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In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/12/18
Curious about stories where you left within 1 year because t...
In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/12/18
happens all the time. most laterals are on the way out the d...
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  07/12/18
fuckís sake
In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/12/18
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  07/12/18
I want to leave to get a fresh start. I used to be a great a...
In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/12/18
"Fresh starts" don't normally work. You are who yo...
.,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:,::,.
  07/12/18
cr. law is ONE WRONG MOVE. no fresh starts
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  07/12/18
You donít think itís feasible to turn things around by, eg, ...
In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/12/18
You either have the passion for the practice of law in you o...
HojRakso
  07/13/18
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'''''''"'"
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anglican lawyer
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Kosher Jesus
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xo kav
  07/18/18
gas yourself
longwangpoontang
  07/12/18
mods
.,.,....,.,.,.,:,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,.
  07/12/18
I cant imagine nit regretting a decision
leolenin
  07/12/18
i regret my inhouse move more than my lateral move. at my s...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  07/12/18
The gravy train ends eventually
;;;';';;';;;;;;''';';''';
  07/12/18
Whyíd you regret in-house? Yes Iíve learned thereís a pri...
In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/12/18
Whatís the price
;;;';';;';;;;;;''';';''';
  07/12/18
You donít learn anything. I do want to grow as a profess...
In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/12/18
This is exactly why I left my firm. I liked the people but w...
BARRY
  07/17/18
big paycut for what are ultimately the same hours more or le...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  07/13/18
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In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/13/18
yeah, in retrospect, I should've kept it that fumble cost u...
literal Marxist calling you a literal Nazi
  07/12/18
Kind of. Lateraling is difficult. Not the interviews, but ...
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  07/12/18
Itís 180 if you just want to skate through biglaw. Who the f...
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  07/12/18
No one, but you have to stick around long enough to land som...
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HojRakso
  07/17/18
I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
honiara
  07/13/18
Apparently firms ask you for your previous yearís billables ...
In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/17/18
ďSure, no problem: I billed 8,760 hours last year. Thanks.Ē
HojRakso
  07/17/18
run!
Poast Malone
  07/17/18
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.,.,....,.,.,.,:,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,.
  07/17/18
Srsly...is this normal?
In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/17/18
Iíve heard it once or twice during the height of ite. Seems ...
Poast Malone
  07/18/18
recruiter I'm working with says it's normal. seems like bul...
In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/18/18
All of the above plus none of the associates who have been w...
Gregor
  07/17/18
50 places higher! ďYouíre my Bumble 5, sugar, baby.Ē
In re: Favor House Atlantic
  07/17/18


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Date: July 12th, 2018 2:09 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36412534)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 2:11 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic

Curious about stories where you left within 1 year because the fit ended up being so poor. This is my biggest worry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36412544)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 2:16 PM
Author: \ \ / /_ ~ _\ \ / / (*)

happens all the time. most laterals are on the way out the door at their old firms, otherwise why would they leave? so they're kinda desperate or not that good associates in the first place or dont like the shitty job and dont work that hard... and there's more pressure as a lateral unless they get dropped into a big group w/ no accountability, and they flame out pretty quickly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36412573)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:10 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic

fuckís sake

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415475)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:11 PM
Author: \ \ / /_ ~ _\ \ / / (*)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415491)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:38 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic

I want to leave to get a fresh start. I used to be a great associate but completely fell apart after breaking up with the LTR that brought me to the city. Fell into a typical downward spiral for about a year or so after that that hasnít really stopped. Started drinking alone. Performing poorly at work. Losing trust / damaging work relationships. Avoidance. More drinking to cope. I want to just tell someone that Iím all fucked up and need a legit sabbatical or something, but Iíve got $110k in loans left to pay down so Iíve continued limping along to collect my paycheck. But it feels wrong. I donít like the feeling of ďcoasting.Ē I didnít work this hard to get here just to be a cynical, depressed parasite.

Anyway. Hoping a clean slate will provide the kindling to get my motivation back. Will really suck to be wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415716)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:44 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:,::,.


"Fresh starts" don't normally work. You are who you are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415784)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: \ \ / /_ ~ _\ \ / / (*)

cr. law is ONE WRONG MOVE. no fresh starts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415802)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:53 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic

You donít think itís feasible to turn things around by, eg, lateraling to low COL home city where all your friends and family are? Maybe youíre right, but I guess Iím more optimistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415839)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: HojRakso

You either have the passion for the practice of law in you or you don't. It's not something that's situational or contextual. There's a fundamental fiber in the universe that is either in or not in all of us. Some people only have it as a faint presence--they might sense a potential statutory inconsistency as they read the morning daily news, or muse about, for a passing moment, whether a new city regulation was artfully drafted or not. Those people are law sensitive but, at least without training, not truly of the law. Others have law levels so highly charged that, almost despite themselves, their minds are attuned to the scholarship and art of the law from the earliest of ages. Even in their raw form, such individuals are legal forces to be reckoned with. With training, they might rise to the level of being asked to join a deal team or strike force under the auspices of the legal order, assuming they can find a partner mentor to apprentice them. It is important to remember, however, that simply because one's legal level is high does not guarantee that that innate talent will be put to a good end. There are some in the world who are possessed with extraordinary levels of jurisprudential potency but who have chosen to direct that strength toward evil ends. The temptation toward this befouled relationship with the law grows stronger over time in the absence of proper training and discipline. These dark lawyers would, unimpeded, threaten the order of the world that we hold so dear. Thankfully, there are those other forces of legal good in the world, ancient and honed orders, who stand opposed to them, and so maintain the intrinsic balance of things. Tradition says that one day a young associate will arrive who will alter this balance and allow the good men of the law to once and for all prevail, bringing order to chaos.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36419744)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: '''''''"'"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36419801)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: anglican lawyer (backspace)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36419808)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 3:02 PM
Author: \ \ / /_ ~ _\ \ / / (*)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36445681)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 11:31 PM
Author: Kosher Jesus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449401)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 12:04 AM
Author: xo kav



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449595)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: longwangpoontang

gas yourself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415940)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 10:05 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,.


mods

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415959)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: leolenin

I cant imagine nit regretting a decision

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36412675)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 2:35 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

i regret my inhouse move more than my lateral move. at my second firm i got away with murder because i worked for one aspie senior associate who inherited a book from a retiring rainmaker but he did almost everything himself in order to get hours up during his candidacy for partnership, then i recruited 2 URM juniors who did anything i said to show he could "build a practice". I billed <1k hours/yr for 2 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36412707)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: ;;;';';;';;;;;;''';';''';


The gravy train ends eventually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415513)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic

Whyíd you regret in-house?

Yes Iíve learned thereís a price to coasting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415568)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: ;;;';';;';;;;;;''';';''';


Whatís the price

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415573)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic

You donít learn anything.

I do want to grow as a professional with actual skills / competencies; I just canít stand big law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415596)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 10:50 PM
Author: BARRY

This is exactly why I left my firm. I liked the people but woke up one day as a fourth year and realized I had no idea how to actually be a lawyer. No arguing in court, barely any substantive filings, not even any depo experience. After a while, coasting for the paycheck doesnít make up for the fact that youíre nothing more than a meaningless cog in the billing machine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449143)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 2:32 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

big paycut for what are ultimately the same hours more or less as my last firm.

you're right that you don't learn much substantively when coasting but most of it's flame anyway and you'll learn by doing on your next job, so long as you can sell your way through the interview with enough buzzwords and anecdotes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36419794)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 5:01 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36421198)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:12 PM
Author: literal Marxist calling you a literal Nazi

yeah, in retrospect, I should've kept it

that fumble cost us the game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415506)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:41 PM
Author: ;;;.;;;;;:.;...::.;..;;.::.;;;;.;.:.....


Kind of. Lateraling is difficult. Not the interviews, but integrating and sticking around. So much so that Iíd caution against it unless youíre getting pushed out or are switching practice groups / locations / something similar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415755)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: ;;;';';;';;;;;;''';';''';


Itís 180 if you just want to skate through biglaw. Who the fuck wants to stick around?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415767)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: ;;;.;;;;;:.;...::.;..;;.::.;;;;.;.:.....


No one, but you have to stick around long enough to land somewhere good. Lateraling after 2 years and flaming out at your second firm in under a year is a good way to fuck everything up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415787)



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Date: July 12th, 2018 9:47 PM
Author: \ \ / /_ ~ _\ \ / / (*)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36415806)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 3:01 PM
Author: HojRakso



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36445668)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: honiara

I live my life a quarter mile at a time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36419938)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 10:31 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic

Apparently firms ask you for your previous yearís billables when lateraling? Is this typical?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449046)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: HojRakso

ďSure, no problem: I billed 8,760 hours last year. Thanks.Ē

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449055)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 10:54 PM
Author: Poast Malone

run!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449159)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 11:02 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,.




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449200)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 11:24 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic

Srsly...is this normal?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449361)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 12:00 AM
Author: Poast Malone

Iíve heard it once or twice during the height of ite. Seems like a place with shit culture

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449564)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic

recruiter I'm working with says it's normal. seems like bullshit. o well. thanks for the input.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449573)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: Gregor

All of the above plus none of the associates who have been with the firm since day 1 want to see you there. Why should they as they have carefully cultivated relationships with partners, worked their asses off, and then you show up from a firm ranked 10 places higher and are being taken out to lunch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449173)



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Date: July 17th, 2018 11:24 PM
Author: In re: Favor House Atlantic

50 places higher!

ďYouíre my Bumble 5, sugar, baby.Ē

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4024085&forum_id=2#36449360)