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Yeah what can’t those white kids compete
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>> Instead of trying to bar Asian-Americans from achie...
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geriatric kitchen
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yeah its fake news that you can fake summa at HLS (as oppose...
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Rink?
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her book?
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isn't getting good grades at HLS pretty easy? it's not STEM.
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pink titillating office
  06/26/18
The myth of tiger parenting (or any parenting) is that the p...
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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:36 PM
Author: pink titillating office

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The Last of the Tiger Parents

By Ryan Park

Mr. Park is a lawyer and father of two.

June 22, 2018

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In first grade, I arrived at my suburban elementary school as a sort of academic vaudeville trickster. My classmates stood speechless as I absorbed thick tomes on medieval history, wrote and presented research reports, and breezed through fifth-grade math problems like a bored teenager.

My teachers anointed me a genius, but I knew the truth. My non-Asian friends hadn’t spent hours marching through the snow, reciting multiplication tables. They hadn’t stood at attention at the crack of dawn reading the newspaper aloud, with each stumble earning a stinging rebuke. Like a Navy SEAL thrown into a pool of raw conscripts, at 6, I had spent much of my conscious life training for this moment.

To my authoritarian father, all has gone according to plan. I excelled in school, attending Amherst College and Harvard Law School. I’ve embraced his conventional vision of success: I’m a lawyer. But like many second-generation immigrant overachievers, I’ve spent decades struggling with the paradox of my upbringing. Were the same childhood experiences that long evoked my resentment also responsible for my academic and professional achievements? And if so, was the trade-off between happiness and success worth it?

The way I and other Asian-Americans of my generation answer these questions could affect American society more broadly. My generation’s academic success has sparked a crisis of sorts in our country’s elite educational institutions. For example, despite having the highest poverty rate in New York City, Asian-Americans make up a large majority of students at the city’s premier public high schools — including 73 percent at the storied Stuyvesant — where admission is decided solely on the basis of a standardized test. Mayor Bill de Blasio has reacted by proposing to scrap the test to allow more white, black and Hispanic students to attend.

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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:44 PM
Author: Trip fear-inspiring trust fund home

VAUDVILLE TRICKSTER RYAN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36303671)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Peach cracking public bath stain

Is there more to this, or that's it?

This guy graduated summa from both Amherst and HLS, and clerked for Ginsburg. He then took a year off to do stay-at-home dad, hated it, went to Boies, and now he's a deputy solicitor general for North Carolina.

This guy is a great example of why AA hurts Asian-Americans. He is the standard against which all Asian-American applicants are judged: if you fall below this standard, you are presumed unworthy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36303684)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: pink titillating office

Oops on mobile and full article didn't copy

It's a good read

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36303716)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:58 PM
Author: Peach cracking public bath stain

Haim

NYCJune 22

Yeah, sure, but I think Mr. Park is missing one big piece of the puzzle.

Ryan Park explains his experience, and the experiences of so many East Asians, in terms of culture and the "immigrant mindset". What he misses is that Asians coming to America in the middle of the 20th century witnessed, and personally experienced, real privation. They were hungry, figuratively and literally.

Watching people drop dead of starvation, as millions of Chinese did, during Mao's "Great Leap Forward", concentrates the mind wonderfully. And the gruesome history of Korea, from 1895 when it became a slave labor camp for the Japanese, until the end of the "Korean War" in 1953, would be unbelievable but for the fact that it is true.

In other words, the difference between Mr. Park and his parents is less about metaphysics and more about his being fat and happy while his parents ran scared, knowing from bitter personal experience how bad things can get.

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36303744)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 10:21 AM
Author: Flushed exhilarant wrinkle

humiliating rebuke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36311287)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 5:32 PM
Author: sickened quadroon

180

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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:58 PM
Author: Peach cracking public bath stain

LIChef

East CoastJune 22

I agree with Mr. Park that the current predominance of Asian-American kids at the top of the academic ladder should be allowed to take its natural course. In the meantime, however, these kids should not be penalized for raising the academic bar. It’s not their fault that other students work less hard or come from dysfunctional homes or bad public schools.

Instead of trying to bar Asian-Americans from achieving their academic dreams, both educators and politicians should be trying to figure out why so many white kids, even from the better school districts, are unable to compete. And they need to tell us how they plan to reverse their failure to adequately support learning environments in black and brown communities in the richest country in the world. (It certainly doesn’t help that the Secretary of Education refuses to visit public schools.)

Spend time and money on getting white, black and brown students better motivated and educated instead of eradicating the dreams of Asian-American kids.

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36303746)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 7:52 AM
Author: painfully honest mint stage blood rage

Yeah what can’t those white kids compete

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36310795)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 10:05 AM
Author: contagious canary skinny woman indian lodge

>> Instead of trying to bar Asian-Americans from achieving their academic dreams, both educators and politicians should be trying to figure out why so many white kids, even from the better school districts, are unable to compete. <<

Well, not everyone wants to take competition to an extreme degree. White kids, especially in affluent districts, are often intelligent and work hard, but a lot of them also don't see the marginal benefit to insane amounts of work to graduate slightly higher and attend a slightly better top 25 university at the expense of having some enjoyment in life and not being maladjusted socially or being exposed to a plethora of activities that aren't being done for a contrived end. Success in life isn't a zero sum game like in athletics where there is only one winner.

To put it another way, you can create a lot of really good weightlifters without running the Bulgarian system, which forces anyone with talent to lift even if they don't want to, and where drugs and overtraining are rampant and create a ton of injured collateral damage on the way to a couple Olympic medals for the country.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36311200)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:44 AM
Author: Odious Slippery Jap Stock Car

Also the Asian immigrants who take it to the extreme come from mostly poor backgrounds and it’s been drilled into them that education is the only way out to a better life and that’s true for the most part because they can’t rely on the parents for anything.

When you have more upper middle class professional Asians, the kids don’t have the same hunger or ambition because they live a comfortable life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36311889)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:55 AM
Author: contagious canary skinny woman indian lodge

That's right.

And it's not like those kids aren't smart or don't work hard -- they just don't take it to a drastic degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36311973)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 5:19 PM
Author: geriatric kitchen

Hard to read this type of racism in 2018

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314079)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 5:35 PM
Author: sickened quadroon

Really painful to hear people saying we should allow poor immigrants to achieve as much as they can. Don’t they know that slavery only ended 150 years ago?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314163)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:55 PM
Author: copper boltzmann

yeah its fake news that you can fake summa at HLS (as opposed to first grade)

amy chua, eg, pointed out that she gunned her whole life but got LIT UP at HLS by her non-tiger mommed jew dork husband because hes just smarter than she is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36303737)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 10:01 PM
Author: Slate cruel-hearted mental disorder

Rink?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36303754)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 10:15 PM
Author: copper boltzmann

her book?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36303811)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 10:17 PM
Author: Slate cruel-hearted mental disorder

isn't getting good grades at HLS pretty easy? it's not STEM.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36303819)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 1:39 AM
Author: Magenta nofapping principal's office

This. Lol at subjective grading of shitlib profs being a worthwhile metric. Put them in math 55 instead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36310410)



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Date: June 24th, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: Peach cracking public bath stain

She was cum laude and Law Review, which isn't bad

http://www.academicroom.com/users/amy-chua?quicktabs_user_profile=3#quicktabs-user_profile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36303821)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 5:23 PM
Author: copper boltzmann

shes only a yale professor because of her husband

academia is disgusting



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Date: June 26th, 2018 1:04 AM
Author: pink titillating office



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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:52 AM
Author: Odious Slippery Jap Stock Car

Agree with the author 100% given my upbringing. My parents weren’t tiger parents in that they didn’t hover but it was obvious there were severe consequences if I didn’t excel in school.

Sometimes I worry I’m too lenient with own kids but whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36311136)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: pink titillating office

well thats why u are successful today right? dont u want the same for ur kid

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Date: June 26th, 2018 5:01 PM
Author: Odious Slippery Jap Stock Car

The myth of tiger parenting (or any parenting) is that the parents deserve credit for their children’s success. Sorry, genetics and peer group matter more.

They don’t. They do however deserve blame for ruining and fostering resentment in their children as adults.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314008)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: pink titillating office

not sure that is true, but we'll see for the next generation! your parents likely instilled some drive/ambition in you, and some of it will be lost in translation in the next gen

but yeah you'll likely be closer to your daughter than you and your mom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314016)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: contagious canary skinny woman indian lodge

you can parent and teach your kids how to succeed without being a "Tiger Parent"

i think that's what nutella's getting at

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314029)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 7:51 PM
Author: Odious Slippery Jap Stock Car

I do agree there are other ways to instill certain values in kids other than tiger parenting (the joos do quite well too), but I was getting at something different.

Tiger parenting only works if your kid has a certain personality, namely, obedient/submissive, respectful of authority and elders, fearful of punishment, etc. a rebellious/defiant child cannot be successfully tiger parented no matter what. these are all values of most Asian cultures. It strikes me as no surprise that over time, in a combo of both nature and nurture, Asians as a group keep passing down the personality traits that are conducive to following the rules and grinding away without question.

So tiger parents themselves shouldn’t pat themselves on the back on being so successful when the kids themselves are, on the whole, genetically prewired to be cooperative. This genetic predisposition is then reinforced by the larger community of peers who are also rule followers. As adults, of course, this translates to success in a conventional, corporate sense but not often in a creative, entrepreneurial or risk taking sense. So really, are the hordes of conventionally successful Asians the result of tiger parenting or not? I think the answer is no.

As I’ve seen and experienced firsthand, most tiger parents didn’t even have to do anything to get their kids to work hard. The parents were too busy themselves working and not being home. The mere threat of punishment or disgrace upon the family is enough to get timid children to be motivated to excel. The children themselves are not pushing any boundaries or challenging the parents’ authority.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314847)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 5:20 PM
Author: vivacious location

Peer group is likely the predominant determining factor. This is where the influence "tiger parenting" really comes into a play as a second order effect in setting the norms of the children's peer group.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314085)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 5:25 PM
Author: geriatric kitchen

Sounds like your mom needs to have a ~160th trimester abortion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314113)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 7:54 PM
Author: dull range wagecucks

ITT: insufferable asian striver gunners convince themselves that STRIVING AND GUNNING are TCR whilst NYUUG the chilled as fuck PHILO MAJOR lives a super chilled GANGNAM Wgwag Playboy lifestyle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314861)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:00 PM
Author: Buck-toothed cumskin

I've noticed that among the people I know the most content and successful ones always have an insatiable desire to brag about their success and happiness incessantly on an internet message board.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314874)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:02 PM
Author: dull range wagecucks

platos cave dwellers needed to be told the truth. our board needs to see the light

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36314878)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 10:53 PM
Author: geriatric kitchen

Working at the front desk of the Ritz Carlton Seoul is Tcr, amirite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4009546&forum_id=2#36315938)