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Is abortion murder yes or no
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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:08 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36314911) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:27 PM Author: jet rehab depressive Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332121) |
Date: June 26th, 2018 8:08 PM Author: Sick chad selfie no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36314912) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:31 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316243) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:33 PM Author: internet-worthy property Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316258) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: opaque histrionic theater cumskin Waste of time to argue about it
Should be legal first trimester then illegal after except when mothers life is at stake or deformities detected |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner non-responsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316271) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: opaque histrionic theater cumskin It's not a relevant label first trimester (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316277) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: Sick chad selfie You're going to have a hard time convincing me that something that doesn't have and has never had consciousness is entitled to much more than pain avoidance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316339) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:45 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner what does consciousness have to do with it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316348) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:48 PM Author: Sick chad selfie Everything. You don't really care about the treatment of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus, do you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316369) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:49 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner dont answer my question with a question
what does consciousness have to do with it? |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:53 PM Author: Sick chad selfie Well, Lil' Socrates, it's necessary (but not sufficient) to the qualities that cause humans to be valued as humans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316413) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:15 AM Author: pearl associate mad cow disease except its still legally murder if you murk someone who is a vegetable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316809) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:36 PM Author: Heady hall double fault My outlook on this is tied to consciousness. Given what we know about fetal neurological development, a fetus likely achieves rudimentary consciousness sometime around 12 to 14 weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331786) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:42 PM Author: Sick chad selfie "Rudimentary consciousness" sounds a lot like "not consciousness" to me in this context. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331834) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: Anal Diverse Personal Credit Line Location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331906) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:51 PM Author: Heady hall double fault Well, I'm not surprised in light of your demonstrated ability to conjure up opportunistic idiocy when necessary for your ridiculous lib positions. Regardless, you are a 180 poster, so I won't hold it against you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331917) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:56 PM Author: Sick chad selfie I'm a lib today? When I post about AA, IQ, SJWs, or illegal immigration, I get called a reptile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331951) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:58 PM Author: Heady hall double fault Bro, I didn't say you were a lib, only that you have ridiculous lib positions from time to time. It's okay, we all have our faults. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331965) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:34 PM Author: Talking theater stage haunted graveyard It should be legal until they're 9 years old. By age 9 you know if they're worth being alive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331773) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: Appetizing Mental Disorder Yes, but it's like eating animals. We don't kill the ones that we can see and that are cute and cuddly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316267) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: crawly ocher range depends on the race of the baby (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316274) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: Excitant maize bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316281) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: iridescent beady-eyed scourge upon the earth it is what it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316282) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: Comical bat-shit-crazy locale No, it has the same moral implications as picking a scab. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316288) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316383) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: Comical bat-shit-crazy locale Fetus hasn’t developed consciousness & therefore has no “soul.” It’s human cells, but not an independent being, so killing it is of no consequence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316592) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: gold half-breed school cafeteria my scabs have consciousness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316730) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:02 AM Author: flushed immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316765) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:04 AM Author: puce idiot sandwich At what point precisely do they develop consciousness, Dr. numbdood? Are they conscious the first three months out when they're wholly dependent blobs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316773) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:25 PM Author: Comical bat-shit-crazy locale Nope, likely much later in pregnancy. This is a relatively well researched point, e.g.: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331725) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:39 PM Author: Heady hall double fault That article appears to be playing semantic games with the definition of consciousness, applying a much more stringent definition than necessary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331809) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:56 PM Author: Galvanic insane ticket booth it's good enough and explains the point he alluded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331946) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:03 PM Author: Heady hall double fault The issue isn't whether it is good enough; it's whether the definition requires more than what is commonly understood to constitute consciousness, thus pushing back the timeframe for when consciousness is achieved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331995) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:01 PM Author: Sick chad selfie There's a really good chance that infants don't cross the threshold, but birth is a good pragmatic bright line. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331991) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:04 PM Author: Heady hall double fault If that's the case with your definition of consciousness, I would suggest your definition of consciousness is incorrect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332001) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: Carmine home yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316343) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:49 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316377) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: Pungent water buffalo No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316354) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316380) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:32 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331763) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone ratface No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316355) |
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Date: June 26th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316381) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:26 AM Author: Autistic affirmative action Sure why not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316551) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:29 AM Author: Soggy know-it-all hell yes. with every single progress in tech as we get closer and closer to the source of the matter, you see what is obviously life from a heartbeat, so on. when abortion became legal, we didn't really know much about life in the womb. we might as well had been using the term quickening with the ridiculous trimester formulations that are arbitrary AF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316570) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: Soggy know-it-all hell remember, that the entire discourse was around the idea that tech advanced we'd plainly see "it's just cells" but they never thought about a heartbeat in week 6, etc. science advancing actually fucked the pro-abort argument in reverse. the more we know, the more it's obviously a life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316589) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: angry carnelian alpha piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316631) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: Charcoal regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316593) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:35 AM Author: ebony abode candlestick maker No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316620) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: indigo field background story I think there's a point when abortion becomes morally wrong, and then separately, a point when abortion actually becomes murder. The former is probably around 5 weeks when the heart starts beating, and the latter around 24 weeks when the fetus would have a shot at surviving outside the womb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316637) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:56 AM Author: brass crackhouse (Rick Santorum) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316738) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:56 AM Author: brass crackhouse no and it should be promoted in conservative communities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316734) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:57 AM Author: puce idiot sandwich Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316741) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:59 AM Author: brass crackhouse (xo2018) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316749) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: puce idiot sandwich I was on PR and thought the same then. I actually probably care less about this (and most things) at this point, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316754) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:59 AM Author: Talented chocolate public bath is pulling the plug on a machine dependent vegetable murder? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316751) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: brass crackhouse if God tells Republicans it is (through a multimillionaire televangelist) then yes, it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316755) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner really great contributions to this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316758) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:01 AM Author: puce idiot sandwich In most cases no, but that's a poor analogy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316759) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:04 AM Author: Talented chocolate public bath not a good analogy because it undermines my ideologically motivated illogical beliefs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316777) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:06 AM Author: puce idiot sandwich Time to go back to reddit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316784) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:08 AM Author: Talented chocolate public bath dat dere uh "miscarriage" is a uhh...involuntary homicide! i say i say i do declare it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316794) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:15 AM Author: puce idiot sandwich That's ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316814) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:30 AM Author: Talented chocolate public bath how often does god talk to you bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316870) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 2:11 AM Author: puce idiot sandwich He doesn't that I know of - I'm not a believer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316964) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 8:03 AM Author: jet rehab depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333494) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: outnumbered deranged school community account if i admit it's murder, can i also say that it's a type of murder you should be allowed to commit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316757) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 7:04 PM Author: Sick chad selfie Sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36323411) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:51 PM Author: Anal Diverse Personal Credit Line Location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331913) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:03 AM Author: flushed immigrant Depends on the trimester and how feasible it is for the fetus to survive outside of the womb on its own
First trimester -no
Second trimester - maybe
Third trimester - yes |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:14 PM Author: vigorous hateful space corn cake See Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332044) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:06 AM Author: brilliant pistol rigpig it's a killing but not unlawful. you're defending yourself against that fetus that wants to take all your money and eventually bring black guys over to your house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316785) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:12 AM Author: Pungent water buffalo I can't believe it. We'r,e in agreement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316799) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 1:17 AM Author: Contagious idiotic gunner Not always, but the average woman isn't capable of determining that; she's not smart enough to play God. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36316823) |
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Date: June 27th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: cracking bronze pisswyrm Yes. Babies born as early as 23 weeks have an astoundingly good chance of surviving now. If the baby can live outside the womb when you abort it, how is it anything but murder? I would still allow abortion in the first trimester, but after that you are a baby-killer in my mind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36323293) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:19 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner hmmm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331682) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:38 PM Author: Sick chad selfie I don't see how the hypothetical world or the state of technology matters.
If we're eventually able to clone a human in a lab, starting only with sperm cells, will jacking off be murder, too? |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:16 PM Author: vigorous hateful space corn cake How much are you willing to personally contribute in taxes to makes sure this fetus has nutrition, education and prison? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332060) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 7:55 AM Author: jet rehab depressive About as much as I’m currently contributing for 1/3rd of El Salvador to have these things dipshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333477) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:21 PM Author: Milky therapy famous landscape painting Obviously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331695) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:29 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner Is aborting a one week old fetus an equal moral wrong to killing a person who has been born (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331745) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:44 PM Author: Milky therapy famous landscape painting It probably doesn't show the same level of depravity, but I wouldn't consider them drastically different in moral terms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331850) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner If a girl aborted your child what would you do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331864) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:12 PM Author: Milky therapy famous landscape painting Regard her as a murderer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332037) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:48 PM Author: Sick chad selfie Tell me why I should care about a one-week-old fetus (because I don't, not even a little).
Edit: For comparison, a fetus is about 32 cells at four weeks. |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:14 PM Author: Milky therapy famous landscape painting Because it's a human being an a person, duh. I don't think this is very complex. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332047) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 1:54 AM Author: Sick chad selfie Why should I care just because it's a human?
I, like the vast majority of people, don't care much at all about some humans (e.g., mass murdering terrorists). Some human lives are worth more than others.
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Date: June 29th, 2018 2:03 AM Author: Milky therapy famous landscape painting A correctly ordered human conscience assigns moral worth to persons unless they forfeit it by some means. If you only value human lives because they have explicit value to you, then it's because you have a defective conscience and view people as means to an end rather than ends in themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333117) |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 2:06 AM Author: Sick chad selfie I don't accept human and person as being synonymous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333130) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:26 PM Author: Canary Goyim National Security Agency who cares? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331729) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner Not your mom who tried to abort you but botched the job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331739) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:33 PM Author: Canary Goyim National Security Agency oooooooh good one! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331767) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:34 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner Thank you for the compliment of good one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331776) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: Canary Goyim National Security Agency go back to africa you fucking salsa spook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331801) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:40 PM Author: Sinister Sooty Fanboi Corner Say that to my face (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331817) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:33 PM Author: Talking theater stage haunted graveyard why does it matter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331770) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:36 PM Author: wonderful gaping death wish Not if it's before viability. Otherwise every jerkoff session is murder, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331795) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:32 PM Author: walnut cuckoldry native (catholic theologian) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36332147) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: 180 point sex offender Justifiable homicide (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36331866) |
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Date: June 28th, 2018 10:23 PM Author: filthy office Morally, it's obviously despicable. Practically, it's difficult to argue it's not a net positive for society. |
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Date: June 29th, 2018 8:04 AM Author: lilac elite organic girlfriend shitlib no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4011017&forum_id=2#36333497) |