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midlaw is fucking horrible.
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:00 AM Author: talented sticky hell mood workday is around 8am - 7/8; with an hour or so at night to finish up emails, etc.. once a week work til like 9/10; a couple hours ever Saturday to play catch-up. I’m basically white knuckled to the keyboard all day too nonstop. Oh and I get 50k less than biglaw.
At least the window opens all the way and I’m on the 20th floor... |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:16 AM Author: sepia principal's office Ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276876) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: contagious boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36278825) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: metal legal warrant regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36278952) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:13 PM Author: 180 geriatric twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280618) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:17 PM Author: startling field puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280638) |
Date: June 20th, 2018 9:05 AM Author: flushed coffee pot nowag midlaw is a uniquely terrible place yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276831) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:06 AM Author: Trip ultramarine theater Are you in T1 city? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276835) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:12 AM Author: talented sticky hell mood Mfh, so I also get crushed on col and get styled on by finance bros.
The window begins to creep up... |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:23 AM Author: Trip ultramarine theater Yep that's your problem. Move to Louisville and live your best life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276923) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:07 AM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath i was at two midlaw firms - one regional full-service firm with ~200 attorneys, and then a national L&E firm. workload at both was about the same as in biglaw but for much less money, and somewhat better prospects for obtaining dat breakfast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276838) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:12 AM Author: Cordovan Bateful Abode Indirect Expression >> workload at both was about the same as in biglaw but for much less money, and somewhat better prospects for obtaining dat breakfast. <<
but isn't that why most people are in biglaw past, say, 4th or 5th year?
the benefit to biglaw and midlaw is partnership and being able to build a book and realize more of your billings.
a partner i worked for when i first started told me that the true benefit to biglaw was the partnership prospects and not the associate salaries. his feeling was that, past a certain point, the work and the clients are just way too demanding for it to make sense to keep working in biglaw for $400k as an of counsel or whatever, and that if you didn't see yourself getting to the point where you made $1M+ then you should look for a better job.
i think that's pretty accurate. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:14 AM Author: Useless racy patrolman keepsake machete It's not just a slightly better chance at breakfast. 75% of the midlaw bros in my class year are partner, and have been for a couple of years.
But "partner" doesn't mean the same thing in midlaw. I have cases against a couple of 32 yo midlaw partners who are still doing the discovery work. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:21 AM Author: Cordovan Bateful Abode Indirect Expression i agree. there'd be no reason to be in midlaw unless partnership prospects were higher, and i'd MUCH rather be a partner in midlaw than a senior assoc/of counsel in biglaw, for a whole host of reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276904) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:22 AM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath i dunno, assuming you're making like $190-230k as a partner in midlaw, i might just take the $$$$ as counsel in biglaw, bank it and move out of this faggot ass profession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276915) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:23 AM Author: Cordovan Bateful Abode Indirect Expression well but then you're making my point, which is that there's no reason to stay if you're not in it for partnership (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276922) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:27 AM Author: Useless racy patrolman keepsake machete Firms that pay partners $200K in expensive cities like NYC & DC aren't midlaw, that's shitlaw. Midlaw pays more than that in my bombed-out flyover ghost town. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276945) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:31 AM Author: Cordovan Bateful Abode Indirect Expression yeah i have to agree.
i mean, shit, i have a friend who is at a transactional boutique in the NYC metro where new partners are making about $400k and the avg partner takes home $1M, and that's way smaller than midlaw even. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:34 AM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath i highly doubt there are any midlaw firms paying those kind of salaries - that is biglaw money. you are talking about an elite boutique. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276986) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Cordovan Bateful Abode Indirect Expression i actually wouldn't call where he works an elite boutique, but he has a good gig.
according to him they have very low overhead and some good clients and thus make very good money year to year |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:15 AM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath yeah, if you are in it for the long haul midlaw might be the way to go.
having said that, i left the L&E firm just as i was about to make partner - that firm caps nonequity parter salary at $250k (nationwide, so you can live in DC/NY/SF and that is your cap, just like the insurance defense partner in nebraska). i left for a middling v100 firm and was making about that as a senior associate. firm also makes it near-impossible to make equity - you basically have to be a rainmaker, in which case you might as well go to a better firm and make more money.
i also made partner at the biglaw firm right after the 2-year waiting period expired, for what it's worth. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:18 AM Author: Useless racy patrolman keepsake machete the national L&E firms aren't true midlaw. The model is completely different. In a way they're more like traditional corporations than anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276889) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:21 AM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath well let me say this about the regional midlaw firm i was at - i wasn't there long enough to even be thinking about making partner, but i know plenty of people who stayed there. first year partners make under $200k, and there are a bunch of equity partners making like $220k.
the comp is very similar at both of these shithouse firms. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:18 PM Author: buff godawful water buffalo Don't only 2 out of 120 people in each biglaw class make partner? How much better are the odds in midlaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279494) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:12 AM Author: Nudist Narrow-minded Stag Film Doctorate Law is awful and we must escape, brother. We must. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36276858) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Fluffy Step-uncle's House I had a midlaw gig once that was about 40-50hrs week (in office) with zero weekends ever. I always thought that was the norm until I heard from other bros who dropped from big to mid and reported horror stories such as yours. How long you been at firm? - maybe it’s just a busy patch brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36277088) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: talented sticky hell mood Been at it few months now. One associate told me it’s always like this. fml. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36277217) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:38 AM Author: Sapphire Rehab Boltzmann 8-8 in MFH?
At least cop dat 10-8 biglaw gig. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: talented sticky hell mood I know. I never actually did “biglaw” in the truest sense but can’t imagine it’s that much worse than this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36277405) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 12:09 PM Author: Domesticated station I can confirm. Although hours not as dad as yours. I’m still expected to stay late into night if anything comes up (even if not necessarily urgent). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36278067) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: sinister athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36278950) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: metal legal warrant regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36278959) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:30 PM Author: Fluffy Step-uncle's House I remember talking to a recruiter once about a midsize firm that she described as great work/life balance. I asked what kind of hours and she told me "not bad, usually in at 8:30 or so and out at 7ish. The forty hour work week remains a mystery to this "profession" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279583) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:32 PM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath jesus, and the reality is always worse than a recruiter's description. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279597) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:32 PM Author: Alcoholic mewling mental disorder Leave earls life choices alone please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279593) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:44 PM Author: sinister athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36281055) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:35 PM Author: Hateful lodge stain I'm thinking about leaving a low six-figure government job for midlaw of counsel/partner. I work pretty hard as government jobs go, but I'd have to hustle my ass off to build a book of business at the firm. Once I do that, the money should be 2 or 3 times greater. Worth it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279618) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath wait (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279744) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: Hateful lodge stain Advise me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279763) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 4:20 PM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath tough call without knowing anything about the firm. leaving gov is always a crapshoot. if you feel stretched for cash, then probably go ahead and do it (i live in the DC area, have a babby and one on the way and couldn't afford to live a decent life on low six figs). if not, then don't fuck with your situation nigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36279936) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:21 PM Author: Hateful lodge stain Thanks, man. Not stretched for cash at all. Just feeling the entrepreneurial itch and would enjoy doing a broader array of work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280250) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:27 PM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath nothing entreprenurial about going to work for a firm brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280296) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:33 PM Author: sinister athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280324) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:12 PM Author: Useless racy patrolman keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280614) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:13 PM Author: 180 geriatric twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280617) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: charismatic police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280626) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:17 PM Author: Hateful lodge stain I get it, but it is more so than government work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280636) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:18 PM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath yes, but only nominally. i'm a partner (with some equity component to my comp) at a v100 firm in DC. i am 100% a service partner bitch nigger. i have no illusions about that. although i am a partner, at the end of the day i'm just an employee dependent on someone else.
the chances that you rise beyond that are negligible. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:17 PM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath and don't fool yourself - that wider array of work will just be mind-numbing drudgery with moments of interesting/intellectually challenging assignments.
plus a good number of your coworkers, particularly the partners, and particularly partners who control business and are therefore untouchable, will be mentally ill assholes. i know there are a lot of weirdos in govt (did both my law school summer jobs with the feds), but law firm partners are a whole different animal. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:29 PM Author: sinister athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280713) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:33 PM Author: Sable Excitant Kitty in what ways are these partners mentally ill? how can they maintain clients if they are ill? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280739) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: Fluffy Step-uncle's House They measure their self worth by their work. Every deal/case is personal. It’s not just a job to them - it’s their hobby, their wife, their brother, their outlet, their everything. They thinki nothing of missing daily family events because the “file always comes first”.. of course they take the occasional early day to watch some dance recital or graduation but those are few and far between and are mostly just so they can say they care about their kids (they don’t); and overall they have no contact to any typical day - they seek out deal trophies, not family photos.
For example, I once told my partner that I couldn’t sit in on call because I had to leave by certain time that one day. He was ok but casually referred to it as “leaving early”.... it was 6pm.
Now, given all that, imagine what it’s like to be an associate who just wants to leave at five everyday. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: flushed coffee pot nowag well put...and depressing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280809) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:54 PM Author: Hateful lodge stain I know this type. There simply must be fewer of them at regional midlaw firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280844) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:14 PM Author: sinister athletic conference Weird, I would think a fair number of partners are there for the paycheck and don’t really Take it personally (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006238&forum_id=2#36280935) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 6:50 PM Author: Maniacal national security agency public bath they're treated like bitches by their clients and they take it as such.
they take all this shit out on people working under them.
my firm has very few of these, and i don't work with any, but every firm has its share. |