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Elon Musk: beware of "trickery" from lawyers.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008124944289370113
gaped electric furnace set
  06/17/18
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Well-lubricated aquamarine school goyim
  06/17/18
So he wants mob rule. Jfc
french plum mediation fanboi
  06/17/18
he’s high
Mahogany mentally impaired alpha
  06/17/18
Cr
awkward razzle-dazzle nowag ticket booth
  06/17/18
His tweets are positive evidence of why inherited wealth = e...
bearded temple
  06/17/18
Didn't he found multiple companies? Don't think he inherited...
Well-lubricated aquamarine school goyim
  06/17/18
He’s self-made.
slate gas station
  06/17/18
LJL at this flame. His family owned billions in mining inter...
bearded temple
  06/17/18
rly? interesting
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
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primrose thriller brunch
  06/17/18
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Mind-boggling Burgundy Mad Cow Disease Water Buffalo
  06/17/18
flame
vibrant lake library background story
  06/17/18
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/how-elon-musks-family-came...
bearded temple
  06/17/18
it is interesting. i get really pissed when heirs to massiv...
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
weird poast
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
No doubt this poster feels that the reverse is true for zher...
primrose thriller brunch
  06/17/18
his dad is DEAD
carnelian learning disabled french chef
  06/17/18
ok - how much was the interest worth when he died? how much...
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
i don't understand
carnelian learning disabled french chef
  06/17/18
Direct democracy w 40% veto. What could go wrong?
Canary slippery macaca
  06/17/18
The faggot has clearly never read Jordan Peterson and doesnt...
bearded temple
  06/17/18
So many apes walking around with weaves and ebt that I pay f...
Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire
  06/17/18
if you're such a jordan petersonmo, maybe try following his ...
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
This is an extremely homosexual post
Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire
  06/17/18
ok, pumo
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
Lmao
Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire
  06/17/18
Thats great for the first generation, but 150IQ people dont ...
bearded temple
  06/17/18
sure - and the 90 iqs die off or get their rights severely l...
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
get their rights severely limited And which non existen...
Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire
  06/17/18
in a mars scenario? send em back to earth where they'll be ...
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
Lmao be honest how old are you?
Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire
  06/17/18
we're talking about colonizing mars, effectively a sci-fi sc...
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
Lmao
Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire
  06/17/18
what's your problem
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
Lmao
Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire
  06/17/18
What do the Left and Right each veto on the first day?
Chrome stage travel guidebook
  06/17/18
lol@colonizing Mars when we can't yet make economical all ba...
Big honey-headed lay
  06/17/18
TCR
bearded temple
  06/17/18
You have be extra retarded to think short laws = good laws. ...
bearded temple
  06/17/18
might work if you're selective about who gets to live in you...
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
Smarts have jack all to do with it. Anyone who has spent any...
bearded temple
  06/17/18
you just pivoted from bitching about 85-IQ juries to "s...
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
He's wrong because of both issues. Dumbs will fuck it up and...
bearded temple
  06/17/18
Just do pass laws that only the lobbyists who worked on them...
odious liquid oxygen
  06/17/18
You obviously have never lived in a small community with a s...
Titillating Bright Locale Internal Respiration
  06/17/18
...
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
We will in a country of 330 million people 20% of whom are l...
Pearl Heady Step-uncle's House Jewess
  06/17/18
...
Fragrant fiercely-loyal idea he suggested
  06/17/18
LMAO this is some of the most beta fairy shit I've read on t...
Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire
  06/17/18
(outted as full blown incel)
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
How many women have you fucked?
Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire
  06/17/18
Lmao
electric deer antler resort
  06/17/18
(((trickery)))
Magical flatulent heaven
  06/17/18
Direct democracy works in small, homogenous countries like S...
exciting sooty hissy fit boiling water
  06/17/18
NYC isn't socialist, it's a mixed economy. How's that workin...
Self-absorbed athletic conference house
  06/17/18
*party in power eliminates rule-elimination power*
Chrome stage travel guidebook
  06/17/18
veiled jq
Drunken rehab sound barrier
  06/17/18
he and thiel are 100% woke on the jq
magenta voyeur
  06/17/18
Is there anyone better than Andrew Joyce on the jq?
Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire
  06/17/18
Greg Johnson has written good stuff but it's weak he cucked ...
magenta voyeur
  06/17/18
...
trip marketing idea
  06/17/18
wtf i love millions of clueless retards engaging in Direct D...
soul-stirring zombie-like piazza
  06/17/18
...
magenta voyeur
  06/17/18
...
Boyish Theatre Degenerate
  06/18/18
A celebrity Tesla exploded and he's losing the popular opini...
clear tank
  06/17/18
Tesla, as a car business, lives at the pleasure of the rest ...
Chrome stage travel guidebook
  06/18/18


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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:26 AM
Author: gaped electric furnace set

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008124944289370113

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259889)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:29 AM
Author: Well-lubricated aquamarine school goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259898)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:29 AM
Author: french plum mediation fanboi

So he wants mob rule. Jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259899)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:31 AM
Author: Mahogany mentally impaired alpha

he’s high

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259907)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 2:23 PM
Author: awkward razzle-dazzle nowag ticket booth

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260748)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:32 AM
Author: bearded temple

His tweets are positive evidence of why inherited wealth = evil. He's a dumb and should be striving somewhere for $75k a year and not sitting on $20 billion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259911)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:34 AM
Author: Well-lubricated aquamarine school goyim

Didn't he found multiple companies? Don't think he inherited most of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259918)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:36 AM
Author: slate gas station

He’s self-made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259930)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:41 AM
Author: bearded temple

LJL at this flame. His family owned billions in mining interests. He has said they were so rich they couldnt close their safe it was so stuffed with cash. The kids were given million dollar rubies to play with instead of marbles. He's not self made. Bezos is not self made either. His family owned more land than Belgium. Gates's dad is the Gates in K&L Gates. Zucks parents were both doctors so he's one of the closest to being self made and even then you're looking at a family of millionaires. Sergei Brin is really the only legit poor on the lot. His family came here from Russia with nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259953)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:44 AM
Author: electric deer antler resort

rly? interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259963)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: primrose thriller brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259972)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Burgundy Mad Cow Disease Water Buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260026)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: vibrant lake library background story

flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259994)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:57 AM
Author: bearded temple

https://www.businessinsider.co.za/how-elon-musks-family-came-to-own-an-emerald-mine-2018-2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260013)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: electric deer antler resort

it is interesting. i get really pissed when heirs to massive fortunes start bloviating about morality and human nature. is there anything on whether elon actually inherited anything before he maed it? not unreasonable to assume he did but will be a major disappointment if true. i always liked that story about how he tried to live on a dollar a day in bushwick to see if he could handle what it would be like to lose everything. sort of meaningless though if you know can always run back to daddy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260024)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: electric deer antler resort

weird poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259959)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: primrose thriller brunch

No doubt this poster feels that the reverse is true for zherself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259970)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:32 PM
Author: carnelian learning disabled french chef

his dad is DEAD

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260131)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: electric deer antler resort

ok - how much was the interest worth when he died? how much is it worth today? did elon actually inherit anything? i understand elon and his dad had a terrible relationship and that they've been on non-speaking terms since his teens.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260180)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: carnelian learning disabled french chef

i don't understand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260124)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:39 AM
Author: Canary slippery macaca

Direct democracy w 40% veto. What could go wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259942)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:48 AM
Author: bearded temple

The faggot has clearly never read Jordan Peterson and doesnt know that the bottom 20% are literally retarded and cant even work a cash register because their IQ is that low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259980)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:50 AM
Author: Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire

So many apes walking around with weaves and ebt that I pay for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259983)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:52 AM
Author: electric deer antler resort

if you're such a jordan petersonmo, maybe try following his advice and do some steelmanning: elon's test colony on mars won't be populated with dumbs...not in the first instance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259987)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:52 AM
Author: Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire

This is an extremely homosexual post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259992)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:56 AM
Author: electric deer antler resort

ok, pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260006)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:57 AM
Author: Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260011)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:56 AM
Author: bearded temple

Thats great for the first generation, but 150IQ people dont reliably produce 150IQ children and will about 10-12% of the time produce a 90IQ fuckup. Enjoy gen 2 with your social system setup only for geniuses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260001)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:15 PM
Author: electric deer antler resort

sure - and the 90 iqs die off or get their rights severely limited. not to mention that we don't know how the regression to the mean dynamic (with respect to iq) will play out in a post-birth control universe.

the reason we deem ourselves to be "above" our monkey ancestors is because we're smarter

your concerns are legit, but i think you're being unjustifiably arrogant in calling musk "a dumb"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260044)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:17 PM
Author: Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire

get their rights severely limited

And which non existent policy level will do this work for you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260054)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:20 PM
Author: electric deer antler resort

in a mars scenario? send em back to earth where they'll be doped up and put to work (probably make-work) at a level they can handle - brave new world style

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260065)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:23 PM
Author: Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire

Lmao be honest how old are you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260076)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: electric deer antler resort

we're talking about colonizing mars, effectively a sci-fi scenario

so when discussing questions about what types of value systems will govern in that scenario, i don't think it's naive to analogize to useful fictions like a brave new world

and ARE Reptile sort of opened the door for this kind of discussion by mentioning Jordan Peterson

and I don't know why anyone would just assume that population dynamics in the first 100 years or 200 years of such a colony would follow typical regression to mean iq given current technologies, including birth control, genetic engineering, healthcare, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260116)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260138)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: electric deer antler resort

what's your problem

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260169)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:47 PM
Author: Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260564)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: Chrome stage travel guidebook

What do the Left and Right each veto on the first day?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260526)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:39 AM
Author: Big honey-headed lay

lol@colonizing Mars when we can't yet make economical all battery powered cars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259947)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:41 AM
Author: bearded temple

TCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259954)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:44 AM
Author: bearded temple

You have be extra retarded to think short laws = good laws. Just do leave the shit vague as fuck for asshole judges who already have god complexes and 85IQ juries. LJL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259965)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: electric deer antler resort

might work if you're selective about who gets to live in your colony; short laws + smart populace might actually work

i get the sense that's one of the end goals of crypto - a currency that dumb people can inherit but will struggle to earn or even hold on to

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259975)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:52 AM
Author: bearded temple

Smarts have jack all to do with it. Anyone who has spent any time in courtrooms know how many judges are legit drunk on their own power. They can all be 150IQ people but they are still people and people go nuts when they have employment for life and basically answer to no one. Just read a bit of Posner to get a vague sense of the god complex these fuckers can build up. It's 2x worse than their bloviated writing even lets on. The laws are the way they are in part to contain the judiciary which will go full ape if you let them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259989)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:54 AM
Author: electric deer antler resort

you just pivoted from bitching about 85-IQ juries to "smarts have jack all to do with it"

i'm fine to talk about the god complex that judges have (which is thornier and legit), but please stick to a freakin' issue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36259996)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 11:56 AM
Author: bearded temple

He's wrong because of both issues. Dumbs will fuck it up and judges will fuck it up too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260005)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: odious liquid oxygen

Just do pass laws that only the lobbyists who worked on them have read in their entirety

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260061)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: Titillating Bright Locale Internal Respiration

You obviously have never lived in a small community with a shared common interest/history. In such a setting, short laws = good laws, and those short laws can basically be summed up as follows:

1. If you are going to be an idiot, don't endanger anyone else with your antics.

2. Don't be a dick.

3. If you are better than other people, everyone already knows it, so keep it to yourself.

4. Take care of your family and help your neighbors.

5. Don't rock the boat over small shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260792)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: electric deer antler resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260813)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 2:57 PM
Author: Pearl Heady Step-uncle's House Jewess

We will in a country of 330 million people 20% of whom are literal retards, 13% of whom are niggers with no culture at all, 25% of whom are papist Hispanics with no Puritan work ethic precisely because they are communalist papists with no understanding of the individual and 80% of the country lives in mega metro areas with over 1.5 million people. None of this common law shit from 12th century England remotely applies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260907)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 3:02 PM
Author: Fragrant fiercely-loyal idea he suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260934)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 2:59 PM
Author: Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire

LMAO this is some of the most beta fairy shit I've read on this board

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260917)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 7:13 PM
Author: electric deer antler resort

(outted as full blown incel)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36262198)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 7:16 PM
Author: Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire

How many women have you fucked?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36262204)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 10:12 PM
Author: electric deer antler resort

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36263034)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:23 PM
Author: Magical flatulent heaven

(((trickery)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260075)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 12:33 PM
Author: exciting sooty hissy fit boiling water

Direct democracy works in small, homogenous countries like Switzerland. Don’t think it would work as well in the United States. Same with socialism. Great for small countries or cities (ex, nyc is socialist) but not large nations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260135)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 3:49 PM
Author: Self-absorbed athletic conference house

NYC isn't socialist, it's a mixed economy. How's that working out for the city budget btw? NYC also has a bigger population than Switzerland or Israel...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36261167)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:43 PM
Author: Chrome stage travel guidebook

*party in power eliminates rule-elimination power*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260541)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 1:50 PM
Author: Drunken rehab sound barrier

veiled jq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260584)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 3:36 PM
Author: magenta voyeur

he and thiel are 100% woke on the jq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36261099)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 3:38 PM
Author: Razzle yellow property multi-billionaire

Is there anyone better than Andrew Joyce on the jq?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36261107)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: magenta voyeur

Greg Johnson has written good stuff but it's weak he cucked on the holocaust (and he knows hes full of shit there).

quite frankly whenever the dust settles anglin always emerges as the winner in his conflicts with other alt-right figures and that's usually the answer to any AR question.

I appreciate Kevin MacDonald's effort but it's not science in the way he wants to say it is and that's counterproductive imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36261327)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 4:04 PM
Author: trip marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36261240)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: soul-stirring zombie-like piazza

wtf i love millions of clueless retards engaging in Direct Democracy now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36260829)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 8:33 PM
Author: magenta voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36262587)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 10:52 AM
Author: Boyish Theatre Degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36264721)



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Date: June 17th, 2018 5:23 PM
Author: clear tank

A celebrity Tesla exploded and he's losing the popular opinion battle rapidly

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/06/west-wing-stars-tesla-car-explodes-into-flames/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36261634)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 2:42 AM
Author: Chrome stage travel guidebook

Tesla, as a car business, lives at the pleasure of the rest of the market. It will die just as soon as the others will it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4003905&forum_id=2#36263830)