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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:36 PM Author: burgundy lodge tattoo
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The Last of the Tiger Parents
By Ryan Park
Mr. Park is a lawyer and father of two.
June 22, 2018
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In first grade, I arrived at my suburban elementary school as a sort of academic vaudeville trickster. My classmates stood speechless as I absorbed thick tomes on medieval history, wrote and presented research reports, and breezed through fifth-grade math problems like a bored teenager.
My teachers anointed me a genius, but I knew the truth. My non-Asian friends hadn’t spent hours marching through the snow, reciting multiplication tables. They hadn’t stood at attention at the crack of dawn reading the newspaper aloud, with each stumble earning a stinging rebuke. Like a Navy SEAL thrown into a pool of raw conscripts, at 6, I had spent much of my conscious life training for this moment.
To my authoritarian father, all has gone according to plan. I excelled in school, attending Amherst College and Harvard Law School. I’ve embraced his conventional vision of success: I’m a lawyer. But like many second-generation immigrant overachievers, I’ve spent decades struggling with the paradox of my upbringing. Were the same childhood experiences that long evoked my resentment also responsible for my academic and professional achievements? And if so, was the trade-off between happiness and success worth it?
The way I and other Asian-Americans of my generation answer these questions could affect American society more broadly. My generation’s academic success has sparked a crisis of sorts in our country’s elite educational institutions. For example, despite having the highest poverty rate in New York City, Asian-Americans make up a large majority of students at the city’s premier public high schools — including 73 percent at the storied Stuyvesant — where admission is decided solely on the basis of a standardized test. Mayor Bill de Blasio has reacted by proposing to scrap the test to allow more white, black and Hispanic students to attend.
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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: Khaki metal water buffalo indian lodge
Is there more to this, or that's it?
This guy graduated summa from both Amherst and HLS, and clerked for Ginsburg. He then took a year off to do stay-at-home dad, hated it, went to Boies, and now he's a deputy solicitor general for North Carolina.
This guy is a great example of why AA hurts Asian-Americans. He is the standard against which all Asian-American applicants are judged: if you fall below this standard, you are presumed unworthy.
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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:58 PM Author: Khaki metal water buffalo indian lodge
Haim
NYCJune 22
Yeah, sure, but I think Mr. Park is missing one big piece of the puzzle.
Ryan Park explains his experience, and the experiences of so many East Asians, in terms of culture and the "immigrant mindset". What he misses is that Asians coming to America in the middle of the 20th century witnessed, and personally experienced, real privation. They were hungry, figuratively and literally.
Watching people drop dead of starvation, as millions of Chinese did, during Mao's "Great Leap Forward", concentrates the mind wonderfully. And the gruesome history of Korea, from 1895 when it became a slave labor camp for the Japanese, until the end of the "Korean War" in 1953, would be unbelievable but for the fact that it is true.
In other words, the difference between Mr. Park and his parents is less about metaphysics and more about his being fat and happy while his parents ran scared, knowing from bitter personal experience how bad things can get.
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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:58 PM Author: Khaki metal water buffalo indian lodge
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East CoastJune 22
I agree with Mr. Park that the current predominance of Asian-American kids at the top of the academic ladder should be allowed to take its natural course. In the meantime, however, these kids should not be penalized for raising the academic bar. It’s not their fault that other students work less hard or come from dysfunctional homes or bad public schools.
Instead of trying to bar Asian-Americans from achieving their academic dreams, both educators and politicians should be trying to figure out why so many white kids, even from the better school districts, are unable to compete. And they need to tell us how they plan to reverse their failure to adequately support learning environments in black and brown communities in the richest country in the world. (It certainly doesn’t help that the Secretary of Education refuses to visit public schools.)
Spend time and money on getting white, black and brown students better motivated and educated instead of eradicating the dreams of Asian-American kids.
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Date: June 26th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: Multi-colored dull dilemma
>> Instead of trying to bar Asian-Americans from achieving their academic dreams, both educators and politicians should be trying to figure out why so many white kids, even from the better school districts, are unable to compete. <<
Well, not everyone wants to take competition to an extreme degree. White kids, especially in affluent districts, are often intelligent and work hard, but a lot of them also don't see the marginal benefit to insane amounts of work to graduate slightly higher and attend a slightly better top 25 university at the expense of having some enjoyment in life and not being maladjusted socially or being exposed to a plethora of activities that aren't being done for a contrived end. Success in life isn't a zero sum game like in athletics where there is only one winner.
To put it another way, you can create a lot of really good weightlifters without running the Bulgarian system, which forces anyone with talent to lift even if they don't want to, and where drugs and overtraining are rampant and create a ton of injured collateral damage on the way to a couple Olympic medals for the country.
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Date: June 24th, 2018 9:55 PM Author: supple ruby site
yeah its fake news that you can fake summa at HLS (as opposed to first grade)
amy chua, eg, pointed out that she gunned her whole life but got LIT UP at HLS by her non-tiger mommed jew dork husband because hes just smarter than she is.
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Date: June 26th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: supple ruby site
shes only a yale professor because of her husband
academia is disgusting
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Date: June 26th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: Mildly autistic faggot firefighter office
Agree with the author 100% given my upbringing. My parents weren’t tiger parents in that they didn’t hover but it was obvious there were severe consequences if I didn’t excel in school.
Sometimes I worry I’m too lenient with own kids but whatever.
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Date: June 26th, 2018 7:51 PM Author: Mildly autistic faggot firefighter office
I do agree there are other ways to instill certain values in kids other than tiger parenting (the joos do quite well too), but I was getting at something different.
Tiger parenting only works if your kid has a certain personality, namely, obedient/submissive, respectful of authority and elders, fearful of punishment, etc. a rebellious/defiant child cannot be successfully tiger parented no matter what. these are all values of most Asian cultures. It strikes me as no surprise that over time, in a combo of both nature and nurture, Asians as a group keep passing down the personality traits that are conducive to following the rules and grinding away without question.
So tiger parents themselves shouldn’t pat themselves on the back on being so successful when the kids themselves are, on the whole, genetically prewired to be cooperative. This genetic predisposition is then reinforced by the larger community of peers who are also rule followers. As adults, of course, this translates to success in a conventional, corporate sense but not often in a creative, entrepreneurial or risk taking sense. So really, are the hordes of conventionally successful Asians the result of tiger parenting or not? I think the answer is no.
As I’ve seen and experienced firsthand, most tiger parents didn’t even have to do anything to get their kids to work hard. The parents were too busy themselves working and not being home. The mere threat of punishment or disgrace upon the family is enough to get timid children to be motivated to excel. The children themselves are not pushing any boundaries or challenging the parents’ authority.
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