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POTUS Trump: I have the absolute right to PARDON myself

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/10036162109221478...
Translucent kitty cat
  06/04/18
Lmao he is going to die in Leavenworth
cobalt very tactful brunch
  06/04/18
at least his sons will know exactly where he is at all times
Fantasy-prone codepig hall
  06/04/18
Underrated
Bossy new version
  06/04/18
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Balding orchestra pit police squad
  06/04/18
(Addidon)
arousing heaven alpha
  06/04/18
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Motley lilac home
  06/05/18
Absolutely devastating.
violent abode mexican
  06/05/18
Haha wow holy shit
burgundy organic girlfriend station
  06/05/18
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Fear-inspiring forum becky
  06/05/18
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Sadistic aromatic stag film headpube
  06/07/18
God Willing
arousing heaven alpha
  06/04/18
Do you ever miss your dad?
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  06/04/18
Will this be for saying pussy or calling ms-13 animals?
seedy locus boiling water
  06/05/18
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cobalt very tactful brunch
  06/04/18
The legal analysts who came to this conclusion should be dis...
Disrespectful Rose Reading Party
  06/04/18
lib here but i don't think this is necessarily wrong. the co...
Thriller kitchen masturbator
  06/04/18
No. I agree that, while it's never been litigated, the impea...
Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed
  06/05/18
"...and may even preclude impeachment, which is clearly...
Soggy messiness personal credit line
  06/05/18
What did "pardon" mean way back when? Limits ca...
Narrow-minded wrinkle legend
  06/05/18
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Abusive ruby set
  08/22/18
its pretty obvious that this WAS intended. If they wanted to...
Electric Ungodly Shitlib
  06/05/18
"may even preclude impeachment" Jfc dude.
Fear-inspiring forum becky
  06/05/18
Just Overton window the judge via gaslighting, hth.
Translucent kitty cat
  06/04/18
why doesn't the constitution specify impeachment, if he can'...
stirring liquid oxygen
  06/05/18
I'd need to read through whatever Federalist Papers, if any,...
cobalt very tactful brunch
  06/05/18
I wouldn't be so sure this GOP Congress would.
Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed
  06/05/18
Then they would get crushed in the next midterms and the nex...
cobalt very tactful brunch
  06/05/18
Lol you have far more trust in the american electorate than ...
Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed
  06/05/18
I have not forgotten about the last election. I am a Hillary...
cobalt very tactful brunch
  06/05/18
The key thing is that a pardon makes the offense unprosecuta...
Soggy messiness personal credit line
  06/05/18
How broadly can he phrase it? Just immunize himself entirely...
cobalt very tactful brunch
  06/05/18
look at the pardon Ford granted to Nixon: “a full, free, ...
Electric Ungodly Shitlib
  06/05/18
So its limited to his conduct in office? That is narrow as f...
cobalt very tactful brunch
  06/05/18
This is about the lowest iq reading of this that I could ima...
Electric Ungodly Shitlib
  06/05/18
(1) its limited to his time in office--which, for Trump, eli...
cobalt very tactful brunch
  06/07/18
just because Ford's pardon was limited to Nixon's time in of...
Electric Ungodly Shitlib
  06/07/18
“yes, i agree its academic, but trump still could pardon him...
cobalt very tactful brunch
  06/07/18
Did you go to law school?
White range
  06/07/18
of course, but that doesnt make the pardon ineffective
Electric Ungodly Shitlib
  06/05/18
Try it, for the lulz.
Narrow-minded wrinkle legend
  06/04/18
Wouldn't it be malpractice to not express the most extreme v...
Translucent kitty cat
  06/04/18
if trump is his own lawyer yes
Charismatic faggotry
  06/05/18
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arousing heaven alpha
  06/04/18
He's not wrong
Talented gay wizard people who are hurt
  06/04/18
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Talented gay wizard people who are hurt
  06/05/18
That's not clear to me. The word "pardon" virtuall...
Narrow-minded wrinkle legend
  06/05/18
that is just assuming your conclusion. like saying, the P...
180 crimson library skinny woman
  06/05/18
It's also in the same section and is right after the sentenc...
Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed
  06/05/18
The president doesn't have authority to tax himself. I wo...
Narrow-minded wrinkle legend
  06/05/18
So potus doesn’t pay taxes? If the IRS taxes him the he is t...
wonderful center
  06/05/18
no, the president doesn't have authority to tax anyone at al...
Elite Twinkling Uncleanness
  06/05/18
Right, and in this case, the President of the United States ...
hot galvanic trump supporter
  06/05/18
You seem to have a strange understanding of "another.&q...
Narrow-minded wrinkle legend
  06/07/18
Abundantly obvious from the plain text of the constitution (...
Disturbing Spot
  06/04/18
cr
stirring liquid oxygen
  06/05/18
Maybe because the founders didn't draft the constitution lik...
Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed
  06/05/18
half the founding father were biglawyers bro
House-broken corner
  06/05/18
...
Electric Ungodly Shitlib
  06/05/18
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1003762763624312832 ...
Translucent kitty cat
  06/04/18
he states this like its some novel legal strategy - this is ...
Coral gas station goyim
  06/05/18
Hold on, the Constitution enumerates a single exception to t...
180 crimson library skinny woman
  06/05/18
Arguably the founders didn't bother writing anything about i...
Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed
  06/05/18
Or maybe the better reading of the Constitution is we don't ...
180 crimson library skinny woman
  06/05/18
correct
medicated background story theater stage
  06/05/18
Trump isn't being prosecuted while in office... The DOJ does...
Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed
  06/05/18
"The legislative branch is clearly utterly incapable of...
Translucent kitty cat
  06/05/18
The constitution also doesn't envision all these "rule ...
Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed
  06/05/18
TDS has broken Lib brains. CS’s arguments ITT are a perfect ...
burgundy organic girlfriend station
  06/05/18
Do you think he can be prosecuted after leaving office for c...
cobalt very tactful brunch
  06/05/18
jfc wlmas you’re obsessed
medicated background story theater stage
  06/05/18
are these supposed to be hard questions? bc they're not
Charismatic faggotry
  06/05/18
To him yes. AA is debilitating.
burgundy organic girlfriend station
  06/05/18
Remember when it looked like Hillary was going to win the el...
Maize national
  06/05/18
JFC!
Charismatic faggotry
  06/05/18
This is fucking scholarship and deserves more attention. Did...
violent abode mexican
  06/05/18
Conservatives on Twitter and reddit have been posting the me...
Maize national
  06/05/18
180
violent abode mexican
  06/05/18
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Claret volcanic crater
  06/05/18
What the fuck. Somebody needs to have Trump tweet these out...
Beady-eyed cream goal in life
  06/05/18
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Laughsome blue hospital regret
  06/05/18
fucking LOL
curious pistol
  06/05/18
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seedy locus boiling water
  06/05/18
You should be nominated for a Presidential Medal of Freedom
burgundy organic girlfriend station
  06/05/18
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big church newt
  06/05/18
In addition to her pardoning herself, the media suggested (b...
Maize national
  06/05/18
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violent abode mexican
  06/05/18
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burgundy organic girlfriend station
  06/05/18
ROFL
Electric Ungodly Shitlib
  06/05/18
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violent abode mexican
  06/05/18
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violent abode mexican
  06/06/18
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Sadistic aromatic stag film headpube
  06/07/18
libs?
burgundy organic girlfriend station
  06/07/18
I'm sure the founders just forgot to exclude the right to se...
Lavender bateful cuck laser beams
  06/05/18
are DC crimes considered federal law? Could Trump seriously...
Stubborn know-it-all indian lodge preventive strike
  06/05/18
God damn I hope he tests that
stirring liquid oxygen
  06/05/18
He might be impeached in that case. Probably not though beca...
pontificating vermilion main people locale
  06/05/18
Yeah, other than impeachment. I like how you're assuming ...
Fear-inspiring forum becky
  06/05/18
Im opposed to the Iraq invasion, but lol @ this poast
burgundy organic girlfriend station
  06/05/18
The president has a lot of power, he could do a lot of fucke...
Electric Ungodly Shitlib
  06/07/18
Lmao
cobalt very tactful brunch
  08/22/18


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Date: June 4th, 2018 8:36 AM
Author: Translucent kitty cat

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1003616210922147841

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36179911)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 8:37 AM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch

Lmao he is going to die in Leavenworth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36179915)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 8:38 AM
Author: Fantasy-prone codepig hall

at least his sons will know exactly where he is at all times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36179919)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 4:05 PM
Author: Bossy new version

Underrated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36182443)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:16 PM
Author: Balding orchestra pit police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36182951)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:44 PM
Author: arousing heaven alpha

(Addidon)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36183176)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:22 AM
Author: Motley lilac home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185607)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:21 AM
Author: violent abode mexican

Absolutely devastating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186195)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:54 AM
Author: burgundy organic girlfriend station

Haha wow holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186295)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:19 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring forum becky



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Date: June 7th, 2018 2:01 AM
Author: Sadistic aromatic stag film headpube



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:44 PM
Author: arousing heaven alpha

God Willing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36183175)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: doobsian scarlet address bbw

Do you ever miss your dad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36183253)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:41 AM
Author: seedy locus boiling water

Will this be for saying pussy or calling ms-13 animals?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186264)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 4:04 PM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36182436)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:15 PM
Author: Disrespectful Rose Reading Party

The legal analysts who came to this conclusion should be disbarred.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36182950)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:18 PM
Author: Thriller kitchen masturbator

lib here but i don't think this is necessarily wrong. the constitution is set up such that potus would not need to pardon self for anything he does in his capacity as chief executive. so while a potus would never actually pardon self, the idea is the same.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36182968)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed

No. I agree that, while it's never been litigated, the impeachment process likely preempts indicting a sitting president. Pardoning oneself, however, would at the very least preclude prosecution after the presidency, which clearly can't be intended, and may even preclude impeachment, which is clearly not intended.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185589)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:42 AM
Author: Soggy messiness personal credit line

"...and may even preclude impeachment, which is clearly not intended."

Uhhh: "The President shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

That's unlimited (yes, including offenses he himself has committed), except that he specifically CANNOT preclude impeachment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185649)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:52 AM
Author: Narrow-minded wrinkle legend

What did "pardon" mean way back when?

Limits can be found externally, but they can also be found in the word itself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185667)



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 7:04 AM
Author: Abusive ruby set



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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:50 AM
Author: Electric Ungodly Shitlib

its pretty obvious that this WAS intended. If they wanted to carve out something from the pardon power, they would have stated it in the constitution itself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185743)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:20 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring forum becky

"may even preclude impeachment"

Jfc dude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36187819)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:44 PM
Author: Translucent kitty cat

Just Overton window the judge via gaslighting, hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36183170)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:13 AM
Author: stirring liquid oxygen

why doesn't the constitution specify impeachment, if he can't pardon himself for anything?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185584)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:17 AM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch

I'd need to read through whatever Federalist Papers, if any, included a debate on this, but it's an academic issue because it would never reach SCOTUS; Congress would impeach and remove a president who tried to pardon himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185595)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:22 AM
Author: Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed

I wouldn't be so sure this GOP Congress would.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185604)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:25 AM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch

Then they would get crushed in the next midterms and the next Congress would impeach and remove

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185616)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:39 AM
Author: Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed

Lol you have far more trust in the american electorate than I do (and apparently have completely forgotten about the last election)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185641)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:48 AM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch

I have not forgotten about the last election. I am a Hillary-despising lib who voted for Gary Johnson and thought that HER was one of the only democrats who could lose to Trump. You were a big fan of HER, if I recall correctly, so I understand why you have retarded political instincts and think a POTUS could pardon himself and remain in office.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185659)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:43 AM
Author: Soggy messiness personal credit line

The key thing is that a pardon makes the offense unprosecutable after impeachment, too. It can't be taken back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185654)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 3:50 AM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch

How broadly can he phrase it? Just immunize himself entirely from criminal prosecution? Does he have to identify a specific crime he committed? Or just say "I hereby pardon myself for money laundering"? Can he pardon himself for crimes committed before he was POTUS?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185799)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 4:17 AM
Author: Electric Ungodly Shitlib

look at the pardon Ford granted to Nixon:

“a full, free, and absolute pardon . . .

for all offenses against the United States which he . . . has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the

period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.”

Looks like it can be broad as fuck hoss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185821)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:07 AM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch

So its limited to his conduct in office? That is narrow as fuck actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186164)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: Electric Ungodly Shitlib

This is about the lowest iq reading of this that I could imagine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186393)



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Date: June 7th, 2018 2:00 AM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch

(1) its limited to his time in office--which, for Trump, eliminates the possibility of liability for some fairly serious shit but leaves him open to prosecution for any of the financial crimes he (and his privately held Russian Laundromats posing as real estate holding corps) committed in the preceding 3 decades

(2) he has to be pardoned by a successor (if we're going by the Nixon example you are citing)

(3) the scope of any pardon isn't just limited temporally; the words the successor uses in the document effectuating the pardon will also determine the substantive reach of he pardon; and

(4) you agree (see upthread) that this is an academic debate because the compromised stooge would be impeached and removed if he tried to pardon himself.

Any of that incorrect?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36198807)



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Date: June 7th, 2018 6:53 AM
Author: Electric Ungodly Shitlib

just because Ford's pardon was limited to Nixon's time in office doesnt mean that he couldn't have extended it even further back. and the breadth of the pardon given suggests that it can be broad as fuck and not specify any specific crimes.

also, just because nixon was pardoned by a successor doesnt mean that one cannot self pardon. the arguments for self pardon expressed in this thread are very strong, and the attempts to create a restrcition on the pardon power out of this air are unconvincing.

youre either being wilfully obtuse or seriously have trouble with logic, idk which

yes, i agree its academic, but trump still could pardon himself on his last day in office, as im sure he wouldnt care about his political future at that point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36199201)



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Date: June 7th, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch

“yes, i agree its academic, but trump still could pardon himself on his last day in office, as im sure he wouldnt care about his political future at that point”

Lmfao. I guess prosecutors would just throw up their hands and courts would point to the “strong” arguments “in this thread” to decide this question that has literally never been litigated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36200011)



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Date: June 7th, 2018 2:53 AM
Author: White range

Did you go to law school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36198878)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:51 AM
Author: Electric Ungodly Shitlib

of course, but that doesnt make the pardon ineffective

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185745)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:17 PM
Author: Narrow-minded wrinkle legend

Try it, for the lulz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36182958)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:44 PM
Author: Translucent kitty cat

Wouldn't it be malpractice to not express the most extreme vision of presidential pardon imaginable?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36183168)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:57 AM
Author: Charismatic faggotry

if trump is his own lawyer yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185676)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:45 PM
Author: arousing heaven alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36183181)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:46 PM
Author: Talented gay wizard people who are hurt

He's not wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36183189)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:10 AM
Author: Talented gay wizard people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185580)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:17 AM
Author: Narrow-minded wrinkle legend

That's not clear to me. The word "pardon" virtually always refers to an act of forgiveness done for another's benefit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185594)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:30 AM
Author: 180 crimson library skinny woman

that is just assuming your conclusion.

like saying, the President has no authority to tax himself because taxation virtually always refers to taxing another person.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185626)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:37 AM
Author: Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed

It's also in the same section and is right after the sentence about getting advice from officers not himself....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185638)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:47 AM
Author: Narrow-minded wrinkle legend

The president doesn't have authority to tax himself.

I would likely decide this based on the meaning of "pardon" at the time of the Constitution.

You got a good link to an old legal dictionary?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185658)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:20 AM
Author: wonderful center

So potus doesn’t pay taxes? If the IRS taxes him the he is taxing himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186190)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:47 PM
Author: Elite Twinkling Uncleanness

no, the president doesn't have authority to tax anyone at all, that's the job of congress.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36187631)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: hot galvanic trump supporter

Right, and in this case, the President of the United States would pardon Donald J Trump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36187575)



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Date: June 7th, 2018 3:14 PM
Author: Narrow-minded wrinkle legend

You seem to have a strange understanding of "another."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36201706)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:59 PM
Author: Disturbing Spot

Abundantly obvious from the plain text of the constitution (and if you want to interpret some shit, it specifies not in cases of impeachment, so if they meant for other exclusions why not say so, it's not like this one was hard to imagine for founders worried about tyranny)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36183265)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: stirring liquid oxygen

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185587)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:24 AM
Author: Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed

Maybe because the founders didn't draft the constitution like modern biglawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185613)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:00 PM
Author: House-broken corner

half the founding father were biglawyers bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36190818)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:52 AM
Author: Electric Ungodly Shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185747)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 6:18 PM
Author: Translucent kitty cat

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1003762763624312832

Chris Hayes tells the truth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36183346)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:47 PM
Author: Coral gas station goyim

he states this like its some novel legal strategy - this is pretty clear from the structure of the constitution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36188525)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: 180 crimson library skinny woman

Hold on, the Constitution enumerates a single exception to the pardon power, an exception that applies to the President himself (impeachment) and libs want to read an unstated additional limitation that means that not only can he not pardon himself in case of impeachment, he can't pardon himself ever. We just didn't bother writing that last part because future libs will understand what we meant.

Of course he can pardon himself. He can pardon his son in law or daughter or former advisor. You can pardon people who are clearly guilty and people for which there can be no impartiality in granting the pardon. He can pardon his VP and then can resign and his former VP can pardon him.

What are libs going to do? Prosecute him anyway and then argue to the Supreme Court you can't pardon yourself because it just feels icky?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185591)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:19 AM
Author: Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed

Arguably the founders didn't bother writing anything about it because they couldn't envision someone dumb enough to try it, given the other checks on govt, and given that the sentiment of the time was such that anyone who would try such a thing would likely have been hauled out of office and strung up on the spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185600)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:26 AM
Author: 180 crimson library skinny woman

Or maybe the better reading of the Constitution is we don't prosecute former Presidents for "crimes" while in office pursuant to the ordinary criminal justice system because that breeds political reprisals and abuses of power. Instead, if the President commits a crime, we just remove him from office. That is the check, not the threat of criminal prosecution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185620)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:29 AM
Author: medicated background story theater stage

correct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185625)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:34 AM
Author: Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed

Trump isn't being prosecuted while in office... The DOJ doesn't even believe it has the power to indict a sitting president. This is a case being built for impeachment. The legislative branch is clearly utterly incapable of investigating this impartially. Does anyone even dispute that Mueller will do a far more impartial and thorough job than any hack committee in Congress?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185633)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:38 AM
Author: Translucent kitty cat

"The legislative branch is clearly utterly incapable of investigating this impartially."

holy shit just ignore the constitution bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185640)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:40 AM
Author: Alcoholic titillating school cafeteria half-breed

The constitution also doesn't envision all these "rule making" legislative bodies under the executive branch yet here we are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185646)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:03 AM
Author: burgundy organic girlfriend station

TDS has broken Lib brains. CS’s arguments ITT are a perfect example. He hates Trump so much that he is willing to take insane and extreme positions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186323)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:20 AM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch

Do you think he can be prosecuted after leaving office for criminal acts committed before and after his term(s)? How particular do his pardons have to be, and can they prospectively and retroactively immunize him from criminal prosecution for any offenses?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185601)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:29 AM
Author: medicated background story theater stage

jfc wlmas you’re obsessed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36185623)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:18 AM
Author: Charismatic faggotry

are these supposed to be hard questions? bc they're not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186186)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: burgundy organic girlfriend station

To him yes. AA is debilitating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186328)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:16 AM
Author: Maize national

Remember when it looked like Hillary was going to win the election and the MEDIA suggested she pardon herself? Good times.

https://blogs.wsj.com/law/2016/11/03/can-a-president-self-pardon/

https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/if-hillary-is-indicted-president-clinton-could-pardon-herself-and-congress-might-be-helpless/

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/does_presidents_pardon_authority_extend_to_a_self_pardon/

https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/792065012974092288

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/01/will-hillary-clinton-be-impeached-over-emails-if-she-becomes-pre/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186181)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:18 AM
Author: Charismatic faggotry

JFC!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186187)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:31 AM
Author: violent abode mexican

This is fucking scholarship and deserves more attention. Did you find these links yourself? You're doing God's work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186228)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:39 AM
Author: Maize national

Conservatives on Twitter and reddit have been posting the mediaite tweet so I did a search to see how many other articles there were.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186261)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:46 AM
Author: violent abode mexican

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186283)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:38 AM
Author: Claret volcanic crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186258)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:42 AM
Author: Beady-eyed cream goal in life

What the fuck. Somebody needs to have Trump tweet these out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186266)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:24 AM
Author: Laughsome blue hospital regret



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186730)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:43 AM
Author: curious pistol

fucking LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186270)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:45 AM
Author: seedy locus boiling water



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186276)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:06 AM
Author: burgundy organic girlfriend station

You should be nominated for a Presidential Medal of Freedom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186334)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: big church newt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186387)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: Maize national

In addition to her pardoning herself, the media suggested (both before and after the election) that Obama pardon Hillary:

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/11/15/should-president-obama-pardon-hillary-clinton

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-president-obama-clinton-kass-1204-20161202-column.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/would-obama-pardon-clinton-231120

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-13/why-obama-should-pardon-hillary-clinton

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2016-11-01/obama-needs-to-answer-whether-hell-pardon-hillary-clinton-over-emails

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/president-obama-hillary-clinton-presidential-pardon-donald-trump-campaign-promises-a7428251.html

And believe it or not, they suggested TRUMP should pardon Hillary lmao

https://www.weeklystandard.com/michael-graham/why-donald-trump-should-pardon-hillary-clinton

http://www.delcotimes.com/opinion/20171031/chris-freind-why-president-trump-should-offer-pardon-to-hillary-clinton

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/14/politics/mukasey-on-comey-trump-cnntv/index.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186461)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:43 AM
Author: violent abode mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186497)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:11 AM
Author: burgundy organic girlfriend station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186661)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:44 AM
Author: Electric Ungodly Shitlib

ROFL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186865)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 8:56 PM
Author: violent abode mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36190787)



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Date: June 6th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: violent abode mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36197008)



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Date: June 7th, 2018 2:02 AM
Author: Sadistic aromatic stag film headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36198812)



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Date: June 7th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: burgundy organic girlfriend station

libs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36199481)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:04 AM
Author: Lavender bateful cuck laser beams

I'm sure the founders just forgot to exclude the right to self pardon or figured no POTUS would try to. After all, most of the constitution is unconcerned with separation and delineation of powers. The founders gave little to no thought on the proper restraints of executive power.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186327)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: Stubborn know-it-all indian lodge preventive strike

are DC crimes considered federal law? Could Trump seriously shoot Comey in the oval office in broad daylight and then just pardon himself and suffer no consequences?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36186905)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 11:28 AM
Author: stirring liquid oxygen

God damn I hope he tests that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36187130)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:09 PM
Author: pontificating vermilion main people locale

He might be impeached in that case. Probably not though because it's Comey.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36187760)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring forum becky

Yeah, other than impeachment.

I like how you're assuming this is such an absurd situation. How many innocent U.S. servicemen did GWB murder in cold blood?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36187886)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:32 PM
Author: burgundy organic girlfriend station

Im opposed to the Iraq invasion, but lol @ this poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36188397)



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Date: June 7th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: Electric Ungodly Shitlib

The president has a lot of power, he could do a lot of fucked up shit with only political consequences. That's the nature of our system

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36199485)



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 5:45 AM
Author: cobalt very tactful brunch

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3993286&forum_id=2#36661208)