Also, since teams apparently didn't even defend the 3PT shot in the 90s, why isn't the league 3 pt rate higher? It's almost like these factors are baked into the numbers and somehow, LeBron is still no better than average.
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:22 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza "Also, since apparently didn't even defend the 3PT shot in the 90s, why isn't the league 3 pt rate higher? "
What are you trying to ask? |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Adjusting for era Lebron is a better post player than Jordan.
Do you think Lebron would have been an above average post player back in the 90's? Do you think he'd have been even better around the rim? |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: effete irradiated dopamine private investor Ljl @ all the squabbling over a 6’ 8” GC contrivance designed to sell sneakers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141230) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:15 PM Author: dead state jordan was only 6’6 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141256) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:19 PM Author: Magenta razzmatazz library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141266) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:47 PM Author: Ruby Pisswyrm French Chef Hypo:
Rockets get lucky and beat the Warriors tonight (without Paul).
Paul is out the entire Finals due to injury. Cleveland wins the championship with LeBron playing at a similar level as he has throughout the playoffs.
What does that do for his legacy?
Btw I think this could happen. CLE matches up well with Houston (compared to the Warriors) and without Paul I think LeBron could win. |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:48 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre depends on how Harden plays in the finals, but LeBron haters would refuse to give him any credit for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141393) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:48 PM Author: Bright Curious Den Legal Warrant If this happens MJ might as well grow a mustache (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141395) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 5:49 PM Author: Duck-like Haunted Graveyard Theatre *hitler mustache (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36141399) |
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Date: May 28th, 2018 9:59 PM Author: Lilac dog poop Lebron is so clearly the GOAT it can only be resolved by putting him on the 1990s bulls teams and seeing if they don't win 6. Lebron haters are completely irrational. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36142407) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 6:48 AM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting halford Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36211980) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 6:49 AM Author: magical property warmachine more blown out than his junkie sister's veins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36211981) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:11 AM Author: maniacal mint native party of the first part 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36212278) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:50 AM Author: Histrionic High-end Crotch Location War Machine literally the dumbest poster here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36212343) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:32 AM Author: Histrionic High-end Crotch Location war machine? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36212655) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:35 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Yes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36212669) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Do people think Jordan would have beat the Warriors with the current Cavs roster? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#36212673) |
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Date: May 31st, 2019 11:56 AM Author: vigorous bisexual plaza Just read through this year old thread, 180 debate all around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3988000&forum_id=2#38319206) |