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midlaw is fucking horrible.

workday is around 8am - 7/8; with an hour or so at night to ...
cocky ticket booth
  06/20/18
Ljl
Vivacious House
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free-loading magical old irish cottage hell
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French university yarmulke
  06/20/18
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ruby wagecucks
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Odious Hairless Weed Whacker
  06/20/18
midlaw is a uniquely terrible place yes.
Insecure Property Dysfunction
  06/20/18
Are you in T1 city?
maroon abnormal parlour
  06/20/18
Mfh, so I also get crushed on col and get styled on by finan...
cocky ticket booth
  06/20/18
Yep that's your problem. Move to Louisville and live your be...
maroon abnormal parlour
  06/20/18
i was at two midlaw firms - one regional full-service firm w...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
>> workload at both was about the same as in biglaw bu...
bronze zombie-like stage
  06/20/18
It's not just a slightly better chance at breakfast. 75% of ...
cerebral self-absorbed school cafeteria
  06/20/18
i agree. there'd be no reason to be in midlaw unless partner...
bronze zombie-like stage
  06/20/18
i dunno, assuming you're making like $190-230k as a partner ...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
well but then you're making my point, which is that there's ...
bronze zombie-like stage
  06/20/18
Firms that pay partners $200K in expensive cities like NYC &...
cerebral self-absorbed school cafeteria
  06/20/18
yeah i have to agree. i mean, shit, i have a friend who ...
bronze zombie-like stage
  06/20/18
i highly doubt there are any midlaw firms paying those kind ...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
i actually wouldn't call where he works an elite boutique, b...
bronze zombie-like stage
  06/20/18
yeah, if you are in it for the long haul midlaw might be the...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
the national L&E firms aren't true midlaw. The model is ...
cerebral self-absorbed school cafeteria
  06/20/18
well let me say this about the regional midlaw firm i was at...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
Don't only 2 out of 120 people in each biglaw class make par...
pontificating bearded haunted graveyard
  06/20/18
Law is awful and we must escape, brother. We must.
appetizing brindle station
  06/20/18
I had a midlaw gig once that was about 40-50hrs week (in off...
bateful church patrolman
  06/20/18
Been at it few months now. One associate told me it’s always...
cocky ticket booth
  06/20/18
8-8 in MFH? At least cop dat 10-8 biglaw gig.
soul-stirring trump supporter
  06/20/18
I know. I never actually did “biglaw” in the truest sense bu...
cocky ticket booth
  06/20/18
I can confirm. Although hours not as dad as yours. I’m still...
chocolate yapping internal respiration
  06/20/18
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pea-brained startling temple
  06/20/18
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French university yarmulke
  06/20/18
I remember talking to a recruiter once about a midsize firm ...
bateful church patrolman
  06/20/18
jesus, and the reality is always worse than a recruiter's de...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
Leave earls life choices alone please.
frozen rebellious trailer park
  06/20/18
...
pea-brained startling temple
  06/20/18
I'm thinking about leaving a low six-figure government job f...
Shivering Gay Wizard Water Buffalo
  06/20/18
wait
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
Advise me.
Shivering Gay Wizard Water Buffalo
  06/20/18
tough call without knowing anything about the firm. leaving...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
Thanks, man. Not stretched for cash at all. Just feeling the...
Shivering Gay Wizard Water Buffalo
  06/20/18
nothing entreprenurial about going to work for a firm brothe...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
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pea-brained startling temple
  06/20/18
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cerebral self-absorbed school cafeteria
  06/20/18
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ruby wagecucks
  06/20/18
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costumed nursing home prole
  06/20/18
I get it, but it is more so than government work.
Shivering Gay Wizard Water Buffalo
  06/20/18
yes, but only nominally. i'm a partner (with some equity co...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
and don't fool yourself - that wider array of work will just...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18
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pea-brained startling temple
  06/20/18
in what ways are these partners mentally ill? how can they m...
Canary frisky indian lodge
  06/20/18
They measure their self worth by their work. Every deal/case...
bateful church patrolman
  06/20/18
well put...and depressing.
Insecure Property Dysfunction
  06/20/18
I know this type. There simply must be fewer of them at regi...
Shivering Gay Wizard Water Buffalo
  06/20/18
Weird, I would think a fair number of partners are there for...
pea-brained startling temple
  06/20/18
they're treated like bitches by their clients and they take ...
aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon
  06/20/18


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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:00 AM
Author: cocky ticket booth

workday is around 8am - 7/8; with an hour or so at night to finish up emails, etc.. once a week work til like 9/10; a couple hours ever Saturday to play catch-up. I’m basically white knuckled to the keyboard all day too nonstop. Oh and I get 50k less than biglaw.

At least the window opens all the way and I’m on the 20th floor...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276817)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Vivacious House

Ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276876)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 1:54 PM
Author: free-loading magical old irish cottage hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36278825)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 2:08 PM
Author: French university yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36278952)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:13 PM
Author: ruby wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280618)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:17 PM
Author: Odious Hairless Weed Whacker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280638)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: Insecure Property Dysfunction

midlaw is a uniquely terrible place yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276831)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:06 AM
Author: maroon abnormal parlour

Are you in T1 city?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276835)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: cocky ticket booth

Mfh, so I also get crushed on col and get styled on by finance bros.

The window begins to creep up...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276852)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: maroon abnormal parlour

Yep that's your problem. Move to Louisville and live your best life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276923)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:07 AM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

i was at two midlaw firms - one regional full-service firm with ~200 attorneys, and then a national L&E firm. workload at both was about the same as in biglaw but for much less money, and somewhat better prospects for obtaining dat breakfast.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276838)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: bronze zombie-like stage

>> workload at both was about the same as in biglaw but for much less money, and somewhat better prospects for obtaining dat breakfast. <<

but isn't that why most people are in biglaw past, say, 4th or 5th year?

the benefit to biglaw and midlaw is partnership and being able to build a book and realize more of your billings.

a partner i worked for when i first started told me that the true benefit to biglaw was the partnership prospects and not the associate salaries. his feeling was that, past a certain point, the work and the clients are just way too demanding for it to make sense to keep working in biglaw for $400k as an of counsel or whatever, and that if you didn't see yourself getting to the point where you made $1M+ then you should look for a better job.

i think that's pretty accurate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276853)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:14 AM
Author: cerebral self-absorbed school cafeteria

It's not just a slightly better chance at breakfast. 75% of the midlaw bros in my class year are partner, and have been for a couple of years.

But "partner" doesn't mean the same thing in midlaw. I have cases against a couple of 32 yo midlaw partners who are still doing the discovery work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276869)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:21 AM
Author: bronze zombie-like stage

i agree. there'd be no reason to be in midlaw unless partnership prospects were higher, and i'd MUCH rather be a partner in midlaw than a senior assoc/of counsel in biglaw, for a whole host of reasons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276904)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

i dunno, assuming you're making like $190-230k as a partner in midlaw, i might just take the $$$$ as counsel in biglaw, bank it and move out of this faggot ass profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276915)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: bronze zombie-like stage

well but then you're making my point, which is that there's no reason to stay if you're not in it for partnership

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276922)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:27 AM
Author: cerebral self-absorbed school cafeteria

Firms that pay partners $200K in expensive cities like NYC & DC aren't midlaw, that's shitlaw. Midlaw pays more than that in my bombed-out flyover ghost town.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276945)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: bronze zombie-like stage

yeah i have to agree.

i mean, shit, i have a friend who is at a transactional boutique in the NYC metro where new partners are making about $400k and the avg partner takes home $1M, and that's way smaller than midlaw even.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276967)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:34 AM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

i highly doubt there are any midlaw firms paying those kind of salaries - that is biglaw money. you are talking about an elite boutique.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276986)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: bronze zombie-like stage

i actually wouldn't call where he works an elite boutique, but he has a good gig.

according to him they have very low overhead and some good clients and thus make very good money year to year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36277001)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:15 AM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

yeah, if you are in it for the long haul midlaw might be the way to go.

having said that, i left the L&E firm just as i was about to make partner - that firm caps nonequity parter salary at $250k (nationwide, so you can live in DC/NY/SF and that is your cap, just like the insurance defense partner in nebraska). i left for a middling v100 firm and was making about that as a senior associate. firm also makes it near-impossible to make equity - you basically have to be a rainmaker, in which case you might as well go to a better firm and make more money.

i also made partner at the biglaw firm right after the 2-year waiting period expired, for what it's worth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276873)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:18 AM
Author: cerebral self-absorbed school cafeteria

the national L&E firms aren't true midlaw. The model is completely different. In a way they're more like traditional corporations than anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276889)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:21 AM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

well let me say this about the regional midlaw firm i was at - i wasn't there long enough to even be thinking about making partner, but i know plenty of people who stayed there. first year partners make under $200k, and there are a bunch of equity partners making like $220k.

the comp is very similar at both of these shithouse firms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276905)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:18 PM
Author: pontificating bearded haunted graveyard

Don't only 2 out of 120 people in each biglaw class make partner? How much better are the odds in midlaw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279494)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: appetizing brindle station

Law is awful and we must escape, brother. We must.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276858)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: bateful church patrolman

I had a midlaw gig once that was about 40-50hrs week (in office) with zero weekends ever. I always thought that was the norm until I heard from other bros who dropped from big to mid and reported horror stories such as yours. How long you been at firm? - maybe it’s just a busy patch brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36277088)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:15 AM
Author: cocky ticket booth

Been at it few months now. One associate told me it’s always like this. fml.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36277217)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:38 AM
Author: soul-stirring trump supporter

8-8 in MFH?

At least cop dat 10-8 biglaw gig.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36277386)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:40 AM
Author: cocky ticket booth

I know. I never actually did “biglaw” in the truest sense but can’t imagine it’s that much worse than this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36277405)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:09 PM
Author: chocolate yapping internal respiration

I can confirm. Although hours not as dad as yours. I’m still expected to stay late into night if anything comes up (even if not necessarily urgent).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36278067)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 2:08 PM
Author: pea-brained startling temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36278950)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 2:09 PM
Author: French university yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36278959)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: bateful church patrolman

I remember talking to a recruiter once about a midsize firm that she described as great work/life balance. I asked what kind of hours and she told me "not bad, usually in at 8:30 or so and out at 7ish. The forty hour work week remains a mystery to this "profession"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279583)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:32 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

jesus, and the reality is always worse than a recruiter's description.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279597)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:32 PM
Author: frozen rebellious trailer park

Leave earls life choices alone please.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279593)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:44 PM
Author: pea-brained startling temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36281055)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: Shivering Gay Wizard Water Buffalo

I'm thinking about leaving a low six-figure government job for midlaw of counsel/partner. I work pretty hard as government jobs go, but I'd have to hustle my ass off to build a book of business at the firm. Once I do that, the money should be 2 or 3 times greater. Worth it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279618)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:50 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

wait

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279744)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: Shivering Gay Wizard Water Buffalo

Advise me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279763)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

tough call without knowing anything about the firm. leaving gov is always a crapshoot. if you feel stretched for cash, then probably go ahead and do it (i live in the DC area, have a babby and one on the way and couldn't afford to live a decent life on low six figs). if not, then don't fuck with your situation nigger.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279936)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:21 PM
Author: Shivering Gay Wizard Water Buffalo

Thanks, man. Not stretched for cash at all. Just feeling the entrepreneurial itch and would enjoy doing a broader array of work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280250)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:27 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

nothing entreprenurial about going to work for a firm brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280296)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:33 PM
Author: pea-brained startling temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280324)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:12 PM
Author: cerebral self-absorbed school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280614)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:13 PM
Author: ruby wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280617)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:14 PM
Author: costumed nursing home prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280626)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:17 PM
Author: Shivering Gay Wizard Water Buffalo

I get it, but it is more so than government work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280636)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:18 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

yes, but only nominally. i'm a partner (with some equity component to my comp) at a v100 firm in DC. i am 100% a service partner bitch nigger. i have no illusions about that. although i am a partner, at the end of the day i'm just an employee dependent on someone else.

the chances that you rise beyond that are negligible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280646)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:17 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

and don't fool yourself - that wider array of work will just be mind-numbing drudgery with moments of interesting/intellectually challenging assignments.

plus a good number of your coworkers, particularly the partners, and particularly partners who control business and are therefore untouchable, will be mentally ill assholes. i know there are a lot of weirdos in govt (did both my law school summer jobs with the feds), but law firm partners are a whole different animal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280637)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:29 PM
Author: pea-brained startling temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280713)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Canary frisky indian lodge

in what ways are these partners mentally ill? how can they maintain clients if they are ill?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280739)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:46 PM
Author: bateful church patrolman

They measure their self worth by their work. Every deal/case is personal. It’s not just a job to them - it’s their hobby, their wife, their brother, their outlet, their everything. They thinki nothing of missing daily family events because the “file always comes first”.. of course they take the occasional early day to watch some dance recital or graduation but those are few and far between and are mostly just so they can say they care about their kids (they don’t); and overall they have no contact to any typical day - they seek out deal trophies, not family photos.

For example, I once told my partner that I couldn’t sit in on call because I had to leave by certain time that one day. He was ok but casually referred to it as “leaving early”.... it was 6pm.

Now, given all that, imagine what it’s like to be an associate who just wants to leave at five everyday.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280798)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: Insecure Property Dysfunction

well put...and depressing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280809)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: Shivering Gay Wizard Water Buffalo

I know this type. There simply must be fewer of them at regional midlaw firms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280844)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:14 PM
Author: pea-brained startling temple

Weird, I would think a fair number of partners are there for the paycheck and don’t really Take it personally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280935)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse dragon

they're treated like bitches by their clients and they take it as such.

they take all this shit out on people working under them.

my firm has very few of these, and i don't work with any, but every firm has its share.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280813)