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Libs now want the US to establish intake centers on the southern Mexico border

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Think this is the article btw https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...
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pink crackhouse
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unhinged theater stage
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Just do traveling tent cities outside of every war zone in t...
adventurous flatulent senate
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Fuck why not inside the war zones too
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people don't HAVE to traverse all of Mexico. they could app...
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Libs?
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:20 PM
Author: translucent dog poop international law enforcement agency

"so that people can apply for asylum without having to travel the entirety of Mexico"

Good God libs

https://twitter.com/reillyhardy/status/1009544797701406720?s=19

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006705&forum_id=2#36280238)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:21 PM
Author: insecure sound barrier step-uncle's house

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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:08 PM
Author: Dun arousing cumskin



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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Cordovan talented temple clown



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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Vibrant pistol hominid



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Date: June 21st, 2018 7:38 AM
Author: Jade titillating address halford



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Date: June 21st, 2018 12:38 PM
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:23 PM
Author: Multi-colored chestnut corner hissy fit

JFC

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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:26 PM
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Date: June 20th, 2018 5:27 PM
Author: 180 stag film

sounds like it's the LIBS that need to be in the ASYLUM, amirite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006705&forum_id=2#36280290)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:05 PM
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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:07 PM
Author: translucent dog poop international law enforcement agency

Think this is the article btw https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2018/06/20/family-separation-ban-wont-end-the-border-crisis-218838

"Many of the applicants are fleeing real violence, and they deserve to have their claims heard and, if legally and factually supported, granted. The United States could work with Mexico to establish an asylum claim center near Mexico’s southern border. This would provide a safe place for those migrants who are genuinely fleeing violence to present asylum claims to the U.S. or Mexican governments. In addition, the United States could establish an expedited “credible fear” determination process: Those who establish credible fear in their home countries would be sent to the United States to complete the asylum process."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006705&forum_id=2#36280905)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:08 PM
Author: translucent dog poop international law enforcement agency

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Banning Family Separation Won’t End the Border Crisis

Smugglers are going to keep bringing refugees from Central America. Here’s how to stop them—and help the migrants who are fleeing violence.

By NATE BRUGGEMAN and BEN ROHRBAUGH 06/20/2018 03:09 PM EDT

U.S. Border Patrol agents check documents at the Paso Del Norte Port of Entry, in the U.S.-Mexico border in Chihuahua state, Mexico on June 20, 2018. | HERIKA MARTINEZ/AFP/Getty Images

U.S. Border Patrol agents check documents at the Paso Del Norte Port of Entry on the U.S.-Mexico border on June 20, 2018. | HERIKA MARTINEZ/AFP/Getty Images

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Even the Trump administration is now backing away from the immoral and unsustainable policy of separating the families of migrants when prosecuting the parents for illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexican border. That’s welcome, but the current proposals—whether banning family separations or expediting the legal processing of apprehended migrants—fail to address the source of the crisis. For years now, border enforcement and security policy have been upended by hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers, mostly Central American, who arrive each year at our southwest border.

This story, which has been unfolding over the past decade, exploded into view during the Obama administration when tens of thousands of unaccompanied Central American children began to present themselves to Border Patrol agents. This caused a crisis in 2014, with an uproar over images in the news media of crowded Border Patrol stations, children in space blankets, and frustration at government agencies that seemed to be incapable of responding adequately.

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We both worked in Customs and Border Protection during the Obama administration, and one of us coordinated policy on unaccompanied children at the National Security Council from 2014 to 2016. We understand the challenges these types of migrants raise. The surge in asylum seekers at the southwest border has created a situation that is dangerous and inconsistent for migrants and extremely difficult for the government.

The debate over how to respond has been dominated by the extremes. At one extreme are those who want migrants to be punished, ignore our obligations to asylum seekers, and see the migrants as a threat. At the other extreme are many who want anyone who arrives at the southwest border to be able to enter the United States and stay unless they subsequently commit a crime.

Neither of these approaches are appropriate or consistent with our legal and humanitarian obligations. We should face reality: A large number of Central Americans have legitimate asylum claims and will continue to come to the United States. The U.S. government needs to allow them to do so safely and lawfully, and in a way that does not profoundly disrupt border management and security operations. Specifically, instead of waiting for refugees to show up at the border, the United States should process asylum claims in Central America and then bring people with valid claims directly to the United States.

This reflects a basic fact: The federal government is simply not organized to process large numbers of asylum seekers at the U.S.-Mexican border. Our border management system is extremely effective at processing legal trade and travel while also intercepting illegal crossings, but its capabilities were designed to identify and prevent the entry of terrorists and other threats.

Aside from providing a rational process, there are sound law enforcement and humanitarian reasons for directing asylum claimants into the process sooner. Refugees who travel through Central America and Mexico are easy targets for criminal predation. Gangs target them for robbery and kidnap, and horrific stories of assault and rape are too common. Further, asylum claimants often hire human smuggling organizations to help them through Mexico and across the U.S.-Mexico border. The thousands of dollars asylum claimants pay smugglers feed the organized crime problem in Mexico. Earlier engagement with asylum claimants can help break the cycle of criminality.

If structured appropriately, a new asylum process could act as a meaningful deterrent for illegal crossing and bogus asylum claims. The United States could require claimants in Central America to make their claims at designated U.S. facilities. A claimant who travels to the U.S. border to make a claim would not be eligible for U.S. asylum, and could claim asylum only in Mexico as the first safe country the claimant encountered. This would provide a major incentive for migrants to use legitimate channels. And families would not need to be separated.

Provisions could also be made for the safety of migrants who have to leave their homes because of imminent threats. Many of the applicants are fleeing real violence, and they deserve to have their claims heard and, if legally and factually supported, granted. The United States could work with Mexico to establish an asylum claim center near Mexico’s southern border. This would provide a safe place for those migrants who are genuinely fleeing violence to present asylum claims to the U.S. or Mexican governments. In addition, the United States could establish an expedited “credible fear” determination process: Those who establish credible fear in their home countries would be sent to the United States to complete the asylum process.

Such a process would require significant resources, of course. The State Department and Department of Homeland Security would have to send additional personnel, obtain additional facilities, and, potentially, deploy technology like video-conferencing to facilitate claims. The resources required, however, would almost certainly be much less than those necessary to house tens of thousands of unaccompanied children in the United States and to prosecute many of their parents.

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If asylum claims were processed in Central America instead of at the border, it would help ensure that the people who are genuinely most in need of humanitarian protections are able to apply. The people making the journey now are those who are able to pay thousands of dollars to smugglers. People who may be in even more desperate situations and do not have the money to get to the U.S. border remain trapped. And the U.S. personnel who are stationed in the home countries of asylum claimants are the most informed about the relevant conditions and circumstances.

Some may argue that this sort of process would take too long to set up, and the urgency of the situation requires responses that can be put into effect immediately. But the United States is now five years into the Central American crisis, and it is still relying on temporary emergency facilities to house children on the southwest border. There are no “immediate” solutions.

Even so, we can meaningfully reduce the number of people claiming asylum at the U.S. border, while ensuring a real opportunity to seek asylum for those in need. This approach is completely compatible with a belief in the importance of effective enforcement at the border. Tens of thousands of Central Americans are being allowed into the country under the current system. A new approach would not actually increase overall numbers. Instead, we would be processing migrants in a planned, responsible way that is consistent with the United States’ legal and moral obligations to receive and process asylum applicants.

Such a change would, of course, require that policymakers take an honest look at an immigration problem and make responsible decisions. In the current environment, that may be a tall order.

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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:14 PM
Author: Violent hairy legs

Just a couple random things to add. #2 is based on pro bono experience:

1. If we had a wall it would be nearly impossible for this situation to ever happen.

2. What happens at the border igets complicated due to our asylum and special visa policies by the way that judges have expanded their scope over the years.

A. If someone shows up without permission to be here or without an asylum claim, they are guilty of illegal entry or illegal reentry. That is cut and dry. But not a lot of people fall into that bucket anymore because of the extent to which asylum relief has expanded. People who fall in A are detained briefly and deported shortly thereafter.

B. If someone shows up with prior legal permission, such as a work visa, they are fine and this controversy does not apply to them.

C. If someone shows up without permission but claims asylum, it gets interesting.

1.Background. Think about what the concept of asylum traditionally means to you. For me I think of a North Korea dissident or someone from Rwanda or Bosnia is the 90s. These are people who have been persecuted on the basis of their race, religion, or political views by a government or organized entity. The statute was originally written this way. Over the years lib immigration judges have said, well maybe it's any social group, not just race religion or politics...and then later they said, well maybe the government doesn't have to persecute you, maybe if just anyone is doing it but the government cannot contain them. So now the standard is kind of like, any harm under any status by any person in a nebulous sense, with some uneven application.

B. Application. The courts have split on this. Basically federal appellate courts covering red states tend to say say that it must be a defined category and appellate courts over blue states, namely the ninth circuit, have said it can be anyone or anything. The last thing to be sad on the ambiguity of the law is that claims for asylum exclusively based on gang of violence or gang recruitment are losers everywhere, but if you have some kind of "hook" like the gang recruited you because of your dad's membership, you're in. Why is this important? 90% of the migrants on the southern border are coming from El Salvador and Honduras and many, many, many claim to flee MS-13 and Mara 18 violence. If you do that you don't get deported and you have years in the US to hear out your claim.

2. Application. The migrants at the border are taught the following: Claim asylum. Say the right things to CBP so you don't get deported. If you pass this part, the United States government will put you on a bus on its dime to a place in the United States of your choice. From that point you have 180 days to file a case. There are so many of these bogus cases in Texas that the docket will sit for an additional 180 days. You've now been in the US for a year. Let's assume the case is bogus as 99.9% are. You lose the case. Wait. You can appeal. Another half year. Then you lose a final time. Done? No, because it's not like you're detained. Only at that point do you begin living in the United States illegally. And many many do for decades. If you parented a child, they are a citizen and now to deport you would break up a family. There is a special visa for you . You can stay.

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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Low-t Excitant Old Irish Cottage Shrine

Jfc

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Date: June 21st, 2018 7:14 AM
Author: pink crackhouse



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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:49 AM
Author: razzle ocher preventive strike

i'm going to post this on facebook

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006705&forum_id=2#36283551)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: translucent dog poop international law enforcement agency

Jesus

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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:09 PM
Author: Dun arousing cumskin



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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:13 PM
Author: unhinged theater stage

On the southern border of Mexico? Yes, makes perfect sense. Let them claim asylum IN MEXICO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4006705&forum_id=2#36280928)



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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:13 PM
Author: adventurous flatulent senate

Just do traveling tent cities outside of every war zone in the world. We could use the foreign service. They love that shit.

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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:18 PM
Author: light laughsome pit pocket flask

Fuck why not inside the war zones too

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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:19 PM
Author: adventurous flatulent senate

Libs would love that since we probably started the war anyways.

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Date: June 21st, 2018 11:54 AM
Author: Violent hairy legs



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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: spruce provocative trailer park persian



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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:18 PM
Author: Azure zippy church

people don't HAVE to traverse all of Mexico. they could apply for a USRAP referral at a mexican UNHCR office

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Date: June 20th, 2018 7:26 PM
Author: Bronze Charismatic University Death Wish

fucking rule against perpetuities, always fucking shit up

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Date: June 21st, 2018 7:06 AM
Author: Slate parlor filthpig



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Date: June 20th, 2018 10:23 PM
Author: rusted lay legal warrant

Libs?

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Date: June 21st, 2018 6:39 AM
Author: Violent hairy legs



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Date: June 21st, 2018 7:33 AM
Author: Floppy Office Coffee Pot

Milions of mexicans mass migration to mexicos southern border why

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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: Violent hairy legs



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