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Date: May 31st, 2018 9:47 PM Author: costumed antidepressant drug roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162072) |
Date: May 31st, 2018 9:50 PM Author: Territorial Lavender Sanctuary why? why do we *need* Japanese cars? why do we *need* to trade higher-wages/jobs for cheap chinese-manufactured trinkets? what is gained? it seems like a wash, at best we have the best people, we make the best stuff, we innovate. if we pull up the drawbridge and rely on ourselves, we'll be fine. it's the rest of the world that is fucked, without us. |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 9:55 PM Author: french trailer park 1. American cars suck 2. Your wages won't go up just because cheap plastic crap now costs 2x as much. 3. We are at full employment. Who will take these imaginary new jobs?
All tariffs do is create inflation. It's a tax. |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:12 PM Author: Territorial Lavender Sanctuary 1. no they don't. and American car manufacturing is constrained by other factors. if tomorrow, high-end european cars were outlawed in the US, a market for a superior American-made alternative would lead to its development.
2. uh, what? the entire incentive for moving industry overseas was dirt-cheap labor. when it was American-based, wages were high.
3. people who would prefer having a good job, over driving part-time for Lyft. |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 4:27 PM Author: big masturbator lodge Is there any shred of a reason to believe that reducing auto competition would lead to increased innovation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36167291) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 3:15 PM Author: Provocative tanning salon weed whacker "American cars suck" lol yes American society would cease to function if people had to drive fords. You fucking retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36166615) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 3:15 PM Author: copper bateful theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36166618) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 3:18 PM Author: big masturbator lodge Why would you ever use the word "need" in this context?
That's TTT retard thinking.
"Look at me! I can shift the ground at will, play No True Scotsman, and either ignore preferences, in general, or smuggle in mine own while denying yours without justification!" |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 3:37 PM Author: Territorial Lavender Sanctuary no, it's not at all, you fucking imbecile. oh wow, you made some retarded, faggoty, nitpicking criticism about my use of the word 'need' which is interchangeable in this context with 'want' or 'desire', etc. NOW YOU'RE THINKING LIKE A LAWYER. the point is pretty obvious: 'what is gained?' |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 4:22 PM Author: big masturbator lodge Satisfaction of preferences and desires. Pretty simple.
And your response is, "I don't care about what other people like."
Deep conversation, man. |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Territorial Lavender Sanctuary i'm not sure if this is serious. preferences for what? the question at hand is: 'Do people actually DESIRE/WANT/BADLY REQUIRE having access to shitty, poorly-made Chinese vacuum cleaners, etc, given the COSTS that attend having these things: living in a deindustrialized, incoherent 'gig economy' of open-borders migration and trasnational globcap cosmopolitanism?' i don't think so. niche preferences for things like imported 'cuban cigars' and german stereos or something can be satisfied without wholesale no-limits Globalisation of our economy. |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 8:01 PM Author: big masturbator lodge Yes, people want Camrys more than Fusions.
"'Do people actually DESIRE/WANT/BADLY REQUIRE having access to shitty, poorly-made Chinese vacuum cleaners, etc,"
They're purchasing them in the face of alternatives. "Yes" is a stronger conclusion than "no." |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 9:52 PM Author: french trailer park Except when it's in the service of Israel and Holy Mother Russia, sure. For you Yankee pigs it's a terrible, terrible idea. Now build your cars in Russia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162103) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:20 PM Author: duck-like location toaster Jesus just stfu. You’re worse than that retard nyuug. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162283) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:38 PM Author: cerebral wild indirect expression idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162418) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 8:05 AM Author: saffron passionate set turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36163954) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:21 PM Author: Exhilarant space I love this Russian fuck, ARE Reptile did you collude with Trump?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162293) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:54 PM Author: Seedy drab boiling water He made this poast about how he hates Trump and Americans when some vodka niggers got minced in Syria. His mascara was running. It was hilarious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162541) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 11:06 PM Author: cerebral wild indirect expression idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162627) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:48 PM Author: frisky mediation He hates Russia and Russians and his entire schtick is flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165405) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:49 PM Author: Carmine cracking gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165408) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 9:54 PM Author: Disturbing irradiated headpube in the longer term we do need to address issues caused by automation, even with extensive protectionism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162111) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 9:57 PM Author: french trailer park There is no imperial evidence that automation has destroyed any factory jobs in thirty years. CNC machines today are basically identical to CNC machines in 1989 and to the extent they have improved it's not the controllers but more advanced gearing and powerout in their motors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162123) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:40 PM Author: cerebral wild indirect expression idea he suggested no one here respects you or cares about anything you say (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162439) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 9:58 PM Author: ruddy fanboi ****cue boner police's white trash alts to say "it's prore"**** (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162127) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 9:59 PM Author: trip gaping codepig bro, don't you want to pay 15% less for your shitty knickknacks?? just offshore your entire nation's manufacturing base to the China! It's a win-win! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162134) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:18 PM Author: Exhilarant space I'm all for improving deals, there's no question some of them should probably be renegotiated.
But what's the point of protectionism?
The bottom line is the genie of the global economy is never going back in the bottle. People also like to buy a lot of cheap stuff. They don't want prices to go up, and outsourcing keeps costs low.
Interestingly, manufacturing is still tremendous in the US and was coming back to us in many ways as the cost effectiveness and returns in terms of money in quality were narrowing, so why not just make it at home?
Finally, automation is going to decimate more jobs than outsourcing ever did. Get ready for that problem - it's going to put way more people out of work. It's only a matter of time until your uber drives itself. Hell, even an anesthesiologist can be replaced by a robot that monitors vitals and regulates the anesthesia accordingly. |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:19 PM Author: maize coffee pot piazza stop being smart (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162267) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:22 PM Author: Exhilarant space I never started. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162308) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:20 PM Author: Glittery hideous business firm cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162280) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:21 PM Author: Territorial Lavender Sanctuary ITT: a bunch of jews and foreigners telling you "THAT SHIP HAS SAILED!" fuck off and die |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:25 PM Author: Exhilarant space Ok President Pumo, you're going to go tit for tat with every other major economy and compel/punish every business attempting to be competitive in a global marketplace?
Maybe if less of our people weren't fat, retarded and on drugs we could make more stuff here. Do you know a lot of jobs go unfilled because employers can't find people that pass drug tests?
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:33 PM Author: Territorial Lavender Sanctuary this is retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162387) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:37 PM Author: Exhilarant space non-responsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162409) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:41 PM Author: cerebral wild indirect expression idea he suggested Fyi you're engaging with notorious retard upset jew tp http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917342&forum_id=2#35604093 |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:43 PM Author: Exhilarant space your shtick and obsession with me is so bizarre and pointless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162467) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:44 PM Author: cerebral wild indirect expression idea he suggested (recoils as he is exposed) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162470) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:44 PM Author: Exhilarant space No, recoiling is what females do around you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162478) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:48 PM Author: cerebral wild indirect expression idea he suggested couldn't hear u through the mouthful of infant foreskins. females aren't interested in u and that's why you fuck men? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162500) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:52 PM Author: Exhilarant space you are a strange person (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162523) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:49 PM Author: cerebral wild indirect expression idea he suggested http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917342&forum_id=2#35604093 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162501) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:34 PM Author: maize coffee pot piazza fat poors, if they are white, have a right to stay in loserville, ARE Cuntry, use drugs, and collect welfare. making them leave their communities to go get jobs in unamerkan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162396) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:50 PM Author: frisky mediation You absolutely slaughtered that strawman! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165418) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 3:20 PM Author: Provocative tanning salon weed whacker What the fuck are you talking about You're implying we need cheap foreign labor to fill our manufacturing niches because prole whites won't do it, I get it. Maybe just MAYBE you've twisted causality. These people would be working if they weren't replaced in the first place. Maybe we have a duty to support American labor, even if less efficient, because we're a fucking nation? |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 4:30 PM Author: frisky mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36167311) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:46 PM Author: fuchsia faggot firefighter background story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162487) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:49 PM Author: Carmine cracking gay wizard every time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165407) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 1:31 PM Author: copper bateful theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165781) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:28 PM Author: arrogant outnumbered sound barrier No it's not. Other countries don't let us walk all over them the way Obama let them walk all over us. Nobody gives a fuck about a slight increase in consumer goods. They care about the fact that America has been completely deatroyed over the past fifteen years to prop up asset prices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162346) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:32 PM Author: Exhilarant space They don't? Many, many people would be affected and concerned if the price of goods went up even a few dollars. Not everyone is rich like you. Many studies confirm the majority of the U.S. population is paycheck to paycheck living + little to actually zero savings.
Let's say you bring back X amount of jobs anyway. What's your plan to stop automation? Are you going to outlaw AI? That will be the challenge of the 21st Century (side note: we're losing that battle to China, as well) But we are on the brink of the majority of *jobs* being eliminated by 2050. What will happen when work is rendered useless? What do useless people do? Beats me. |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:43 PM Author: cerebral wild indirect expression idea he suggested Reminder: this is board idiot upset jew tp http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917342&forum_id=2#35604093 |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:52 PM Author: Chest-beating infuriating locus feces 1. You try to delay the inevitable as long as possible, and that's why protectionism is good.
2. By the time most jobs are eliminated (I am extremely pessimistic about the future), I think there will be 24/7 VR immersion type things like the Matrix that the vast majority of people will be plugged into. And this is probably the best case scenario. |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 11:10 PM Author: arrogant outnumbered sound barrier Jfc you have to go back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162660) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 11:12 PM Author: cerebral wild indirect expression idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162671) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 11:25 PM Author: Exhilarant space Where? New Jersey? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162752) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 10:42 PM Author: fuchsia faggot firefighter background story prole is good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162459) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 11:17 PM Author: Razzle hall giraffe Proles deserve the prole pole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162698) |
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Date: May 31st, 2018 11:07 PM Author: Ungodly Light Point titcop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36162635) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:48 PM Author: frisky mediation A lot of you guys are thinking about this wrong. Trump isn't trying to "enact protectionism." He is trying to stop a setup where China, Europe, etc. can, through a variety of methods, enact protectionism against US companies and goods, while the US does jack shit. So he uses protectionism to get to a fair position where the country doesn't end up fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165401) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 3:32 PM Author: big masturbator lodge Doesn't explain why he's cranky about German cars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36166760) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:52 PM Author: salmon very tactful degenerate kitty If we were a logical reasoning society we would focus on eliminating work and employing automation, which is the whole point of technology. Instead we are a retarded feminine society that thinks “saving jobs” and “creating jobs” is a good thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165430) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:54 PM Author: frisky mediation If you think people sitting unemployed is a good thing, then you're not paying attention. Truthfully, the solution is cutting hours/increasing vacation so that the amount of human labor decreases, but everyone has a job, and therefore a sense of purpose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165446) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:56 PM Author: indecent locale Yes, and introducing some limits on population growth. Tax child birth beyond 2, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165463) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:58 PM Author: frisky mediation Taxing children beyond 2 would be a terrible idea because poors that suck don't pay taxes anyway. So the only people that would pay attention is the UMC which you actually want to have more kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165481) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:57 PM Author: salmon very tactful degenerate kitty I don’t care. Keeping people artificially employed is ridiculous on its face and I will never support it for any reason. Maybe if we stopped producing sinecures and handing out government assistance, the unemployed would reconsider their tendencies to breed like locusts and our population would be thinned out and actually manageable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165471) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:59 PM Author: frisky mediation You should care because unemployed people have a lot of time to cause mischief (and breed like rabbits). See welfare rats in Europe, where everything is provided and they're still unhappy and riot all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165493) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:58 PM Author: Territorial Lavender Sanctuary this is an argument i have been sympathetic to. but then i think about how this would actually play out. what are 100 million 100-IQ working people going to do all day with unlimited paid leisure time? we'll probably have to create some kind of artificial 'meaningful activity' with which to occupy them, which would end up looking very much like the artificially protected 'jobs' we saved them from in the first place. so, perhaps we might as well keep the artificial 'work economy' in place, as a socializing mechanism. |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 1:01 PM Author: frisky mediation tcr. And a lot of those activities will actually be destructive. They will become "activists". They will join protests and riots. All of this will give them a sense of purpose and accomplishment, as work does, but creates massive externalities for the rest of society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165507) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 1:30 PM Author: indecent locale What advocates of “eliminating work” or “universal income” don’t understand is that, without work, society would have no purpose for most people. Why would you allow people to reproduce without limit, just to sit around and consume resources. People would have to be sterilized I’d they refuse to work and can’t contribute to the culture. LOL if you think the most powerful people in the world will design a system that lets useless neck beards sit around talking about dungeons and dragons and drinking craft beers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165766) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 1:35 PM Author: indecent locale https://danielmiessler.com/blog/universal-income-population-control-inexorably-tied/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165822) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 2:14 PM Author: salmon very tactful degenerate kitty "Why would you allow people to reproduce without limit, just to sit around and consume resources."
Er what? In my ideal society there would be very harsh restrictions on reproduction, if it was even allowed at all. Society ALREADY has no purpose, we are just kidding ourselves day in and day out. Might as well own up to it and filter out the manufactured absurdities that have been controlling our life trajectories for too long now. |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Claret comical sneaky criminal I agree with you. But most people who support universal income support it because they think that capitalism doesn’t “appropriately value” their shitty skills of being experts on japanese anime, collecting POGs, basketweaving, studying the curative powers of açaí berry juice and rare earth crystals, etc. They are wrong, capitalism correctly judges those activities to have little or no value. But what the supporters want is unlimited license to sit around, pursue their stupid hobbies which they think create “value,” and breed like rabbits to produce more useless eaters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36166324) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 3:30 PM Author: Provocative tanning salon weed whacker Lol at thinking NEETs thinking their anime expertise isn't appropriately valued. You're making shit up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36166747) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 4:12 PM Author: indecent locale https://danielmiessler.com/blog/universal-income-population-control-inexorably-tied/
This is the idea of eliminating all or most of the need for someone to struggle to survive, thus giving them time to ***dedicate to higher-level efforts like art, science, etc.*** .. If we have some mixes we get a new economy based on ***new value***, and life is good. |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 4:15 PM Author: Provocative tanning salon weed whacker I don't know who that person is and I don't care about the strawman both of you make (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36167186) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 4:21 PM Author: indecent locale If the purpose of universal income and eliminating work isn’t to allow “higher pursuits,” then what is the purpose? To allow humans to live like cows, grazing on grass? We’d be better off going extinct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36167244) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 3:33 PM Author: big masturbator lodge How do you propose to get the owners of capital to share their profits? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36166774) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:55 PM Author: indecent locale There is no point to free trade if we have a population of 300 million. It will lead to most Americans being as poor as most Indians or Bangladeshis, and to the US being forced to import millions of illegals who are willing to work at dirt cheap wages. If we want to do a one-child policy and cap population growth, theb sure we can have a sparcely populated nation full of wealthy technocrats and natural resource owners. But as it stands, we should use protectionism to protect our SOCIETY. It’s not about getting the cheapest iPads humanly possible, it’s about allowing most Americans to have a decent wage so that they can raise a family and so that we don’t have to import millions of faceless immigrants who will destroy our culture through backwards tribalism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165456) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:56 PM Author: frisky mediation "If we want to do a one-child policy and cap population growth, theb sure we can have a sparcely populated nation full of wealthy technocrats and natural resource owners"
Even then, you would need a two-tier structure where they all employ a bunch of non-citizens like they do in Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, etc. |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 1:27 PM Author: indecent locale Not necessarily. You could do automation plus a skeleton crew of nicely-paid workers to mine natural resources, farm, etc. And the tech industries don’t require massive amounts of labor, so you don’t need tons of workers there either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36165743) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Razzmatazz national associate What's wrong with leveraging access to our rich market? Also, there already is a trade war we just weren't doing shit about it before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3990978&forum_id=2#36167171) |
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