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The modern liberal worldview is tough to counter

The lib line of argument is still nearly impossible to count...
razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
Very well said. I ran here to say that the modern liberal wo...
Twisted mentally impaired legend antidepressant drug
  06/19/18
it's easy AF to counter, the problem is libs are mentally il...
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  06/19/18
Shut the fuck up
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  06/19/18
lol the only reason it's "tough to counter" is bec...
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Agreed, the hardest point to refute is the claim that you’re...
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  06/19/18
Except everyone, including libs, is implicitly OK with this....
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Startled generalized bond national
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The idea that it's better to let 99 guilty men evade punishm...
Twisted mentally impaired legend antidepressant drug
  06/19/18
Good poast
red trailer park
  06/19/18
leftism is about power, not empathy/kindness, never cede the...
multi-colored hateful shrine
  06/19/18
Cr
sadistic mediation
  06/19/18
In practice I agree, democrats just want more votes, but as ...
razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
Maybe the true believers defined as such by thier being susc...
Twisted mentally impaired legend antidepressant drug
  06/19/18
That seems highly likely. And I'd boil it down to tribalism ...
razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
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  06/19/18
have to be careful using this argument - it's the same argum...
Contagious main people
  06/19/18
O so you mean its a wildly effective tactic
red trailer park
  06/19/18
i'm interested in a sustainable compromise with the left, no...
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razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
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red trailer park
  06/19/18
yeah same here i am eagerly awaiting a reasonable, sustai...
swashbuckling sepia pit
  06/19/18
you can't just wait for it each side has to find a way to...
Contagious main people
  06/19/18
Same situation here actually. I was/have been just such an a...
razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
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Contagious main people
  06/19/18
i'm flaming you dude, waiting for leftists to reasonably com...
swashbuckling sepia pit
  06/19/18
wikipedia has an interesting entry on the difference between...
Contagious main people
  06/19/18
Most concise yet informative subthread of the year candidate...
Twisted mentally impaired legend antidepressant drug
  06/19/18
Conservatives are more empathetic than liberals though- at l...
Vermilion arousing business firm
  06/19/18
I dont think thats a very useful metric Ratio of charitab...
Contagious main people
  06/19/18
Right. On a means basis, conservatives are more charitable. ...
Vermilion arousing business firm
  06/19/18
Interesting. Link?
Contagious main people
  06/19/18
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html
Vermilion arousing business firm
  06/19/18
(((a sustainable compromise))) is a 90% mudpeople America wi...
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Startled generalized bond national
  06/19/18
LJL at this horseshit. Your “empathy” and “kindness” results...
sadistic mediation
  06/19/18
I'm not lib, but I'm saying why it's hard to argue against i...
razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
At face value it’s not? Every policy they suggest involves s...
sadistic mediation
  06/19/18
This is the crux, right here. It's a form of theft, what the...
Twisted mentally impaired legend antidepressant drug
  06/19/18
The Reagan formulation, which is lost to years of betrayal a...
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  06/19/18
not really. libs are ALWAYS hypocritical in one way or anoth...
self-centered institution
  06/19/18
more generally, ANY political worldview that claims to have ...
self-centered institution
  06/19/18
And thus the truth of the matter. But white people aren't al...
razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
i think the concept of white privilege actually has some tee...
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Libs have gotten to you breh. Ljl at thinking white privileg...
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How is white privilege different from majority privilege?
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Whites have created laws and policies which explicitly discr...
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-dont-know-how-to-expl...
Contagious main people
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Tribalism has ramped up 10x with identity politics, which se...
razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
This is far more self reflection than people on this site ha...
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I'm really not I had a long phonecall with my best friend f...
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What exactly is wrong with preserving community and country?...
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they problem is that they want you to care about EVERYBODY w...
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But how are you supposed to negotiate if there are no shared...
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Nonsense
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I don’t think you have to deny that you have a moral duty to...
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razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
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the problem is that libs are blank-slaters and don't believe...
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Maybe if you’re retarded
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"You still don't understand what you're dealing with, d...
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"Last word." "What?" "I can't lie...
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Source?
nudist galvanic nursing home
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Alien (1979)
Contagious main people
  06/19/18
not really. I personally destroy it on the daily stormer ...
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Smart posting here
Stirring pink field
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First principles of empathy only work is the money tree is d...
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Are you even familiar with the social contract bro? Literall...
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  06/19/18
Wtf it's not about empathy vs order. Even if you grant liber...
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  06/19/18
Obvious false flag. Risten rong time trumpmo but it's rerry...
Topaz vigorous blood rage selfie
  06/19/18
Try reading the thread first
razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
I did. Your idiocy leads me to believe either effete azn or ...
Topaz vigorous blood rage selfie
  06/19/18
Go on
razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
You just have to turn it if you want to debate on their term...
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  06/19/18
what a complete load of horseshit. it's tougher to counter ...
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I agree with you, I think I was too zoomed in to articulate ...
razzle-dazzle state son of senegal
  06/19/18
"The economics of the future are somewhat different. Yo...
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  06/19/18
“The line must be drawn - HYEARH!!”
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  06/19/18
Libs want to confiscate your wealth and privilege, limit you...
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  06/19/18
By the way, this world view only works in times of peace and...
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  06/19/18
Basically the message of cobra kai
Contagious main people
  06/19/18
Lol no. They want to be empathetic with other's money and sh...
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  06/19/18
lol tick tock trumpfags 48 more hours of toddlers in c...
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  06/19/18
Lol. U jealous of Miller?
nudist galvanic nursing home
  06/20/18
yea man an ugly bald jew grinds my gears all day long
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  06/20/18
I felt okay for like 12 hours. FUCK LIBS again
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  06/20/18


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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:27 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

The lib line of argument is still nearly impossible to counter, because it relies on first-principles of empathy and kindness. Our first-principles are law and order, justice, freedom, community. It depends on us saying "we want to maintain or increase our already-high QOL and not sacrifice anything to allow a significant boost in the QOL of these minority populations". It's inherently selfish and unsympathetic. And we can defend that, but we're always going to sound like selfish pricks. It's rational, IMO, when you think the pie isn't growing anymore, to not want to give up any of your piece, but it is hard to defend morally.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272301)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:48 PM
Author: Twisted mentally impaired legend antidepressant drug

Very well said. I ran here to say that the modern liberal would impose kindliness above all else upon everyone. "If we could all just hug everybody else more, this would fix everything."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274119)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: aromatic cream plaza dingle berry

it's easy AF to counter, the problem is libs are mentally ill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272305)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: Irate wine school idiot

Shut the fuck up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272306)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: Costumed Laughsome Electric Furnace Native

lol the only reason it's "tough to counter" is because Jewish communists have controlled america's culture industry since the 50s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272313)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:49 PM
Author: charcoal travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272442)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 5:41 PM
Author: adventurous point

Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273798)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:00 PM
Author: hyperactive offensive resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274452)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:23 PM
Author: Soul-stirring bisexual step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274645)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: talented sienna sweet tailpipe

Agreed, the hardest point to refute is the claim that you’re ok with someone’s life being terrible due to where they were born in the world and the fact that it was just misfortune that they are there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272315)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: passionate rambunctious philosopher-king

Except everyone, including libs, is implicitly OK with this. The members of the big media outlets you see on TV and in columns live on 300k salaries while people right outside their offices sleep on the street.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272360)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: red trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272391)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: Massive mischievous wagecucks ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272395)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: Startled generalized bond national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273188)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: Twisted mentally impaired legend antidepressant drug

The idea that it's better to let 99 guilty men evade punishment than to wrongly imprison 1 innocent man may not translate well from legal philosophy to a broader social engineering sphere, as it touches on the liberal notion that, while handouts do engender some unwanted laziness, yet they provide difference-making help to fewer albeit good people earnestly giving it their all. It may simply be a trade-off that is not scalable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274143)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: red trailer park

Good poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272316)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: multi-colored hateful shrine

leftism is about power, not empathy/kindness, never cede the moral high ground

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272377)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:43 PM
Author: sadistic mediation

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272406)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:46 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

In practice I agree, democrats just want more votes, but as obvious as that is to us, it still relies on a conspiratorial argument, and doesn't address the empathy arguments by true-believer libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272425)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:07 PM
Author: Twisted mentally impaired legend antidepressant drug

Maybe the true believers defined as such by thier being susceptible to ad misericordia are actually a small and impotent minority of emotionally led folk swimming naievely among a larger stake of liberals who are seeking only power.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274194)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

That seems highly likely. And I'd boil it down to tribalism again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274268)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:47 PM
Author: Claret exciting sandwich rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272432)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:03 PM
Author: Contagious main people

have to be careful using this argument - it's the same argument that folks on the radical left use to recast your stated interest in things like honor and competence as "dog whistles" for racism and misogyny

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272529)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:04 PM
Author: red trailer park

O so you mean its a wildly effective tactic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272534)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: Contagious main people

i'm interested in a sustainable compromise with the left, not all out scorched earth victory

but yes - attributing bad faith to your political opposite no matter the circumstance is very effective if the latter is your goal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272546)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:08 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272558)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:09 PM
Author: red trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272563)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: swashbuckling sepia pit

yeah same here

i am eagerly awaiting a reasonable, sustainable compromise with the left

any day now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272640)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:40 PM
Author: Contagious main people

you can't just wait for it

each side has to find a way to demonstrate to the other how their respective values are useful

really hard to do this on the level of social media interaction, but pretty easy to do in small communities

my new gf of about 1 year saved me from a bottomless pit of despair by just being insanely caring and loving

i'm not nearly as empathetic as she is, but i now really appreciate what empathy can do for people. in other words, i'm no lib but can see how their first principles - taken at face value as op describes them - are good for the world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272717)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:50 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

Same situation here actually. I was/have been just such an angry person lately, angry at the world and the state of things, and our raging actually just ends up distancing us from those closest to us. My mom said I seemed like a different person (for the worse) when I visited over Christmas and felt comfortable railing against libs; the few and limited political discussions I've had with my gf concerned her; and finally talking to my friend last night making me realize I've lost sight of much of my rationality because of senseless anger against libs. I feel like I'm waking from a rage-coma or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272777)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: Contagious main people



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273870)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:53 PM
Author: swashbuckling sepia pit

i'm flaming you dude, waiting for leftists to reasonably compromise on anything is like waiting for a 300 pound woman to grow wings and fly into space

anybody with a brain knows that "empathy" is not a real thing. cognitive "empathy" is just the human capability to abstractly think multiple steps ahead, combined with a robust theory of mind, in order to calculate the existential state of people other than yourself. in short: the smarter you are, the more "empathy" you have. it's not some kind of magical property of human personality that individuals have more or less of, independent of intelligence.

regular people are never going to have anything other than superficial "empathy" that operates on their emotions and feelings, rather than their abstract thought, because they are dumb and suck at thinking. i really don't give a shit about what they "think" about anything, and neither should you or anyone else

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272800)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:02 PM
Author: Contagious main people

wikipedia has an interesting entry on the difference between "cognitive" and "affective" empathy that's worth reading. to illustrate the difference: high functioning sociopaths have high cognitive empathy but no affective empathy (they don't actually feel another's pain). autists, by contrast, tend to have high affective empathy but low cognitive empathy (they "love genuinely" but struggle to model human behavior using, e.g., social cues).

sure, both types are probably just survival tools, but at least affective empathy can claim to give you some sense of purpose in life, especially when material / egocentric pursuits cease to satisfy (as they have in my case)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273911)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:12 PM
Author: Twisted mentally impaired legend antidepressant drug

Most concise yet informative subthread of the year candidate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274218)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:49 PM
Author: Vermilion arousing business firm

Conservatives are more empathetic than liberals though- at least by percentage of charitable giving metric. The idea that liberals care for other people is a myth. Liberals don’t care about the poor, they just hate the rich.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273164)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:08 PM
Author: Contagious main people

I dont think thats a very useful metric

Ratio of charitable giving v means may be more relevant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274206)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:27 PM
Author: Vermilion arousing business firm

Right. On a means basis, conservatives are more charitable. In other words, even controlling for income conservatives are more generous. My guess is a lot of that comes from religion. In addition, being a “liberal” is a way of signaling that you are virtuous without having to actually be virtuous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274283)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:32 PM
Author: Contagious main people

Interesting. Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274306)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: Vermilion arousing business firm

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274909)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:55 PM
Author: Costumed Laughsome Electric Furnace Native

(((a sustainable compromise))) is a 90% mudpeople America with no taxes or social services

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273194)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: Startled generalized bond national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273189)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:44 PM
Author: sadistic mediation

LJL at this horseshit. Your “empathy” and “kindness” results in gulags and death by starvation everywhere you try it. The best counter to shitlibs is reality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272418)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:48 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

I'm not lib, but I'm saying why it's hard to argue against it, because our conservatism is inherently self-serving and insular, while at face-value their worldview is not

Idk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272439)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: sadistic mediation

At face value it’s not? Every policy they suggest involves stealing resources from hardworking people to distribute such spoils to their voting base.

And conservatism is self-serving?

Yes, a lot of people fall for shitlibs propaganda. But that does not mean that their positions have any basis in morality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272470)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:20 PM
Author: Twisted mentally impaired legend antidepressant drug

This is the crux, right here. It's a form of theft, what they advocate, pure and simple. The paradox is that one may become a better neighbor by first looking after himself foremost.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274251)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:20 PM
Author: Silver stock car tanning salon

The Reagan formulation, which is lost to years of betrayal and incompetence by GOP establishment cucks, is that the basic value of “first do no harm” is incomprehensible to the lib mindset. The issue is that the lib mindset is better positioned to make use of a crisis. The traditional GOP has to establish dominance by being essentially better trusted as a steward of American dominance as the lone superpower. Now that the Bushes and Obama have basically flushed that advantage we’re left with an identity politics fight over a shrinking pie.

The thing is that Americans hate this and much prefer feeling like the top dog special snowflake. The party that finds a way to pivot to that and deliver on its core promises will wreck the other one, and long terms Dem have a leg up though I basically expect them to fuck it up given their track record over the last 40 years and the current leaders on their side.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272620)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: self-centered institution

not really. libs are ALWAYS hypocritical in one way or another you just have to call them out on it. see above for e.g. also use tales of white woe from ARE hollowed-out heartland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272458)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:54 PM
Author: self-centered institution

more generally, ANY political worldview that claims to have the "moral high ground" will always be vulnerable to criticisms it can't be consistently applied across all circumstances.

politics (and morality for that matter) ultimately comes down to some form of self-interest/tribal interest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272475)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:09 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

And thus the truth of the matter. But white people aren't allowed to support their tribe while others can, and the argument is always that whites already have enough and should make sacrifices so others can gain

You can argue that democrats'/libs' methods of redistribution or empowerment are shit, but not really their first principles - unless you're willing to be labeled a white nationalist/race realist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272566)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:26 PM
Author: Contagious main people

i think the concept of white privilege actually has some teeth to it...but it shouldn't be tolerated as an inexhaustible source of lib outrage. if libs want to weaponize it, then they need to establish ground rules for actually settling the damn issue. otherwise, they're just debt collectors who don't want to give their debtors a way out. Jordan Peterson tried to get at this with Michael Eric Dyson during the Munk debates, but Dyson waved him off (to much applause), arguing that any attempt to quantify and finally settle the issue of white privilege was to be "complicit" with the privilege itself. one of the most sanctimonious and transparently self-serving things i've ever heard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272646)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: boyish potus azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274441)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:04 PM
Author: maroon marvelous den

Libs have gotten to you breh. Ljl at thinking white privilege is a credible concept

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36275539)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:29 PM
Author: Thirsty Useless Brakes Range

How is white privilege different from majority privilege?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36275674)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:30 PM
Author: maroon marvelous den

Whites have created laws and policies which explicitly discriminate against themselves, something no other majority group has done

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36275682)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: Contagious main people

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-dont-know-how-to-explain-to-you-that-you-should_us_59519811e4b0f078efd98440

insightful poast

when you realize you're operating from different first principles, you need to stop arguing and start negotiating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272464)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:15 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

Tribalism has ramped up 10x with identity politics, which seemingly has taken negotiations completely off the table. And that's my biggest issue, I think, and why I'm so reactionarily opposed to modern liberalism, is that there IS no compromise or negotiating anymore. You disagree with them anywhere, and you are a vile racist. Lib reaction has pushed me harder right than any policy position, and from that I realize I'm often taking an emotional, irrational, reactionary stance on things, rather than a rational middleground. I think this applies to many of us, and we should be aware of that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272597)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Silver stock car tanning salon

This is far more self reflection than people on this site have been capable of in many years or maybe they’ve never been capable of it. You seem like a false flag.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272641)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:29 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

I'm really not

I had a long phonecall with my best friend from college last night, politics came up, and I couldn't articulate anything because I knew the first principles I was/am operating under are trying to preserve white identity/community/country for my own self interest, and that's not exactly defensible and ignores reality. Xo has made me a rage-filled, reactionary, cumskin dork, unfortunately, whose operating principle has been "FUCK LIBS." That's not sustainable in any way. Self reflection is my only way out

For example, my friend asked me why I support trump; all I could say was "he wants to shutter illegal immigration, and he makes libs furious and has revealed their true, fascist colors." That's my worldview now? It's pathetic. The thread about "has your life been better since Trump?" also had me thinking about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272668)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:16 PM
Author: Curious shitlib

What exactly is wrong with preserving community and country? You can do that without being racist.

Concerning identity, the only people that aren't allowed to celebrate their own cultures are white Americans, and various European cucks.

You've bought into the great liberal lie that white people should be feel guilty for simply for existing. This isn't about morality, which shifts in the wind for libs. It's about them controlling you.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273991)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:02 PM
Author: boyish potus azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274465)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:30 PM
Author: Thirsty Useless Brakes Range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36275683)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:22 PM
Author: Contagious main people



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274009)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:23 PM
Author: Stirring pink field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274012)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:27 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good bawdyhouse haunted graveyard

cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272650)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Contagious main people



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272669)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:15 PM
Author: nudist galvanic nursing home

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273982)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:23 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good bawdyhouse haunted graveyard

they problem is that they want you to care about EVERYBODY when, in truth, that's impossible. and they refuse to accept that you really only care about those around you. that's hard pill truth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272634)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: Stimulating rose casino

But how are you supposed to negotiate if there are no shared principles?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36275290)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:39 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Toilet Seat Tattoo

Nonsense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272714)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 2:48 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Medicated Knife

I don’t think you have to deny that you have a moral duty to help humanity at large, only that the best way to do that is mass third world immigration.

If it were the case that you could magically open the borders and everyone would join our nation to form a cohesive, patriotic, productive whole that was greater than the sum of its parts, then yeah you’d have no case. But this probably isn’t realistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36272765)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 5:17 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273682)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 5:27 PM
Author: Fuchsia Exhilarant Senate Corn Cake

the problem is that libs are blank-slaters and don't believe that demographics have anything to do with the nature or performance of a given society (except as a function of white racism which suppresses nonwhites). when that's your initial assumption, you will end up with lots of wacky policy positions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273729)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 5:39 PM
Author: Bateful stead striped hyena

(grand wizard klan-dood)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273786)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:08 PM
Author: hyperactive offensive resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274536)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 5:46 PM
Author: adventurous point

Maybe if you’re retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273832)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:04 PM
Author: Very tactful keepsake machete death wish

"You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility."

"You admire it."

"I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273916)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:04 PM
Author: Very tactful keepsake machete death wish

"Last word."

"What?"

"I can't lie to you about your chances, but... you have my sympathies."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273918)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:16 PM
Author: nudist galvanic nursing home

Source?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273990)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:20 PM
Author: Contagious main people

Alien (1979)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274003)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:06 PM
Author: high-end diverse dog poop incel

not really.

I personally destroy it on the daily stormer (dailystormer.name) on a, well, daily basis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273929)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:19 PM
Author: Stirring pink field

Smart posting here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36273999)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:22 PM
Author: motley garrison

First principles of empathy only work is the money tree is dropping gibbs for everyone in perpetuity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274006)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:07 PM
Author: maroon marvelous den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36275567)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 11:54 AM
Author: Coral roast beef house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36277958)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Spectacular flickering base immigrant

Are you even familiar with the social contract bro? Literally the only function of government is to serve its own people. Being empathetic and kind to foreigners is something that other people are welcome to do on their own time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274030)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Wild disrespectful rehab

Wtf it's not about empathy vs order. Even if you grant liberal objectives liberalism is not the best way to attain them. It's methodologically flawed. It's wishful thinking about ends (which are virtuous) pervades is methods and thereby fail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274267)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:26 PM
Author: Topaz vigorous blood rage selfie

Obvious false flag. Risten rong time trumpmo but it's rerry rerry hard to argue against ah ribs since they are ah so interrigent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274280)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:26 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

Try reading the thread first

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274282)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Topaz vigorous blood rage selfie

I did. Your idiocy leads me to believe either effete azn or Spaceporn alt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274288)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 7:31 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

Go on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274296)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:02 PM
Author: heady white area

You just have to turn it if you want to debate on their terms. Show that the policy is unkind or lacks empathy to others (or possible even those directly at issue).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274468)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:10 PM
Author: disturbing famous landscape painting

what a complete load of horseshit. it's tougher to counter if you play into their frame of incrementalism but easy when you aggregate all their shit policies into one single dystopian vision

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274554)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:54 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

I agree with you, I think I was too zoomed in to articulate this actually. And it's why I'm still not and will never be or vote lib. The thread ends up more about me tempering my angry FUCK LIBS mindset. Idk. Also whether Trump is actually addressing this efficiently, or at all

Care to articulate this further actually? So I can steal it of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274814)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:21 PM
Author: Very tactful keepsake machete death wish

"The economics of the future are somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century."

"No money? You mean, you don't get paid?"

"The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force of our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274630)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 8:25 PM
Author: mind-boggling hominid mexican

“The line must be drawn - HYEARH!!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274662)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: Unhinged theater stage

Libs want to confiscate your wealth and privilege, limit your opportunities to succeed on your own merit, and expose you and your family to higher rates of crime. Where is the empathy and kindness in that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274852)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: Unhinged theater stage

By the way, this world view only works in times of peace and prosperity, when people don't feel threatened. You lose either of those, and people look for the strong to lead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36274906)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: Contagious main people

Basically the message of cobra kai

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36275256)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:14 PM
Author: maroon marvelous den

Lol no. They want to be empathetic with other's money and shrink the pie overall. The economic system that they despise has done more to lift shitskins out of poverty than all their hand waving and pontificating. In fact, the economic system they advocate has been proven to do nothing but lead to devastation and death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36275605)



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Date: June 19th, 2018 11:30 PM
Author: puce stag film

lol

tick tock trumpfags

48 more hours of toddlers in cages crying and you're fucking done here

figure it out and stop letting a racist faggot duke kike run your domestic policy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36275681)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:43 AM
Author: nudist galvanic nursing home

Lol. U jealous of Miller?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36277423)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:44 AM
Author: puce stag film

yea man an ugly bald jew grinds my gears all day long

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36277432)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:21 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle state son of senegal

I felt okay for like 12 hours. FUCK LIBS again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4005561&forum_id=2#36276376)