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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:45 AM Author: Mauve legend http://fromcitytosuburbia.com/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186515) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: razzle-dazzle arrogant plaza I don't know about the other posts but the what I miss about biglaw one seems pretty on point (although I can't shall to the post about sexual harassment because I'm a dude and no one seems to have the desire to harass me). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186556) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:53 AM Author: Mauve legend yes, it's pretty clear that ego is the main reason anyone likes biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186566) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 9:57 AM Author: razzle-dazzle arrogant plaza Not sure if you're being sarcastic but if there's one thing I think people could miss that should be it. Other than that the post pretty much h says biglaw is a cesspool doesn't it? That sounds about right to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186586) |
Date: June 5th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: floppy theater yarmulke It blows my mind that someone can bust there ass in undergrad and law school and then work for 3 or 4 years and just end their career. Seems like those are some prett contradictory qualities to have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186631) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:07 AM Author: Indecent center maybe because that "career" fucking sucks, which should be evident to anyone who reads xo for more than 15 minutes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186641) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: floppy theater yarmulke I'm a biglolyer and absolutely understand that this career fucking sucks and I absolutely hate it, but it's not like it's this or nothing and I would think someone who did all that work to get a biglaw job realize would still have a drive to do something professionaly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186705) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:27 AM Author: wild misanthropic giraffe point who cares (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186756) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: floppy theater yarmulke Not you I guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186786) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: Thriller Area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188398) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:27 AM Author: wild misanthropic giraffe point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186753) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:08 AM Author: primrose dog poop They devote themselves to their kids, almost obsessively. I've seen it before with family members and it's understandable (though a little annoying sometimes like when I prove that her 3-year old son can't actually read but had merely memorized the words from his favorite books). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186646) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:09 AM Author: Indecent center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186648) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: sable frisky sandwich devoting oneself to family >>> devoting oneself to doc review (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186656) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: primrose dog poop I agree. I think these women also have a very good appreciation for the work that their husbands do given their own experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186670) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:16 AM Author: sable frisky sandwich Agreed. Plus, as I said below, a smart, capable woman can actually do a lot for her family that doesn't involve bringing in income.
I know this chick's husband is a surgeon, but assume he was a biglaw partner. She could 100% network with other women in their affluent neighborhood and perhaps help find him potential clients. She can manage their money. She can control their costs at home. Etc. |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: Mentally impaired milky temple Sounds like something that requires 20 years of schooling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186732) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: sable frisky sandwich It doesn't, but that's a separate issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186738) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:28 AM Author: Mentally impaired milky temple It's the issue this thread is about! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186762) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: sable frisky sandwich It's one of them, yes.
It's also about how a woman doesn't need to earn income to contribute to her family.
But yes, there is far too much money spent on formal education, especially by women. |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: floppy theater yarmulke I agree that women don't need to be earners to contribute to a balanced family life but I think it's a waste for women to devote years of their lives to a career that lasts a couple (miserable) years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186779) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:33 AM Author: Mentally impaired milky temple It isn't just a personal loss. It's wasteful at a societal level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186789) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:36 AM Author: floppy theater yarmulke That too. But at least grad schools, student loan providers and psychotic biglaw partners were able to make a little money off her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186815) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: Coiffed twinkling uncleanness turdskin You really showed her! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186671) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: sable frisky sandwich to this day it's LathamTouchedMe's only xo pwning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186682) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:46 AM Author: galvanic messiness deer antler Lmao - that toddler and mom are DONE HERE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186884) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 11:54 AM Author: Duck-like laughsome trailer park I remember that poast from last summer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187300) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: elite aphrodisiac piazza That was in Family Matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187599) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:09 AM Author: sable frisky sandwich why? sounds like she could bust her ass being a great wife and mother. raising kids is important work.
she could also use her smarts to help save the family money, to network, to find investments for her family, etc. |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:28 AM Author: Henna liquid oxygen native lol or hire a nanny, cleaning lady and shop every day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186760) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: Irradiated Narrow-minded Gas Station Raising kids is a worthy endeavor and whatever legal job she could have that doesn’t involve biglaw likely doesn’t bring in enough to make it worth it to continue. It makes both personal and economic sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186657) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:12 AM Author: sable frisky sandwich 100% agree, especially when factoring in marginal taxes on the extra income plus childcare costs (and convenience costs) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186663) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: floppy theater yarmulke I'm in biglaw, have kids and am all about putting family first and really making that your focus, it just completely sucks that someone like this woman who was obviously pretty smart and had something to contribute professionally basically went to and acheuved in undergrad/law school for no reason other than to pay down some (maybe all) of her loans when being yelled at by some psychopaths who ran her off the rails career-wise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186743) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: Topaz theater stage You’re overvaluing the “professional contributions” of a biglaw associate and maybe generally. Once you square that up, it’s much easier to understand how her decision makes sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187868) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:42 PM Author: Cocky friendly grandma No I'm a biglawyer and believe me I do not overvalue the profession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187989) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: chestnut hall background story Sunk cost fallacy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188383) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:27 AM Author: Mentally impaired milky temple Of course raising children well is one of the highest pursuits. That's not in doubt. The criticism is pointed at the fact that women accrue a ridiculous amount of schooling to position themselves as suitable marriage material. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186754) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: Irradiated Narrow-minded Gas Station Life is unpredictable. Im sure she didn’t go to law school with the goal of being a sahm. It turned out that way because her husband finished his residency, started making money and they moved somewhere with good COL. let’s say instead the only job he got was in nyc and they stayed. she may be forced to continue working. She was working a job remotely at a legal non profit before quitting. That sounds like a low paying job that doesn’t make sense to keep. Let’s say she got a cushy in house job that was 9-5 making $250k. Maybe she would’ve continued working then.
It’s hard to criticize someone for how life turned out 10 years after she first started school when there were a lot of different things that had to happen before she could reach this point where it made sense for her to quit. |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:07 PM Author: Mentally impaired milky temple "Life is unpredictable."
yes, individually this woman's trajectory was hard to predict. Her story, aggregated with similar ones of women with terminal degrees jettisoning their careers, constitutes a pattern, however. It's not this one woman I'm criticizing. |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Irradiated Narrow-minded Gas Station How prevalent do you think this is? I would say maybe 20% of former biglawyers or other professional women I know are now SAHMs. It’s still the minority who completely give up careers, not talking about some freelance writer with a bs career to begin with here. Far more move into more lifestyle jobs. Women don’t give up all that schooling as easily as you think. So don’t go to school at all because you have a 20% chance of giving it all up, esp when your own personal outcome is unpredictable? That doesn’t make sense to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187485) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Black incel Lol what? You just really like to argue huh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187570) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Mentally impaired milky temple 20% attrition to become SAHMS is high. A proper set of incentives would minimize this waste. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187573) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:41 PM Author: sable frisky sandwich I bet it's higher than that, especially when factoring in all the women who continue to work but don't need fancy advanced degrees, like running a small business, or working for a non-profit, or being a real estate agent, etc.
No one needs a $250k degree to sell houses in Scarsdale. |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:44 PM Author: Know-it-all vermilion sanctuary Cr. Tons of women in bullshit “jd preferred” jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187615) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Irradiated Narrow-minded Gas Station Are you targeting SAHMs specifically or anybody who ends up not using their degree? Because I know far more than 20% of men who are no longer practing lawyers and do other things now (went to get PhDs in unrelated fields, business, artists/writers etc) that’s a complete waste of a law degree. I don’t see how being a sahm is anymore wasteful than anybody else who doesn’t end up using their degree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187620) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: sable frisky sandwich He's saying that a very large % of women ratchet down their careers and basically pursue it as an interest that happens to pay a little money, or eschew a career totally in the case of a SAHM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187641) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: Irradiated Narrow-minded Gas Station I’d be curious to see stats on this, not from all law schools but say top schools where a large proportion goes to biglaw.
I can only say anecdotally that at my 10 year reunion, maybe 50% of my former classmates are no longer practicing lawyers and a higher portion of men than women were doing non-law related stuff and no longer using their degrees. I suspect this has to do with men being greater risk takers while women are not. The women are far more likely to have govt jobs or other lifestyle friendly legal jobs than random non legal careers and they’re not going to do total bs stuff like MLM cosmetics.
At least at the top schools, not sure what the intended result is to discourage women specifically from pursuing degrees. For any individual woman who is actually smart and capable and doesn’t come from family money or already has a rich husband/engaged in professional school, there’s no fallback position on how you support yourself through life. |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:13 PM Author: sable frisky sandwich I feel like he's speaking across the educational spectrum, not just top law schools.
there is a ton of waste on educational spend, particularly on the female side of the ledger. |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Irradiated Narrow-minded Gas Station Well yeah, it’s obviously completely worthless to take out loans (or even no loans) to attend 95% of all grad programs and women are worse at having careers as a whole than men. That’s not in dispute.
I just take issue with the idea of a high achieving woman who obtained a non-worthless degree giving it all up to be a sahm as worth more derision than a man who got the same degree, worked a few years in biglaw, and then gave it up to do a completely unrelated business. Both didn’t end up using degrees but because the man is still working, it’s not seen a total waste. |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:44 PM Author: Cocky friendly grandma I must have missed the posts where that comparison was made and sahms were being derided as a result. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188001) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: Irradiated Narrow-minded Gas Station The criticism is her dropping out of the workforce to raise kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188193) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: Mentally impaired milky temple We have become a hypercompetitive society in which professional degrees and background have become a sexual signaling mechanism for both genders. What % of women go into law with the possibility of ditching their career to become SAHMs, when the right guy comes along, tucked away not too far in the back of their minds? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188569) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Apoplectic newt pistol But think of it this way: she could have forgone law school, instead hoping to find a rich husband who would support her as a SAHM. But I think that outcome is a lot less likely than that she would actually have to work to contribute to her family, and she went to law school so that she could do that if necessary. It was a better choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188497) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: sable frisky sandwich Again though, they aren't commenting on her specific choice, but rather on the vast amount of money spent on 1 or more expensive degrees for a lot of women who barely use or need them, even if in any specific instance a woman made the correct choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188566) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:16 AM Author: hyperventilating supple candlestick maker The parasitic consumption of resources (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186680) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:40 PM Author: beady-eyed blathering codepig * guy who doesn't understand sunk costs * (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187585) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:25 AM Author: fear-inspiring clear partner psychic Chick is super, super hot and there is no reason for her to slave away in a biglaw office after marrying a surgeon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186736) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: sable frisky sandwich biglaw is just about the worst way for an attractive chick to leverage her looks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186749) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: fear-inspiring clear partner psychic Exactly, which is why they are rare as green unicorns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186770) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: Know-it-all vermilion sanctuary Explain pumette (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188756) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: Out-of-control Kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186867) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 10:48 AM Author: galvanic messiness deer antler U: purell at desk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186901) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: Out-of-control Kitty Very nice people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36186981) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:08 PM Author: sexy soul-stirring filthpig chicks always do this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187399) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:12 PM Author: Know-it-all vermilion sanctuary “My opening statement was that I come from a family of immigrants and that I've had to pave my own way financially and otherwise. ”
Lol what is this chicks background? I thought she was a jewess |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: sable frisky sandwich everyone is a constant fucking victim, jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187482) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:49 PM Author: bonkers titillating rehab Seems like a hot, cheerful woman who didn't want to slave away in biglaw when she has a husband who is a surgeon and a kid. Good for her. It would be a net gain for society if we could find a useful role for people like her once their kids are in school seeing as she obviously has some brains and ambition, but instead firms are like "oh no, dat resume gap!" (She clearly could be doing stuff part time like preparing discovery responses/objections, managing a long-term document review, doing research for briefs, etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187648) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Know-it-all vermilion sanctuary Lol all that shit you listed is a waste of an intelligent persons talents (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187664) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:01 PM Author: bonkers titillating rehab It needs to get done, it gets billed at the same rate as genius strategizing and legal wizzardry, and it requires a non-retard and non-scumbag to be done properly. This woman is T14 --> "v10." Not a Field Medal winner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187722) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: Slippery white patrolman wagecucks "Picture this: It's 12:30 a.m. two weeks before my wedding. I'm sitting in my office overlooking Central Park, eating $35 worth of zoodles from Seamless.com, reviewing a document production I was forced into supervising for a practice group that I didn't even belong to. Ah yes, the joys of BigLaw in New York.
Now, if you're thinking this sounds interesting in any way, you would be incorrect. Somehow, explaining what it was like to be a litigator at a white-shoe law firm in New York City is really hard even though there are plenty of juicy tidbits that non-lawyers love to balk at: I worked 80 hours a week but only got credit for 60! I stayed in the office all throughout a holiday weekend to write an emergency motion that we didn't end up filing! I got yelled at by a senior male partner in front of a bunch of other men for a mistake I didn't even make!
Bottom line: when you're an attorney (or any professional) working at a high level, you live in a constant state of stress. Your time isn't your own. You're at the mercy of a bunch of panicked nerds with diagnosable personality disorders. Wonderful."
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:17 PM Author: Know-it-all vermilion sanctuary Lol last sentence is devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187794) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: Henna liquid oxygen native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188014) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 1:36 PM Author: Mauve legend I think she's backing off on her promise to say more about the horrors and the demented individuals in the office. probably too negative for her new schtick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36187935) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Thriller Area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188442) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: Offensive chrome national boistinker This chick is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188512) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 3:35 PM Author: Topaz theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188856) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: Apoplectic newt pistol I was on a trial team once, and one of the other associates had his wedding smack in the middle of it, obviously scheduled way before we knew when the trial was happening. He left one day to take wedding pics, and the partners were bitching in the war room about him being gone way too long. They let him take the rest of the time off for wedding and honeymoon, but they were so hilariously passive aggressive about it like wow holy shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188661) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: Thriller Area Partners need to die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188688) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: Dead persian mood Gives me hope that I can return to normalcy post-biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188710) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 3:29 PM Author: Indecent center cr just marry a surgeon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188800) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: Henna liquid oxygen native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36189383) |
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Date: June 5th, 2018 3:44 PM Author: bearded spectacular double fault multi-billionaire Oh look. Another attractive female lawyer from a good school married rich and thinks she found enlightenment that she has to share with others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3994158&forum_id=2#36188921) |