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LJL, I used to be pretentious as fuck in my 20's

Before I realized everything is flame. NOW I have the CR ans...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
You can have it all
Jade sneaky criminal karate
  06/20/18
...
180 affirmative action
  06/20/18
...
razzle people who are hurt
  06/21/18
...
Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig
  06/21/18
girls say i look better in person than in my pics. how do i ...
Sticky dysfunction
  06/19/18
Don't. You don't want to be that guy who hires someone to ta...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
actually you most certainly want to be that guy that spends ...
peach half-breed
  06/19/18
*Pradeep posts this on his dating profile* https://i.pini...
Cracking address
  06/19/18
my shoulders are wayy bigger
peach half-breed
  06/19/18
Yea, listen to the Indian guy pretending to be black on the ...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
Fatceps or Watchmen?
Trip Indirect Expression
  06/20/18
Upgrading my pics drastically increased my matches and I *st...
Motley Free-loading Halford Public Bath
  06/19/18
stunning lack of self awareness RSF
Curious topaz philosopher-king
  06/19/18
What is the importance of ug prestige at a place like Brown ...
Mind-boggling Lilac Area Clown
  06/19/18
There is no importance to ug prestige anywhere outside of th...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
DESCRIBE your learning process
beady-eyed circlehead
  06/19/18
getting old just makes you realize everything is flame and y...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
...
Sticky dysfunction
  06/19/18
...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
...
Pale ticket booth
  06/19/18
...
Mewling coldplay fan
  06/20/18
So now do you realize it doesn't matter whether or not someo...
big saffron institution
  06/19/18
Rose Bar? ljllllllllll
Curious topaz philosopher-king
  06/19/18
guy is still MAF about a thread from 10+ years ago
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3553881&mc=43&am...
big saffron institution
  06/20/18
LOL @ you being MAF about an XO thread from a decade ago. JF...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/20/18
more like still LOLing about you acting like a catty high sc...
big saffron institution
  06/21/18
So still MAF about posts from a decade ago, got it
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/21/18
Would you like a detailed explanation of the proper way to d...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
yes
Magenta Office Private Investor
  06/19/18
In those younger years I was very pretentious about only goi...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
(Guy who got NOWAGed by Monsieur Damien at Raspoutine and ha...
Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig
  06/19/18
Omar*
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
I have ratfacedmans business card I can flash in case they t...
Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig
  06/19/18
We need to BALL OUT with RFM next time.
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
Crrrrr
Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig
  06/19/18
What line of work was RFM in?
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
Business development for “ ChronoTruck”
Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig
  06/19/18
Do those truckers need entertainment? Maybe we can work some...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
Hoping they can expand to lot lizard fleet management. Get s...
Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig
  06/19/18
BUSINESS IDEA
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
(guy who cared if his bro from out of town showed up "d...
Motley Free-loading Halford Public Bath
  06/19/18
Like, you wouldn’t want to subject your bro to showing up an...
Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig
  06/19/18
I didn't care, but you would have to consider it regarding i...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
Never had this problem to begin with.
Magenta Office Private Investor
  06/19/18
That bottle service loophole is big enough to drive a greek ...
Excitant Cerise Degenerate Electric Furnace
  06/20/18
MFCRRRR LJL
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/20/18
What kind of woman should i marry.
Magenta Office Private Investor
  06/19/18
One who loves you and would do anything for you and that you...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/19/18
thank you
Magenta Office Private Investor
  06/19/18
this is the credited cr
rose macaca
  06/20/18
Moar pretentious at their respective peaks, ROSE BAR or EMPL...
Lime factory reset button school cafeteria
  06/20/18
Rose Bar and it's not even close.
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/20/18
What about your thoughts no that Ohio State med student who ...
coiffed transparent sandwich
  06/20/18
Didnt they find her in a dumpster?
Excitant Cerise Degenerate Electric Furnace
  06/20/18
link plz? Haven't heard about it.
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/20/18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqktBCMVlJ8 https://en.wi...
coiffed transparent sandwich
  06/20/18
I have, it sucks. They demolished most of the old shitty col...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/21/18
when should a solo travelmo stop staying in hostels?
bonkers mahogany goal in life
  06/20/18
Honestly brother, only when you no longer enjoy staying in t...
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/20/18
LOL at anyone taking life advice from one of the most misera...
big saffron institution
  06/21/18
...
razzle people who are hurt
  06/21/18
Agreed, no one should take advice from you.
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/21/18
LJL, you haven't learned a thing. You just got outed and co...
razzle people who are hurt
  06/21/18
Is today's meltdown going to go on all day TMF? LJL.
Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house
  06/21/18


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Date: June 19th, 2018 12:55 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

Before I realized everything is flame. NOW I have the CR answers to everything, let me know what topics you need to be enlightened on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272072)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:45 AM
Author: Jade sneaky criminal karate

You can have it all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276069)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:56 AM
Author: 180 affirmative action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276126)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: razzle people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284365)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284776)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:04 PM
Author: Sticky dysfunction

girls say i look better in person than in my pics. how do i remedy and bring both to parity?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272132)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:07 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

Don't. You don't want to be that guy who hires someone to take photos of them for a dating app. Surely you can find a handful of pictures of you doing something social where you look good enough. If this isn't a dating app centric question, then there's 100% nothing to be done, no reason to care.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272154)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:17 PM
Author: peach half-breed

actually you most certainly want to be that guy that spends an extra hunnid bucks or two capture that parity. don't listen to the moron about finding a few candids. just commission your photographer to take a few candids of you and use that. it pays dividends bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272606)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:20 PM
Author: Cracking address

*Pradeep posts this on his dating profile*

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/3c/a0/123ca0195921fce235d74d33a4e93377.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272622)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:23 PM
Author: peach half-breed

my shoulders are wayy bigger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272635)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

Yea, listen to the Indian guy pretending to be black on the internet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36273373)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:58 AM
Author: Trip Indirect Expression

Fatceps or Watchmen?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276134)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Motley Free-loading Halford Public Bath

Upgrading my pics drastically increased my matches and I *still* get told I'm better looking in person. Do the best that you can without taking "professional" photos.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274148)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:05 PM
Author: Curious topaz philosopher-king

stunning lack of self awareness RSF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272140)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:06 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Lilac Area Clown

What is the importance of ug prestige at a place like Brown or Vanderbilt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272148)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:09 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

There is no importance to ug prestige anywhere outside of that prestige helping you get into grad school or helping you gain employment during your first few years of your career.

Vanderbilt sounds like a way frattier and more 180 experience than attending Brown.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272163)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:07 PM
Author: beady-eyed circlehead

DESCRIBE your learning process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272153)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:09 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

getting old just makes you realize everything is flame and you should just do what you want and not give a fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272167)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: Sticky dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272181)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:22 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272269)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: Pale ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36273385)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: Mewling coldplay fan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277174)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: big saffron institution

So now do you realize it doesn't matter whether or not someone can get in to Rose Bar?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272697)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: Curious topaz philosopher-king

Rose Bar? ljllllllllll

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272729)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

guy is still MAF about a thread from 10+ years ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36273510)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:22 AM
Author: big saffron institution

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3553881&mc=43&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36275979)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

LOL @ you being MAF about an XO thread from a decade ago. JFC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277482)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: big saffron institution

more like still LOLing about you acting like a catty high school girl in that thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284356)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

So still MAF about posts from a decade ago, got it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284384)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

Would you like a detailed explanation of the proper way to deal with going out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36273340)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Magenta Office Private Investor

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274015)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:45 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

In those younger years I was very pretentious about only going to "ELITE" places. Now this was pre-dating apps, so it was partially justified since the best looking girls were clustered in these places, and my primary motivation for going out was to get laid. However, in a dating app world, there's almost no point in going to places like this, because you can swipe away and have your plans for the night sewn up before you even get dressed to go out. Why jump through hoops and pay $20 for a cocktail when those places no longer have a monopoly on DAT trim?

Going out to DA club in groups or to look for box can still be fun from time to time, but LJL at younger me looking down on going to "shitty" bars. Hanging out in dive bars with your friends and not having to worry about how many dudes are in your group or if your bro from out of town will show up dressed appropriately is very CR and a much chiller and easier way to spend the evening. Caring about what places someone frequents, or thinking frequenting certain bars is a badge of honor is complete flame. Also, unless someone else is paying, or it is a special occasion (bday, bachelor party, etc...) and the person being honored COMMANDS it, bottles should never be part of your evening with some very specific exceptions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274104)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig

(Guy who got NOWAGed by Monsieur Damien at Raspoutine and had to self-deport back to MFH)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274146)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

Omar*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274153)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig

I have ratfacedmans business card I can flash in case they try to kick me out next time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274161)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

We need to BALL OUT with RFM next time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274179)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:14 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig

Crrrrr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274230)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:18 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

What line of work was RFM in?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274239)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:31 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig

Business development for “ ChronoTruck”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274298)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:31 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

Do those truckers need entertainment? Maybe we can work something out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274300)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:33 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig

Hoping they can expand to lot lizard fleet management. Get some GPS devices implanted in peterman and doobs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274310)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:35 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

BUSINESS IDEA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274318)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:58 PM
Author: Motley Free-loading Halford Public Bath

(guy who cared if his bro from out of town showed up "dressed appropriately")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274159)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac faggotry rigpig

Like, you wouldn’t want to subject your bro to showing up and being turned away at the door. Which is the whole point of just going somewhere chill and not having to worry about that shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274174)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

I didn't care, but you would have to consider it regarding if you'd be able to go to the planned places, knowing that if they weren't dressed a certain way they wouldn't be let in, so you'd need to adjust where you were going to go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274176)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:29 PM
Author: Magenta Office Private Investor

Never had this problem to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274291)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 1:07 AM
Author: Excitant Cerise Degenerate Electric Furnace

That bottle service loophole is big enough to drive a greek yacht through

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276164)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:59 AM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

MFCRRRR LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277132)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:45 PM
Author: Magenta Office Private Investor

What kind of woman should i marry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36272737)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

One who loves you and would do anything for you and that you can not only stand being around all the time, but that you prefer being with to being without.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36273347)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Magenta Office Private Investor

thank you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36274014)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:56 AM
Author: rose macaca

this is the credited cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276123)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:31 AM
Author: Lime factory reset button school cafeteria

Moar pretentious at their respective peaks, ROSE BAR or EMPLOYEES ONLY?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276020)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:59 AM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

Rose Bar and it's not even close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277134)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:33 AM
Author: coiffed transparent sandwich

What about your thoughts no that Ohio State med student who "disappeared" at the ugly tuna?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276026)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 1:10 AM
Author: Excitant Cerise Degenerate Electric Furnace

Didnt they find her in a dumpster?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36276182)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:00 AM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

link plz? Haven't heard about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277136)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 11:44 PM
Author: coiffed transparent sandwich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqktBCMVlJ8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Brian_Shaffer

bro you ever been to the ugly tuna?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36282413)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

I have, it sucks. They demolished most of the old shitty college bars to put up the fancy gateway shit. They are doing it all over campus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36283443)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:03 AM
Author: bonkers mahogany goal in life

when should a solo travelmo stop staying in hostels?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277153)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:05 AM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

Honestly brother, only when you no longer enjoy staying in them. I really don't think people judge other guests in any real way, and even if they do who give a fuck if you're comfortable, happy with your location and saving $?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36277167)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: big saffron institution

LOL at anyone taking life advice from one of the most miserable, unhappy, and unhinged people on this board

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284362)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: razzle people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284366)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

Agreed, no one should take advice from you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284388)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: razzle people who are hurt

LJL, you haven't learned a thing. You just got outed and couldn't keep up your whole BS rich old money out of ivy league act. You are still massively pretentious and think you're better than everyone else even though you would be lucky to ever see 6 figures if daddy didn't hit it big. Other than being your dad's kid, you have never done anything remotely interesting or impressive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284501)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:21 PM
Author: Shaky multi-colored newt step-uncle's house

Is today's meltdown going to go on all day TMF? LJL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005538&forum_id=2#36284516)