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Remember when everyones health insurance premiums went up 400% bc of Obama?
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:44 AM Author: hot party of the first part nowag Over the course of like 3-4 years?
And libs kept repeating “the current system doesn’t work” and meanwhile the entire productive middle class got fucked in the ass by Obamacare? |
Date: July 12th, 2018 5:34 AM Author: demanding turquoise karate office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36410554) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:35 AM Author: Saffron New Version Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36410556) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:43 AM Author: 180 property private health "insurance" as a standalone system seems like a bad system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36410561) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:57 AM Author: primrose dashing place of business travel guidebook cr. cant believe we couldnt get single payer through. every politician is a HUGE faggot on this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36410574) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 7:53 AM Author: razzle corner Single payer is a horrible idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36410668) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:28 AM Author: primrose dashing place of business travel guidebook its a great idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411124) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: Rambunctious Theater Stage Sandwich If the US were a homogeneous society, we would have had single payer decades ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411175) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:46 AM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station it's not just race or class or urban vs. rural or whatever. stuff just costs too much here and our govt has a very bad track record at controlling costs and not allowing GC to get rich as fuck off taxpayer dollars. now we want to give them the moral high ground to justify ridiculous spending under the blanket of saving lives.
the common line is that single payer will cause costs to go down. the opposite would be true in reality and it would be ugly. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: filthy self-absorbed ape station Even the GOP budget people said overall costs for health insurance would go down under a single payer system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343140) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:24 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station protip: it wouldn't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343175) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:27 PM Author: filthy self-absorbed ape station it would (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343192) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station yea, govt is great at controlling costs for everything they write the checks for. i'm sure they'll be even better at it when it comes to peoples' healthcare and they have the risk of some kid with cancer dying in a waiting line causing some shitfucker congressman to lose an election. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343205) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:38 PM Author: filthy self-absorbed ape station lets just put it in the hands of GC instead. Surely they'll control the costs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343238) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:40 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station you want the govt writing checks to GC instead? go look at how much it costs us to build a fucking bridge or go look into how much we spend on the fucking military. lol don't even get started on the student loan --> college admin racket.
an unfortunate truth is that a significant piece of our economy literally is just GC corps siphoning off large chunks of taxpayer $ and politicians gleefully signing the checks. |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:15 PM Author: hideous rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411785) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Swashbuckling messiness This is beyond idiotic, but not surprising coming from a Trumptard. It's olds, fats, and too many layers of administration that are driving up the price. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37342848) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station it wouldn't work here and everyone knows it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411179) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: primrose dashing place of business travel guidebook this is insurance company propaganda nonsense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411230) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:56 AM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station no it isn't you fag. put into practice it would be a ridiculously expensive shitshow that would result in the middle class having to pay like 10%-20% additional payroll taxes to fund it plus having to buy private insurance anyways to get non-garbage care, which will probably cost more than they're paying now.
but hey, at least employers won't have to pay for their employees insurance any more. I'm sure all that savings will get passed right to the employees! |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter Where did he go? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411650) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:54 PM Author: boyish obsidian casino Then surely consumers on the exchanges will purchase private plans if given a choice. Problem solved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37342998) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Jet House-broken Lettuce Bbw by "choice", you mean forced to pay for both? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343141) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:27 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station *middle class families forced to pay 15% of income in payroll taxes for "single payer" plan and still having to pay thousands for private insurance to actually get decent care*
Libs: PROBLEM THOLVED!!! |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:38 AM Author: Beady-eyed Brethren School indeed, and it is also the only idea that has any hope of working long term (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411163) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: glittery frozen idea he suggested liquid oxygen Rahm was the faggiest fag that ever fagged a fag on this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411112) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: primrose dashing place of business travel guidebook rahm should be drawn and quartered, he is truly horrible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411231) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter *hanged, drawn and quartered but otherwise cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411241) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:55 PM Author: boyish obsidian casino Didn't Obama hire him as CoS because the Clintons told him Rahm was a HARD NEGOTIATOR? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343008) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:15 PM Author: glittery frozen idea he suggested liquid oxygen Yes, and he could work the Chicago angles. Rahm and Geithner made sure Obama's potential for a 170 POTUSy was never realized and he could only top out at 158 despite fucking giving the order to kill Osama. They and Lieberman were the politicians that did the most to help the GOP since Reagan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343129) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:51 AM Author: Motley Brindle Garrison Remember when health insurance has been going up 25% a year throughout the entirety of recorded history? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36410571) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 6:12 AM Author: Charismatic Mediation In all honestly, I’ve never tracked what my health insurance premiums were. I just signed up for the most comprehensive plan at work every year. I haven’t noticed any increases (or decreases) over the years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36410579) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 6:52 AM Author: razzle-dazzle pungent principal's office trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36410590) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:58 AM Author: silver adventurous incel is this flame? would love to hear your thoughts on healthcare costs before Obamacare was enacted. Would also love to hear your thoughts on how healthcare companies used to routinely screw over middle to upper middle class families with pre-existing coverage denials (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411014) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:09 AM Author: flushed flatulent pozpig Hey, thank God for Obamacare. Now we don't worry about getting screwed for medical service because it's so fucking expensive with the out of pocket minimums that we wouldn't go unless it was a true emergency. Also, there isn't a OBGYN within 100 miles that takes Obamacare, so there's that.
I escaped this nonsense last year only through means that are not available to most people.
The only people who think that Obamacare helped - anyone* - is a fucking idiot or such political lib faggot that they can't see past their own nose.
Also, as for pre-existing injuries, this is fucking nonsense. Provided you didn't have any gaps in coverage - and most responsible people successfully avoided gaps in coverage - this is a non-problem.
* - exception: medicaid expansion helped some working poors. |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: silver adventurous incel of course there are some problems with it but on balance it's a step in the right direction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411061) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:36 AM Author: hot party of the first part nowag How? Some middle class people had to take second jobs just to pay for skyrocketing healthcare with $7000 deductibles. I’m glad some more poor people have insurance that they didn’t have before, I really am. But being that I am low IQ, please explain how Obamacare benefits a huge number of actually productive Americans who now struggle to keep it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411153) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:49 AM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station right direction for libs = making healthcare more expensive and more difficult to access for hundreds of millions of people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411212) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: talented sadistic brunch hunting ground Absolutely not. It amounts to a huge transfer from young people to old people, which is indefensible from a policy perspective and results in borderline catastrophic out of pocket expenses for most of the population with respect to anything beyond office visits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411216) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter Sure but at least everyone’s covered (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411226) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:26 AM Author: Cracking Hell Organic Girlfriend look at your last sentence. the people you would deny are the people it's for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411116) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:49 AM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter So it helps people too irresponsible to maintain health insurance coverage and hurts responsible people? Glad you’ve given up on the “conservative” shtick completely now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411215) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station so fuck over 200 million people to help out 10 million? the lib mind at work. it would be easier if you just passed prolecare for proles and left everyone else the fuck alone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411218) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:51 AM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411222) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 11:32 AM Author: flushed flatulent pozpig You could have done a medicaid expansion without messing with private insurance, in fact it is totally unclear to me what the two have to do with each other.
Also, lol at states that took the one-time payment to expand their medicaid enrollment. |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:14 PM Author: ruddy elastic band fortuitous meteor I have never had a gap in coverage. I got denied for a preexisting condition before Obamacare. The insurer was wrong, but simply delayed payment on treatment and refused to give any information regarding the refusal to me or the treating facility until the bill went to collections. This was before I was a lawyer, and did not know how to handle the situation correctly; if it happened now, I would have a bad faith suit drafted and on the desk of the company counsel about 72 hours after the initial denial. Except that they wouldn't try to pull that bullshit, because it isn't an option.
A friend of mine broke his arm skiing and went to the hospital. The same insurer denied this claim as a preexisting condition as well.
Obamacare may be a fucked-up frankenpolicy with absurd costs, but bullshit denials for preexisting conditions were hardly "fucking nonsense." |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: Contagious aqua parlour Lifetime and annual limits fucked people hard as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411833) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:39 PM Author: flushed flatulent pozpig Do you think that the ACA will make it easier or harder for companies to break the rules without consequence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414119) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:11 AM Author: hot party of the first part nowag I see that you linked this thread as proof of my low IQ
Keep in mind that because of Obamacare, I lost my work provided healthcare insurance, and then saw premiums go from like $125 to $450 a month over the course of 3-4 years. I never made a single insurance claim for anything over that time. It raped me. I feel like I have a right to bitch about this
Addressing your questions, sure they were out of control before Obamacare. And I’m sure some poor people got insurance that didn’t have it before. But please tell me how Obamacare regulated any costs (they still kept going up), and in particular why it is a good thing that tens of millions of productive middle class types had their premiums increase 100% a year for several years after Obamacare was enacted? assume I’m low IQ like you alleged.
As for ore existing conditions, yes that’s a good part of Obamacare. Was it impossible to enact that in any other way? You can be creative here. |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: Odious nibblets Don't forget about your now exorbitantly high deductible! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411075) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:33 AM Author: hot party of the first part nowag True too. My health insurance is basically catastrophic insurance, worthless other than that. Tens of Millions of Americans made similar changes in their insurance. And we are actually productive citizens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411142) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station don't forget the 20%-30% "coinsurance" you have to pay once you meet the deductible. $5K deductible with nothing else would actually be a deal. The real number is the $10K+ out of pocket max you would have to pay if any real shit happened to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411235) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: glittery frozen idea he suggested liquid oxygen Huh? This is exactly how it worked pre-ACA and ACA instituted a cap on annual max. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411633) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 2:54 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station pre-aca people had plans that actually paid for shit so they didn't have to worry about out of pocket maximums. now everyone is stuck in sps high deductible/pay for dick after deductible plans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36412868) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: glittery frozen idea he suggested liquid oxygen Jesus you’re retarded. The exact opposite of what you said is true and that’s the only reason why the GOP failed spectacularly at repeal and replace last year. Please read Sotomayor McCheese’s post above and then kill yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413899) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station wow cool anecdotes above. Here's another one: I had to have to surgery from a skiing accident like cockcheese above. it cost my parents a few hundred dollars as opposed to the $15K it would cost today. they were able to still buy me a car when I turned 16 and I got laid in the back seat. my parents had and maintained coverage like responsible ppl so it was no issue.
instead of having a few one off stories where idiots get boned by ins cos and we're all supposed to feel bad, we now have a system where they don't pay for anything for both responsible people and idiots alike.
more anecdotes: I know many people who simply say they have no insurance when they go to the doctor. they paying less than they would out of pocket through insurance. |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: silver adventurous incel i don't agree with that thread and I removed that link (which was in jest) before I read your post.
But you do have a right to bitch about your healthcare costs. I just think the source of that anger is misdirected. We can agree to disagree on that.
And my costs went up as well. But I don't view my situation as an indictment on Obamacare overall. There are just too many distortions in the healthcare market and fundamental problems with the american healthcare system that I think it's wrong to place them solely on Obamacare
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:51 AM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter You’re just desperate to defend your hero’s legacy. It’s pathetic and transparent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411220) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 11:33 AM Author: flushed flatulent pozpig Poor people have medicaid. They're fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411511) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: Wonderful stead Anyone in the xo demographic who likes obamacare is a faggot lib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411185) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 11:41 AM Author: glittery frozen idea he suggested liquid oxygen Of course. Any triple digit IQ lib knows Obama pussed out on the ACA just like he pussed out on everything else throughout his entire POTUSy. It’s amazing there was no one in the room who could convince Obama and his key lieutenants that 1) passing a bill that did nothing about costs was almost as bad as doing nothing, 2) the entire country HATES heath insurers so there’s no penalty to pay elections-wise for attacking them and forcing them to cave to a public option, and 3) doing nothing about how SPS medical billing is in this country was also completely stupid. It sucks ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411571) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 11:26 AM Author: glittery frozen idea he suggested liquid oxygen “Everyone” is fake news. Employer based premiums have gone up at a historically low rate since ACA passed. Individual plans have gone up a ton (not sure where the 400% number comes from but you can find plenty of numbers like 79% in 2014 alone). But that makes sense given that pre-ACA an individual plan was just an invitation to pay money in order to negotiate how hard your ass got fucked when you actually had a major illness. It’s simple math, given that insurers are getting huge subsidies and charging more and still losing tons of money and withdrawing from the exchanges. If the GOP actually does anything to do away with pre-existing conditions or lifetime limits they will get raped in the midterms and murder-raped in 2020. Trump gets this but Randtard dumbass faggot Paul Ryan and his cuck buddies don’t of course.
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/employer-premiums-and-the-aca/ |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:00 PM Author: Clear Big Point Dingle Berry Most people on the exchanges are getting subsidized bigly too. These idiots believe everything is Obama's fault. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411695) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:16 PM Author: Pea-brained Electric Market factcheck.org lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411791) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: glittery frozen idea he suggested liquid oxygen youreafagwithnolinksandnofacts.org haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36412514) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station love how libs interchange percentages and hard numbers whenever it suits their interests.
rates of increase SHOULD go down as premium levels get higher and higher you disingenuous faggot. |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: trip bipolar twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse that was the entire point. to push everyone into corporate employment/kill entrepreneurship.
next was going to be employer-provided housing.
lose your job-- lose your healthcare, lose your home. modern day feudalism. |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station employer based coverage isn't much better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36412948) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: trip bipolar twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse it's far better than the ocare pools (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36412951) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:08 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station it should be. until we establish a lower tier of health care specifically for proles, the individual market is going to be a shitshow. in america, proles have lower but acceptable qualities of housing, education, food, transportation, clothing, etc, etc, but for some reason we stop short at healthcare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36412984) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: trip bipolar twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse all entrepreneurs are proles now? fucking wagecuck bootlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36412994) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station no, I was saying that the individual market includes proles as well as entrepreneurs, which pulls down the entrepreneurs. proles need to be on their own system that involves lower but acceptable quality care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413008) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: trip bipolar twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse how would you make that differentiation? entrepreneurs can be broke but productive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413019) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station they can get prolecare the same way they send their kids to public schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413098) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:28 PM Author: trip bipolar twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse lol, or if obama actually cared about healthcare, he could've largely left insurance alone and focused instead on controlling medical cost inflation, hospital/facilities pricing, fee by outcome, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413118) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:07 PM Author: glittery frozen idea he suggested liquid oxygen Preexisting conditions, annual and lifetime limits you stupid piece of shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413916) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:22 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station meanwhile literally like 100 million ppl have lost or have reduced access to coverage because of insane premiums/deductibles/OOP max.
oh yea but ins cos now cover prexisting conditions but you still have to pay for it all yourself |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: trip bipolar twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse like libs actually give a shit about people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414030) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: Clear Big Point Dingle Berry Do you actively cultivate your ignorance or is it just natural? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413020) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: trip bipolar twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse stfu you weird little queer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413030) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:18 PM Author: Clear Big Point Dingle Berry (Thick headed libertarian applying his decades and decades proven wrong dogmatic feelings based paradigm of mah free markets and racism to everything he encounters calling others a weird little queer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413057) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: multi-colored cordovan multi-billionaire It's total horseshit and anyone (other than the working poor and I suppose insurance company execs and major stockholders) should be livid.
I pay $1400/mo for a family of 3 with no health issues. This is the lowest amount I can pay to be compliant.
I haven't been to a doctor in years, so it's effectively catastrophic coverage for me.
No publicly available plan (I'm technically self-employed) is taken by PAMF, the largest medical group by me -- the one that "everyone" uses. So most doctors recommended to us by friends won't take our $1400/mo insurance.
My wife goes to what is effectively a clinic for OBGYN. Maybe one half-step above what true poors go to.
Poasters tell me to just do Kaiser, but I can't shake its reputation in my head, and with Stanford and UCSF in our backyard, if something really did go wrong, why would I want to leave it up to Kaiser to determine whether they would refer us to them? |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 11:57 AM Author: Clear Big Point Dingle Berry Do you watch Fox news by chance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411686) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: hot party of the first part nowag Honestly never. Occasionally I’ll watch a tucker YouTube clip posted on xoxo. Never watch it otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36412668) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: Clear Big Point Dingle Berry So where are you getting this idea. Just your gut feeling? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413027) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 7:39 PM Author: hot party of the first part nowag yes. 100% from my gut. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414805) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Pea-brained Electric Market This is such a 2000s argument. Get with the times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36412786) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: Clear Big Point Dingle Berry It's a lot worse now than the 2000s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413032) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:19 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station clearly this means we need to dive headfirst into single payer. I mean it totally works in Europe right! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413063) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: Clear Big Point Dingle Berry Jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413072) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:08 PM Author: jet-lagged codepig if only there was a republican president and congress to fix the system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411738) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: Nighttime Nubile Hominid Space mccain and collins aren't republicans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413068) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station really what we should have done is elect an anti-american half kenyan from Hawaii in 2008 by a ridiculously large margin and given him/her majorities in both houses. they probably would have fixed everything overnight simply by imitating what EVERY OTHER FIRST WORLD NATION does since it is literally that simple. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413087) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:11 PM Author: Galvanic trump supporter area libs are awful people, just awful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411756) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 12:11 PM Author: jet-lagged codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36411758) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: trip bipolar twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse it really comes down to this. they want corporate feudalism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413004) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:13 PM Author: Galvanic trump supporter area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413024) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:27 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station they want a welfare system that pulls up a small minority of poors and pushes down the vast majority of regular people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413107) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:25 PM Author: Tripping Hairless Blood Rage Pretty much sums it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414037) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter Its called social justice bigot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414106) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 6:46 PM Author: Tripping Hairless Blood Rage It’s called de-incentivizing employment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414542) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 6:48 PM Author: trip bipolar twinkling uncleanness meetinghouse they dont want to do that though, although that's always been the traditional quip Rs have had against Ds.
The neoliberal Ds want a welfare state but one that's done in partnership with the private sector. the progressives otoh dont really know what they want other than reflexively yelling for open borders socialism, which absolutely would de-incentivize employment and, more importantly, productivity, and plunge us into hobbesian chaos rather than slavery under the neoliberal vision |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 7:33 PM Author: Tripping Hairless Blood Rage regardless of what they "want to do," i'm saying that is the result.
i lived it.
i was hired into a difficult job. the workplace's insurance premiums had gone sky-high because of the ACA. so, to skirt contributing to employees' insurance, they began hiring full-time workers, like me, "part time." it was tough to get employment, and it was considered a good job, so people would still accept it.
so i had to work full-time, get paid under 30 hours per week, and get destroyed with obscene obamacare premiums each month paying for my own insurance on top of my reduced pay.
add those ridiculous ACA monthly costs into rent, student loan payments, and utilities and other costs, and I thought to myself, "why the hell am i working my ass off in a difficult job, to take home this small amount of pay, all to pay for the insurance of those who don't work (many of whom are quite able bodied)?"
it literally felt stupid to slog through the horrors of work instead of just quit, get medicaid, get subsidized housing, food stamps, etc., and not have to work. and maybe sell some drugs on the side for extra cash. |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:31 PM Author: Thriller sneaky criminal Why are you blaming libs for this? It’s faggot ass joe Liebermans fault the public option wasn’t included in the bill. Bear in mind the whole structure is a Heritage foundation plan.
Look, it’s a insurance co handout. But at least it moved the Overton window towards single payer. That plus the government setting price schedules is the ONLY thing that will control costs |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: amethyst floppy locale philosopher-king And now thanks to this poast, the Overton window has moved toward gassing anyone who uses the term Overton window in any context (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36413307) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:28 PM Author: silver adventurous incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414056) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:33 PM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter LOL so Obama’s “signature accomplishment”, which he shoved through congress w/o bipartisan support, was a plot by the Heritage Foundation? Do you understand why we dont take you guys seriously ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414084) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:45 PM Author: Galvanic trump supporter area "libs" "understand" |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:47 PM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter Kill yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414170) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 7:34 PM Author: Thriller sneaky criminal Are you retarded? Where did I say it was a plot? It’s a conservative interest group’s plan to fix our fucked up healthcare system.
It wasn’t bipartisan? Did you know it included literally hundreds of GOP amendments and had nearly a year of debate? |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:33 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station "public option" is bullshit if they get the same care everyone else who actually pays for it does. i'm not holding my breath for govt to control costs either given that they have basically no accountability to do so and their only concern is/would be to keep proles from chimping out over some sob story of some asshole being denied care. it will be a fucking mess and you know it. libs just hate the middle class that much and want to ruin them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414087) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter I don’t necessarily think that its just bc they hate the middle class. This is an important ideological thing for them. That’s why they defend it so desperately and blame its shortcomings on Republicans who didn’t support it in the first place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414097) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 7:35 PM Author: Thriller sneaky criminal why are other first world countries able to set price schedules with ease? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414777) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 7:37 PM Author: Khaki sickened faggot firefighter “Other first world countries have it!!” Is so weak. Other first world countries dont have rampant obseity, 60mm mexicans and a barbaric underclass you fucking imbecile (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36414787) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:38 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station Because you have garbage cultures and suffering and death is just a fact of life or we’re all just fat lazy entitled assholes. Probably a combination of the two (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36415724) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 5:41 PM Author: flushed flatulent pozpig Overton window moved to where libs fucked up so badly that Donald Trump could win the presidency screaming BUILD THE WALL.
In the regard, I suppose, thank you libs. |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 8:47 PM Author: Galvanic trump supporter area It's a continuing annoyance that drugs cost more here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36415292) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:56 PM Author: boyish obsidian casino They are also invented here. The US effectively subsides pharmaceutical r&d for the rest of the planet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343016) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 8:52 PM Author: Galvanic trump supporter area According to Atul Gawande, one reason for the high cost of health care in the U.S. is doctors performing unnecessary tests and procedures. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/05/11/overkill-atul-gawande |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:25 PM Author: exciting splenetic resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#36416159) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: black titillating ticket booth That never happened (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343139) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station you're right. it's more like 700%-800% when you factor in rising deductibles, out of pocket maximums, drug costs, and costs of basic services. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343160) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:25 PM Author: black titillating ticket booth But not for everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343179) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:32 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station no just like 80% of the country. but hey at least those 25M ppl now have insurance that they can't actually afford to use!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343215) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Metal kitty plaza good thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343232) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:47 PM Author: Lavender sticky preventive strike gas station not good for my blood pressure. good thing my insurance has a $15K out of pocket max and won't even deny me for a preexisting condition!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4023724&forum_id=2#37343285) |