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Gave up NFL fandom, literally dont give a shit. Thinking of doing same with pol

itics. I would like to be the kind of man that responds t...
Maize sticky den
  06/21/18
It's 180 to be liberated from the NFL. I legit never think o...
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Adventurous Potus
  06/22/18
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hot famous landscape painting brethren
  06/22/18
same here. ashamed of my past sportsnuttery
chrome abnormal gaming laptop
  06/21/18
Unlike the NFL, politics takes an interest in you even if yo...
harsh hall chad
  06/21/18
Unilateral relationships are irrelevant
Lascivious incel
  06/21/18
caring about politics in the sense of parties and officials ...
Cream Pocket Flask Hospital
  06/21/18
well i guess you cannot help being small "p" polit...
Maize sticky den
  06/21/18
godspeed on the road to recovery, friend
Cream Pocket Flask Hospital
  06/21/18
ur 100% gonna maek it.
Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station
  06/21/18
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hairraiser associate brunch
  06/21/18
I'd be shocked if most of us haven't tried to pull away. And...
crystalline toaster national
  06/21/18
yes it would be hard, given the state of our country. bu...
Maize sticky den
  06/21/18
Agreed. Women don't let you forget about lib shit though
crystalline toaster national
  06/21/18
They can be trained. Wife used to listen to NPR and watch CN...
Electric corner goyim
  06/21/18
I don't buy it. I think this works only by isolating them fr...
crystalline toaster national
  06/21/18
titcr
Electric corner goyim
  06/21/18
i comment on stuff here and there on politics. i gave up pr...
Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station
  06/21/18
You’re a role model, no joke
Maize sticky den
  06/21/18
i'm trying to improve daily. bit by bit. tv/movies/music i...
Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station
  06/21/18
one other thing i allow myself. if i see my alma mater is g...
Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station
  06/21/18
Fine if it's your HS, 120 if it's your UG.
galvanic mint garrison
  06/21/18
im 120 on this because i was an athlete at my ug so i feel a...
Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station
  06/21/18
pretty weird take
Vivacious maniacal chapel
  06/22/18
Wellbutrin/Zyban makes quitting dip 10x easier, so long as y...
razzmatazz nubile native
  06/21/18
You are basically saying culture and popular art are poison....
insecure multi-billionaire property
  06/22/18
a lot of it IS poison i tend to watch things like This Ol...
gay liquid oxygen
  06/22/18
Not talking about shit like E news, The Bachelor, and Fuller...
insecure multi-billionaire property
  06/22/18
180
galvanic mint garrison
  06/21/18
What’s your one issue?
Cracking Lavender Blood Rage
  06/21/18
(guy who just stopped reading the post halfway through)
galvanic mint garrison
  06/21/18
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haunting nibblets
  06/21/18
nice edit
lime passionate masturbator
  06/21/18
What do you do with your free time?
insecure multi-billionaire property
  06/22/18
I've largely done this with politics. Used to me one of my ...
Drab Trip Stage
  06/21/18
join the #tennis crew with your extra free time
Honey-headed field electric furnace
  06/21/18
Hard to cultivate new interests at this point. I like this:...
Drab Trip Stage
  06/21/18
it helps if there are 2 hotties. you should try it: https...
Honey-headed field electric furnace
  06/21/18
Hm.
Drab Trip Stage
  06/21/18
I’d like to do the same but it’s hard when you post on XO
sooty rehab
  06/21/18
I was a Bills man. Will never forget my widower Dad bringing...
Maize sticky den
  06/21/18
I've stopped following the Sabres almost completely -- hard ...
Drab Trip Stage
  06/21/18
I'm the same with politics, but on the opposite side. Used ...
Low-t topaz locus
  06/22/18
Lol so no fantasy football with your Bros? Sorry to hear abo...
Talented Sweet Tailpipe
  06/21/18
XO 2018: Striving to talk more politics over sports.
wonderful ladyboy
  06/21/18
The key is to find a good chill hobby. I took up golf this s...
Lilac motley stain senate
  06/21/18
cr. bjj is my hobby and wife very supportive of it. i've a...
Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station
  06/21/18
Agreed. Playing a sport, even at a low level, is far more en...
gay liquid oxygen
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silver hyperventilating base
  06/21/18
What continent?
Maize sticky den
  06/21/18
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sexy office
  06/22/18
I did the same thing last year, just consciously decided not...
Exhilarant Alcoholic Center Old Irish Cottage
  06/22/18
cr. NFL is really shitty and awful, and too time consuming.
gay liquid oxygen
  06/22/18
This is the exact mindset that allows libs to dominate. Norm...
stubborn antidepressant drug
  06/22/18


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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: Maize sticky den

itics.

I would like to be the kind of man that responds to a political conversation or thread the same way I would respond to NFL draft talk or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36284923)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:24 PM
Author: gay liquid oxygen

It's 180 to be liberated from the NFL. I legit never think of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36284925)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:03 PM
Author: Contagious State

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285156)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: Honey-headed field electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285175)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: Cracking Lavender Blood Rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285273)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: violet address

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36286010)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Electric corner goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36286051)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 6:39 PM
Author: Blathering marvelous theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36286873)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 6:45 PM
Author: Canary Floppy Cruise Ship

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36286908)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 3:22 AM
Author: Dead hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36289022)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 5:30 AM
Author: Titillating mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36289159)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Adventurous Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36289481)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 10:52 AM
Author: hot famous landscape painting brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36290028)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: chrome abnormal gaming laptop

same here. ashamed of my past sportsnuttery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36284928)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:26 PM
Author: harsh hall chad

Unlike the NFL, politics takes an interest in you even if you don't take an interest in politics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36284931)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:52 PM
Author: Lascivious incel

Unilateral relationships are irrelevant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285094)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:27 PM
Author: Cream Pocket Flask Hospital

caring about politics in the sense of parties and officials is obviously mundane as fuck, but it's hard not to care about culture in the current climate. just imagine your children coming home from private school and telling you about your privilege.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36284932)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:32 PM
Author: Maize sticky den

well i guess you cannot help being small "p" political, in the ways you raise your kids, etc.

And I will vote. But i currently reserve this space in my brain and in the hours of my week where I think about and talk about and post about fucking donald trump and faggot libs and november 2018 and whether it will be booker or kamala and all this trifling shit.

I want to ash heap it with the sundays I wasted on sportsnutting

Just being a man means fuck-libs. I dont have to follow their latest outrages and get all gassy about it like I currently do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36284955)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:40 PM
Author: Cream Pocket Flask Hospital

godspeed on the road to recovery, friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285009)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station

ur 100% gonna maek it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285080)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:23 PM
Author: hairraiser associate brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285267)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: crystalline toaster national

I'd be shocked if most of us haven't tried to pull away. And then histrionic people in your everyday life pull you back in. I mean, some people's fucking firms sent out company emails about the kid shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285580)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: Maize sticky den

yes it would be hard, given the state of our country.

but libs are going to burn until they run out of fuel.

Best to smile and get out of their way. As pointed out above, be small-p political in having lots of great kids, raising them well, fishing and hunting, buy a dog, go to church if you can stomach it, lift weights.

Thats what I dream of, anyway. Instead of being up to date on what the ACLU or Rachel Maddow are saying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285616)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: crystalline toaster national

Agreed. Women don't let you forget about lib shit though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285767)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Electric corner goyim

They can be trained. Wife used to listen to NPR and watch CNN, not anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36286058)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 7:55 PM
Author: crystalline toaster national

I don't buy it. I think this works only by isolating them from shitlib chickenhead female friends, and to do that you have to move to ARE country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36287195)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Electric corner goyim

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36286053)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:50 PM
Author: Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station

i comment on stuff here and there on politics. i gave up pretty much completely on sports. i don't watch tv or movies. i think i am BASICALLY already done with politics since I am now a one issue voter. so basically i ask "is this person affiliated with a party platform that allows for or advocates for abortion on demand?" if the answer is yes, i can't trust you with anything else. simple way to live.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285072)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 1:58 PM
Author: Maize sticky den

You’re a role model, no joke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285128)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:01 PM
Author: Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station

i'm trying to improve daily. bit by bit. tv/movies/music is big time poison. politics too. once i can free myself of xoxo crack and dip, i should be in a better place. little bit every day.

i allow myself new japan pro wrestling. that's basically it. i have the NJPW World network. I will go watch matches maybe once every two weeks. and i watch tv with my dotter...she's 4...stuff like bubble guppies etc. thats it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285143)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:03 PM
Author: Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station

one other thing i allow myself. if i see my alma mater is gonna have a big game or something, i will check that out. gotta support the kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285155)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: galvanic mint garrison

Fine if it's your HS, 120 if it's your UG.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285176)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:11 PM
Author: Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station

im 120 on this because i was an athlete at my ug so i feel a way about it. and most of my friends from ug were also athletes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285196)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:52 AM
Author: Vivacious maniacal chapel

pretty weird take

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36290482)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:19 PM
Author: razzmatazz nubile native

Wellbutrin/Zyban makes quitting dip 10x easier, so long as you want to quit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285243)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:56 AM
Author: insecure multi-billionaire property

You are basically saying culture and popular art are poison. How do you give up TV/movies/music? I get not obsessing over the NFL or politics - but not never watching a TV show. There is a lot of garbage, but there is more high-quality content then ever before. I don't buy anyone saying they spend all their free time with their kids, working out, reading Marcus Aurelius, and meditating in nature. It is like the XO version of virtue signaling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36290516)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: gay liquid oxygen

a lot of it IS poison

i tend to watch things like This Old House, and Rick Bayless' Mexico: One Plate at a Time. that stuff is good quality and isn't poison

that's not really what he's talking about though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36290532)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 12:07 PM
Author: insecure multi-billionaire property

Not talking about shit like E news, The Bachelor, and Fuller House. But shows like Better Call Saul, Fargo, Black Mirror, Game of Thrones, True Detective, and Mad Men were or are great and many deal, at least superficially, with real philosophical ideas. Not to mention all the great documentaries available now, like Ken Burn's Vietnam documentary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36290599)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:03 PM
Author: galvanic mint garrison

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285154)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:26 PM
Author: Cracking Lavender Blood Rage

What’s your one issue?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285282)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 3:11 PM
Author: galvanic mint garrison

(guy who just stopped reading the post halfway through)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285600)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: haunting nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36286048)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 8:48 PM
Author: lime passionate masturbator

nice edit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36287467)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 11:45 AM
Author: insecure multi-billionaire property

What do you do with your free time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36290411)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:06 PM
Author: Drab Trip Stage

I've largely done this with politics. Used to me one of my main "hobbies." I used to read blogs and message boards daily, watch politics tv, etc. I just stopped almost completely and it's great -- very liberating. I'd vote straight Republican either way, so why waste 90 mins/day watching people get MAF and arguing with each other?

Still following the Bills, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285172)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:07 PM
Author: Honey-headed field electric furnace

join the #tennis crew with your extra free time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285179)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:10 PM
Author: Drab Trip Stage

Hard to cultivate new interests at this point. I like this: https://scontent-ort2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/4db833dfa65fd936d12f9aa46453ef1d/5BBD5C3F/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/23507869_126165104744160_7627069448985247744_n.jpg but don't think I want to watch her hit a ball for a couple of hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285195)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:15 PM
Author: Honey-headed field electric furnace

it helps if there are 2 hotties. you should try it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO0EDrI0A6U

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285224)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:23 PM
Author: Drab Trip Stage

Hm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285262)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:17 PM
Author: sooty rehab

I’d like to do the same but it’s hard when you post on XO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285235)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:18 PM
Author: Maize sticky den

I was a Bills man. Will never forget my widower Dad bringing us to Rich. Cheeering on frank Reich and Ken Davis in the Oilers game. Rushing the field. Always will love Levy. Special memories, but damned if this franchise deserves my time now.

Not even raising my kid to know who the current QB is. It’s better to keep those late 80s early 90s teams in my memory anyway. I just pretend the franchise moved to Vegas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285239)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 2:22 PM
Author: Drab Trip Stage

I've stopped following the Sabres almost completely -- hard to care about that disaster of a franchise from across the country with many other demands on time. I really like watching hockey, but they're such a mess. Buffalo News also axed half of their sportswriters a few weeks ago.

Bills connect me to home, brother, dad, uncles, and a handful of old friends I keep in touch with. I keep saying that I won't watch, but inevitably I pay the $200 for Sunday Ticket (pre-kid I dragged my wife to a bar at 10 a.m. to watch).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285259)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Low-t topaz locus

I'm the same with politics, but on the opposite side. Used to be a Union dem/lib, but at a certain point I noticed the Democratic party seemed completely uninterested in helping actual average Americans and was more concerned with gay rights, supporting illegals and shaming white males. I still hate racist conservatives (like many of the deranged poasters here on XO), though. It feels like there is no place anymore for a normal person who'd like to see unity and consensus building, who loves their country but doesn't treat it like a religion, who can acknowledge shades of grey, etc.

I will always follow the Bills though. Just too many fond childhood memories to completely divorce myself from my fandom. I'm just more mature about it now. My weekends used to be ruined when they lost. Now I don't get too worked up if they lose and just enjoy it for the distraction that it is. And I'll skip the occasional game to do stuff with the kids or go golf or whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36290810)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:05 PM
Author: Talented Sweet Tailpipe

Lol so no fantasy football with your Bros? Sorry to hear about your low T

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36285997)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: wonderful ladyboy

XO 2018: Striving to talk more politics over sports.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36286099)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Lilac motley stain senate

The key is to find a good chill hobby. I took up golf this season and it’s pretty 180. I play a few times a week, walking the course in the morning before work. I find that all of a sudden all I care about is my family, my work, and golf. Some interest in the tour events (I’ll watch weekend afternoon coverage of big tournaments), but mostly working on my own game and reading about the history of the game. Reading John Updike’s book on golf right now. Used to have so much attention consumed by current events and the big pro team sports. This is s much more chill existence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36286868)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 7:35 PM
Author: Concupiscible Jet-lagged Mediation Station

cr. bjj is my hobby and wife very supportive of it. i've also made some 180 friends because of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36287083)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 8:02 PM
Author: gay liquid oxygen

Agreed. Playing a sport, even at a low level, is far more enjoyable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36287255)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: silver hyperventilating base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36286965)



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Date: June 21st, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Maize sticky den

What continent?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36288079)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 3:21 AM
Author: sexy office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36289021)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:06 AM
Author: Exhilarant Alcoholic Center Old Irish Cottage

I did the same thing last year, just consciously decided not to care (because it sucks not because of politics).

Have still had a great year in sports fandom. Considering doing the same thing with the NBA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36289442)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 9:17 AM
Author: gay liquid oxygen

cr. NFL is really shitty and awful, and too time consuming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4007286&forum_id=2#36289483)



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Date: June 22nd, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: stubborn antidepressant drug

This is the exact mindset that allows libs to dominate. Normal people don't want to deal with their mental illness but it is your duty to do so because they are highly motivated and organized and will not stop themselves without catastrophe for all

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