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If you had to choose an area of transactional biglaw today, which would it be?
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:06 AM Author: excitant national security agency Suppose you're a summer right now working at a firm that runs the gamut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36151235) |
Date: May 30th, 2018 11:07 AM Author: Cruel-hearted Titillating Round Eye Ticket Booth Antitrust (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36151244) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: excitant national security agency Is that transactional? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36151268) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: blathering trailer park weed whacker Yes and no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152167) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: excitant national security agency What’s the typical work product in antitrust transactional practice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152171) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Charcoal Bull Headed Stead HSR approval-getting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152175) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: blathering trailer park weed whacker Document review. But if you’re an antitrust baller you can cop government gigs or even GC for highly regulated industries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152184) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: razzle-dazzle new version lol turd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153568) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 5:29 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Titillating Round Eye Ticket Booth The inhouse bros at my inhouse company seem to be really well respected and they don't work a lot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36154166) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: flesh flirting location Bankruptcy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36151247) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 1:56 AM Author: erotic filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156970) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:18 AM Author: turquoise background story NOT M&A (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36151322) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: excitant national security agency Explain. Isn’t that best for Inhouse ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36151862) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: blathering trailer park weed whacker I remember a biglaw partner once explaining TO THE ASSOCIATES that the model needs things that SCALE like M&A and litigation, i.e., require the most fungible billing units. But if you’re the one ERISA guy you don’t scale and they always need an ERISA guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152180) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Adventurous talking institution juggernaut startup/vc licensing/tech trans tax if you can stomach it |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: azure macaca cr list, also in order of most- to least-palatable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153198) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: vigorous arrogant base Dealing with startups sounds horrible.
I imagine it's pumping out form documents for some of the most obnoxious, cost-conscious clients in existence. |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: excitant national security agency Yeah but if you can work for a client and get equity it's worth it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153813) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 1:56 AM Author: erotic filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156975) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:11 PM Author: Charcoal Bull Headed Stead if i had to biglaw all over again, id choose tax or trusts/estates. i would not choose corporate and any of its subgroups. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152117) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:12 PM Author: domesticated tank capital markets. Would do it for a year and lateral to banking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152128) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: excitant national security agency (Jjc) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152163) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: domesticated tank (loser) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152182) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: Burgundy Famous Landscape Painting Reading Party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152416) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: blathering trailer park weed whacker Bankruptcy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152196) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: excitant national security agency Lol no. The fire drills of M&A with the exit options of lit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152224) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: sexy love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153419) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:10 PM Author: Doobsian Sneaky Criminal Digit Ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153574) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:37 PM Author: bateful indigo toaster Tech transactions or fund formation. Also 40 act work if you work at a firm that has it.
This is if you want to maximize $$ for in house options.
M&a useless, cap markets useless, whoever said antitrust above just lol. |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: excitant national security agency I’ve done some fund formation work and it’s god awful. Might be the gayest practice area in biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152357) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:03 PM Author: bateful indigo toaster All biglaw work is godawful, just a matter of degree. Fund formation is dry but not as bad hours and easy to understand once you’ve done a few. Master feeders aren’t that complicated. Gotta make sacrifices if you want the best exit options coming out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153500) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: excitant national security agency Yeah but there’s something about funds work that attracts women and gays (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153648) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:58 PM Author: bateful indigo toaster Better lifestyle is not a bad thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153929) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 5:00 PM Author: excitant national security agency Can u post in my other thread
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983888&mc=26&forum_id=2 |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 1:51 AM Author: aromatic mood having done both fund formation and m&a, I will tell you that funds work is a best of times/worst of times practice.
At its best, you do get a shitload of negotiation experience because you have a million LP's in the mix. The stuff may seem rote but drafting wise, it isn't that different from m&a - some novel stuff does pop up and you have to be crafty. You also really get to know the client well because they may shop around and use a variety of firms for deals but typically just one firm for the funds work.
At its worst though it can be really bad. A lot of it is organization dependent and can really be the opposite of "lifestyle" when three or four fundraisers are hitting at the same time. The subscription book/investor chasing process is worse than due diligence but you can escape it relatively quickly.
It is probably as close as one can get to really being an old school corporate lawyer that gets to advise on a variety of shit because employment issues pop up a lot, IP issues pop up and plenty of regulatory issues pop up and you kind of need to be able to speak to all of it (specialists come in plenty but mainly tax). It's also sometimes paper pushing heavy par excellence which can be very crushing.
M&A seems sexier but really isn't terribly different. Still working off forms and precedent, but the negotiations are more combative because folks can give on things more and funds stuff gets pretty static after not too long. First time funds are the most enjoyable. Beig on the LP side sucks.
My v5 had rotations so you could do a little of each which is how it used to be a decade ago and is probably the most enjoyable way to do it. I guess m&a can crush weekends and holidays but fundraises certainly have the power to do the same. There are a handful of firms that do both well and that's the best spot to be in, I think. |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:50 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Titillating Round Eye Ticket Booth Lots of low level tech transactions attorneys at inhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152394) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: bateful indigo toaster Low level in house is a lot better than zero exit options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153511) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: odious travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156602) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 12:40 AM Author: excitant national security agency Good to get confirmation of Nutella’s post from a low level Inhouse Guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156805) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:34 AM Author: odious travel guidebook *tips hat*
Seriously, it gets much worse than this. |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: domesticated tank Lots of good $400-600k options for slavecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152409) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: carnelian zippy rigpig dog poop quick suicide (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152421) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: soul-stirring violent indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152538) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: contagious yarmulke station Dear god just not finance.
I’d go M&A or 40 act. Fund formation is a good area but a little killself inducing (all of big law is that, though) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: excitant national security agency Reviewing side letter requests, updating ppms for Fund VII, it’s all super gay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152525) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: contagious yarmulke station Only thing good about tranny stuff are the exit options imho. The only thing good about litigation is the scholarship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152533) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: excitant national security agency Aren’t you in fedgov? At least litbros have a better chance at going fedgov (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152573) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: contagious yarmulke station I am in fedgov.
There are more openings for litmos in big fed but probably less opportunity? Like virtually all litmos in biglaw want bigfed (or get pushed out and need it) while trannies have better private sector options so it seems like there is less competition for the smaller number of tranny openings. |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: excitant national security agency You were in finance right. Did any of your finance experience transfer over to your fed job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152618) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: contagious yarmulke station Not a pure finance but worked with them a lot.
There is some shit that transfers over - disclaimers, knowing how certain terms should work, autistic margins kind of shit, but like 80% of what I do has nothing to do with my former life in biglaw. |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:34 PM Author: excitant national security agency 180 brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152690) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: Charcoal Bull Headed Stead fund formation is particularly bitchmade even for law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152626) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: fragrant school cafeteria gay wizard is "transactional" anything that's not litigation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36152941) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 9:23 PM Author: Hilarious halford chad also not real estate...mostly has to do with deals, financing...collateral for large purchases etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36155570) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:44 AM Author: Carmine razzle lay How is real estate not transactional? Ever heard of the art of the deal? Do you actually mean corporate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36158117) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: elite spectacular market gaming laptop Tax (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153028) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 3:13 PM Author: excitant national security agency Now assume you don’t want to be an incel forever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153040) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: Charcoal Bull Headed Stead you're clearly a naive law student if you think this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153096) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 3:22 PM Author: Stirring insane stage preventive strike something regulatory like healthcare so you can go in-house ASAP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153108) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 3:57 PM Author: sexy love of her life tech transactions, ip trans type shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153436) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Titillating Round Eye Ticket Booth It's not as glamorous as you think (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153460) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:11 PM Author: Doobsian Sneaky Criminal Digit Ratio seems like there are decent in house options for that type of work though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153583) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: Charcoal Bull Headed Stead for low-level corporate counsel shit yeah -- most companies these days have thousands upon thousands of software license agreements, TOUs, privacy policies, etc from vendors to review. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153617) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: sexy love of her life oh i never said it was, but best combination of a tolerable life and an inhouse job which are really the only 2 considerations for sane people going into biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153779) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Doobsian Sneaky Criminal Digit Ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153793) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: azure macaca Does it exist outside of SV? I wasn't really aware of it before moving here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153804) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:10 PM Author: Adventurous talking institution juggernaut yes. every company needs contracts/licensing of some sort done (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156341) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:23 PM Author: Swashbuckling mewling heaven Yeah. But you won't make more than like 150 at most places (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156436) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:18 AM Author: aromatic mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36157962) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: Angry rebellious dysfunction been tranny all my life, never heard of "tech transactions" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153566) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: azure macaca License agreements and tech-heavy M&A. Good for in-house, particularly in SV. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153772) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: excitant national security agency What are usually the key deal points in a license agreement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153782) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: azure macaca Not my area of expertise, thankfully. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153800) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Titillating Round Eye Ticket Booth License rights/restrictions, IP, data privacy, information security (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153823) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:25 PM Author: Swashbuckling mewling heaven Generally indemnification stuff, limitation of liability, compliance type shit, business continuity plans, privacy stuff and confidentiality, access rights for third parties, publicity. All kinds of stuff. Just depends on the type of IP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156448) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: sexy love of her life ntellectual property portfolios, strategic sourcing, cloud computing, IT infrastructure, data protection, and cybersecurity
boring shit but at least you build a "niche" that is likely to keep you employed and somewhat desirable which in turn lets you go through cycles of slacking off and bouncing to another job.
this is all that we can ask for in this sps world |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:31 PM Author: slimy hateful business firm incel Also satisfaction of ensuring enterprises secure cloud based solutions that scale with their needs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156505) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:57 PM Author: bateful indigo toaster They often advise the core practice groups like M&A and bankruptcy on all IP/tech aspects of any deal. Works very much like tax or ERISA/labor groups in that way. Increasingly there is a separate sub group that focuses solely on data privacy and info security. Lots of lawyers in house needed in those areas as companies have entire teams dedicated to implementing GDPR or whatever latest legislation is rolling out. Hours are not as bad as the core corporate groups. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153921) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 5:44 PM Author: Adventurous talking institution juggernaut (not a tech guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36154254) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 12:42 AM Author: odious travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156807) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: vigorous arrogant base Space procurement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153797) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:25 AM Author: comical transparent philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36157989) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 4:59 PM Author: beta step-uncle's house Pretty sure XO consensus is that 144A is only cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153939) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: big-titted really tough guy plaza Aviation finance - nice and routine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36153983) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 9:15 PM Author: hairraiser sanctuary Tech transactions and whatever gets you generic “negotiating/drafting” experience that most in-house jobs want. I imagine some VC/Emerging practices are like this if you’re just doing a little of everything for a company.
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:12 PM Author: comical transparent philosopher-king Rap Law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156348) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:17 PM Author: Swashbuckling mewling heaven Do something with formations and corporate governance/securities. General commercial tranny shit is so easy to pickup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156390) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 11:45 PM Author: odious travel guidebook Of the common shit, definitely tech trans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156598) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 1:57 AM Author: erotic filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36156977) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 1:59 AM Author: aromatic mood I think tax and real estate seem terrible if you want the other end of the spectrum.
Tax doesn't actually run anything. RE has a slew of just inane shit. |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:39 AM Author: frum area Why would you want to run anything? Us Tax bros just advise on your issues on conference calls and maybe in an email or some redlines or two and then go home. None of the responsibility (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36158091) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 1:21 PM Author: excitant national security agency Alpha males want to quarterback the deal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36159065) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2018 11:16 AM Author: appetizing gunner ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3989684&forum_id=2#36175546) |