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Still cant get over how stupid DTP's opinion on deadlifting is
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water Lifting has the lowest injury rate of basically any athletic activity, and the current scientific consensus is that it’s paramount for preventing sarcopenia and age-related quality of life degeneration.
Pull with good form (flat back) and proper programming (don’t max every day), and you’ll be fine. Why is this so hard to understand?
He’s not a cult member like :D so he should understand this. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:44 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace it pains me to have to go over this thread again with you idiots because you're so retarded you can't think beyond a 3rd grade level. "ooga booga, big weights = buff, strong, health, good" is how you fucking retards come across to anyone with some perspective / balance on this issue.
first of all, your "studies" are all irrelevant. i'm sure nobody did fucking studies about the added benefit of deadlifting 400 lb vs 200 lb.
i said you can go ahead and deadlift 200 lb. i said it's STUPID to have the sort of mentality that would usually lead to deadlifting 400 lb. there's a big fucking difference you stupid retard.
ok sure, lift with good form and good "programming." those will certainly help. however that doesn't obviate the very OBVIOUS FACT that lifting a 400 lb bar off the floor, for the average office worker ESPECIALLY, defies all common sense as to what the body is supposed to do, is capable of doing, looks good as a result of doing, or is functionally benefited from doing. it's just plain bananas retarded nonsense bullshit.
if you have one bodily irregularity that renders "good form" moot, or you make one chronic mistake that gradually builds up, or you have an acute lapse in judgment and have an accident, you can get fucked up for life. i would even argue that, again, for the average office worker, it's perfectly natural to get fucked up from progressing a deadlift from 200 lb to 400 lb while sitting in an office chair for 12 hrs/day.
and all of the above would come at the expense of doing the multitudinous number of things with regards to fitness that has a WAY HIGHER marginal benefit in terms of health, fitness, looks, and feeling good. you're just grinding yourself to an obvious injury.
now fuck off and die before your idiocy gives me a headache |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: Dull rebellious school reading party this is really well written. i like your writing a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425777) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: hot library rigor He is a very good writer and is on point with DL.
People are just strawmaning him in their counter arguments |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: Crawly floppy home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426183) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: autistic patrolman His writing is shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426126) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water This is really dumb and I ended up reaponding piecemeal to your posts later in the thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425922) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace you're a retard, you've said nothing that i found valuable in any shape or form. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425943) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water Lmao I’m sorry you don’t know how to respond when you encounter people who actually know what they’re taking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425957) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:28 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace ok, retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425983) |
Date: July 14th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: Dull rebellious school reading party his weightlifting threads have confused me as well. especially as someone so into looksmaxing, you would think he would be all over weightlifting as the best -- by a huge margin -- way to looksmax. really strange. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425651) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: Fear-inspiring chest-beating point dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425681) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace stupid. surely you've heard of the gymcel? or do i need to post pics to remind you all of this again?
high quality women, and women in general, and especially asians, do not like huge guys. getting BIG really has diminishing returns.
idiotic meathead wannabes who advocate for the deadlift for functional/health reasons are also the sort of insensitive dumb fucks who are unable to grasp the nuances of aesthetics and therefore erroneously believe that gymcelling from 200 lb deadlift to 400 lb deadlift is actually a big difference in the eyes of women, and that it's "by a huge margin" the best form of looksmaxing there is - but it's not. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Supple Sound Barrier Queen Of The Night I'm a wagecuck office drone. What an earth am I doing risking a lower back injury just so that I can try to impress the babes, even though I'm never going to be buff enough to actually impress the babes anyway? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425659) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: Dull rebellious school reading party 80/20 rule. you can get most of the benefit from completely safe lifting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425667) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: Fear-inspiring chest-beating point dragon I’ve literally pulled multiple chicks from apps solely through lifting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425684) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:39 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water You’re not going to herniate a disk deadlifting with a flat back dude. Think about the anatomy here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425746) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace "think about the anatomy here"
holy fucking shit, i want to slap you in the face. this level of bovine herd-like idiocy reminds me of crypto fags who point to their favorite shitcoin, pens some 100 IQ argumentation and then smugly tells you to "think about the value proposition."
is this peterman?? |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: Crawly floppy home "with a flat back"
Well the issue is you're assuming perfect form every time forever.
Look I used to DL 350. Not amazing, but not shit. I DL around 200 now because I'm in my 30s and have a kiddood and want to be able to play with kiddood instead of laying on my back with a herniated disk because I was mid-DL and my kid screamed and I lost concentration. Or a yellow jacket flew by. Or I sneezed. Or I just got half an hour too little sleep last night. Etc. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:05 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water A little spinal flexion won’t kill you. This catastrophic thinking is counterproductive — it’s preventing you from training and will make it harder to recover from any minor injuries you might sustain.
I say flat back because that’s the ideal. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:31 PM Author: Citrine Personal Credit Line Crackhouse Do you need a personal trainer to learn how to dl and squat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425695) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: Dull rebellious school reading party no.
https://stronglifts.com/squat/ https://stronglifts.com/deadlift/
start with very low weight. film your sets from the side to check form. do not lift clothed or you won't be able to see back clearly obvs. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Citrine Personal Credit Line Crackhouse So I should buy a bar to practice at home? Can’t lift shirtless at equinox (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425719) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Dull rebellious school reading party i'm kidding. you can see your form fine with a shirt on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425730) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:43 PM Author: opaque slimy stain You simply don't need to deadlift to have a good physique. If the risk of injury is even marginally greater from DL'ing compared to alternative posterior chain exercises then it's not worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425762) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:47 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water No single lift is necessary for a good physique.
Further, thr claim that a deadlift (properly performed) puts you at any more injury risk than a squat or bench (for instance) is a total myth as far as I can tell. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace every person's body is different. every person's body has structural weaknesses and irregularities. most of those are complex and go undetected. in addition, literally every person's body in modern society has been emaciated from a lifetime of unnatural sedentary factory-farm-like conditions.
WHY, knowing all this, would you tax your body to the max in this very obviously dangerous movement, while relying on "just have good form bro!" "trust in the anatomy bro!" as the only failsafe from wrecking your spine for life? |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water I’m going to respond to this point separately, even though you make it in your post above, because it is worth emphasizing.
Your comment about “structural weaknesses and irregularities” evinces an extremely poor understanding of the cause of injury and pain. Everyone is asymmetric and irregular to some degree and barring gross malformations this is usually not causally related to injuries (which are often are the cause of chronic overwork and under recovery).
There’s a more in depth discussion here:
Further, this sort of purely structural model of injury and pain has been dispensed with by modern science. The “back pain” the office workers you lampoon complain about is often partially caused by psycho-social factors. For a scientific reference you can check a recent issue of The Lancet; for a popular audience I like Paul Ingraham’s Complete Guide to Low Back Pain, which is meticulously referenced. (Use google.) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace spare me the "sports science"
if you actually think that modern back pain is not a result of everyone sitting or lying down for 22 hrs/day, but instead is a "psycho-social phenomenon" then you are worse than :D and you're patently retarded and nobody should listen to you about anything ever. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water That’s not what I said, and you should read The Lancet issue I mentioned before you say dumb shit like this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425910) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace sports science is a lot like nutrition science - a bunch of retarded mumbo-jumbo that self-contradicts at every turn, and i literally LOL at you for citing a sports science BLOG that concludes with this gem of a conclusive finding:
"Side-to-side strength imbalances may affect injury risk when sprinting or jogging, but they probably don’t affect injury risk from lifting very much (or, if they do, I wasn’t able to find any data on it)." |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water You should read that again, carefully. Lifting is an inherently low risk sport and everyone has minor structural imbalances and does fine. Even top lifters hoisting 500 pounds above their heads.
You should also check that Lancet issue homie.
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:38 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace you would never pass the LSAT. and you're retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426049) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water I love the DVP school of public health. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426281) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water Btw here’s that reference for the biopsychosocial model: https://www.thelancet.com/series/low-back-pain |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:56 PM Author: mildly autistic hell mediation He's unhinged, retarded, and his diatribes make my eyes bleed, but he's right about this for *most* people. Most people should do some pushups and pull-ups, play a recreational sport or do a 7 minute workout every AM and call it day. Or lift weights normally. Making it a goal in life to dead lift heavy is not normal and only extremely proficient weightlifters with certain body types who are extremely OCD about form, results etc. should even bother getting into this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425821) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:00 PM Author: indecent psychic for the vast majority of men over 35, I would not suggest deadlifting. The risk v. reward isn't there.
however, men must keep squatting for that keeps the gay away |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: Crusty free-loading persian there's nothing wrong with deadlifting into your 60s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425867) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:00 PM Author: Crusty free-loading persian he has these weird ideas that office workers shouldn't deadlift, that deadlifting over some arbitrary amount is bad, and that people deadlift for aesthetics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425833) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: Chartreuse irradiated halford becky i'm torn over which part of his argument is the dumbest but I think it's how he uses the fact that people don't exercise particular muscles in day to day life as a reason they should not exercise those muscles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425842) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace you're a retard.
they should do yoga, pilates, calisthenics - many hours of these - before even touching a fucking weight.
throwing them into deadlifts before they've learned to activate certain muscles they have, means you're telling them to do a dangerous activity "with proper form" when they're not even equipped to be able to achieve proper form. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water It’s not that hard to DL dude. Really. You shouldn’t spout off about things you know nothing about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425875) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace sure, it's not that hard to deadlift up to 200 lb. you should probably do that, if you feel like it, as part of a well balanced fitness regimen, meaning it should occupy less than 10% of your energy.
but for people of YOUR mindset, it becomes a central focus and you want to get up to 400 lb, which IS hard, and that's what i'm criticizing.
you: LITERALLY TOO STUPID TO READ AND COMPREHEND BASIC ARGUMENTS AT A 3rd GRADE LEVEL |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water I never said it should be a central focus, nor did I say that everyone should aim for 400 pounds. 200 is probably too light to be a useful stimulus for a young, healthy man with some training experience, however. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425920) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace go to bodybuilding.com forums sometime. i don't know who the fuck you are, and i don't particularly care, but if you're even proximal to their mentality, then i'm saying you're a stupid fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425952) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425967) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Crusty free-loading persian if your form is good enough to pull 200 lbs, it's good enough to safely try 205.
nobody is suggesting that it's a good idea and try to deadlift 400 lbs on your first try |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425951) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace you know what i mean, and if you're so retarded that you don't, kill yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425954) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water Lmao at this non-reply.
Let me translate:
“I don’t actually know what I’m talking about and got called on it so I’m just going to call you a retard now.” |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace ok, retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425973) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:28 PM Author: Crusty free-loading persian i have no idea what you mean. if you're ever going to deadlift 400 lbs it's going to be at the end of a process where you've practiced deadlifting at lots of different weights and never once tried a lift substantially heavier than one you've done before. you keep shrieking about 200 lbs and 400 lbs like those are the two relevant weights, but that just isn't how lifting works (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425982) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:28 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace you are so, so retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425985) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: Crusty free-loading persian because i know how to deadlift 400 lbs, and i know how i got there, which was by baby steps over time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426004) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace ah im glad, im so proud of you
wow! |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: Crusty free-loading persian wtf are you on about now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426107) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Chartreuse irradiated halford becky lol this is so incredibly dumb. you don't need hours of fucking yoga to do a proper deadlift. it's not even an exercise that requires any flexibility. if an argument can be made for any exercise people may not be able to achieve proper form without some buildup it's the squat, which requires some hamstring flexibility to do properly.
as long as you don't start of lifting more than you can do with proper form there's no reason not to march over from your office and deadlift.
do you know anything at all about lifting btw? |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace yeah dude, the average office worker doesn't need ANY mobility work or supplementary corrective exercises to begin progressing to a 400 lb deadlift. he can go from sitting in an office chair for 12 hours straight to the gym and start lifting 400 lb.
the back is like a well-oiled perpetual machine that was MEANT to do deadlifts.
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: Chartreuse irradiated halford becky yes, you are correct that you don't need corrective exercises to "begin progressing" to a 400lb deadlift. just like you don't need corrective exercises to "begin progressing" to a 300 lb bench. you just start at a weight you can handle, not by going straight to 300 lbs.
I assume your whole deadlift bit has been some kind of weird flame to draw out debate right? like you don't actually believe anything you wrote do you? |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425971) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace you are so dumb, i hate having to spell this out for you:
yes, you start at a weight you can handle, and then you up the weight when you are strong enough to handle more. but, there are certain movements and exercises, and i believe deadlift to be one, where your strength should not be the only limiting factor for how high you set the weight to be. because i think, for various reasons, that even if you CAN progess to a 400 lb deadlift, it doesn't mean you SHOULD attempt to do that, because you'll very likely meet with injury along the way and it's simply not worth it.
was this very hard for you to comprehend and digest, and more importantly, infer? i hate having to talk to grown men like little kids, but here i am. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Chartreuse irradiated halford becky I don't need to infer that you believe without any evidence that deadlifting causes injury at a higher rate than other lifts because you've said it before a number of times, with no evidence. we get it: you have an irrational belief that you want others to share. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425992) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace i don't have any "studies" to back me up.
it's just my opinion. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water What imbues the deadlift with magic injury voodoo, my friend? Why shouldn’t be it be progressively loaded like every other exercise? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425995) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace it's my opinion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426024) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: opaque slimy stain Puts the most tension on the lower back which is genetically a vulnerable area in many ppl while simultaneously heavily taxing the CNS, which leads to breakdowns in form. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426034) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water The CNS shit is just broscience voodoo. They’ve done studies on this and it’s just a myth.
Also lol at “genetically vulnerable.”
Squatting and benching also tax the low back. So does basically any loaded human movement. What is so special about the deadlift? This is just fearmongering bullshit.
Incidentally, this kind of catastrophising is correlated with onset of and poor recovery from pain and injury. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: opaque slimy stain Uh what? CNS is broscience? Do you understand how muscles work bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426085) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:16 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water "CNS fatigue” is broscience, yes. I can link studies later if you care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426254) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: opaque slimy stain http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/9000155
hth
Also, more generally, why would a pre-workout stimulant lead to better performance (as evidenced by numerous studies and real world experiences) if CNS activation doesn’t play a part in strenuous exercise? |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 6:31 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water Obviously the CNS is involved in exercise. But the idea that you can “fry your CNS” for days, or that deadlifts are uniquely taxing in this regard, is bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36427175) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace hmm.. "what could possibly be so special about the "deadlift" with regards to the lower back?? the bench press also stresses the lower back! in fact, thinking that the deadlift could lead to injury and worrying about that, is bad for your psychological mood, which is the REAL cause of injury!"
hmm |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:10 PM Author: Multi-colored National he's a stupid stupid dude with stupid opinions from what I can gather (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425882) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace (retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426046) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: white dashing house jew he's a retard. news at 11. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425933) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace (retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426041) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Fragrant Gold Mexican Native Deadlift proponents doing God’s work ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36425993) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace (retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426045) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Fragrant Gold Mexican Native You got blown out, sorry someone called you out on your shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426092) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace link?
(retard most likely impressed by an inconclusive exercise blog) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: cream racy theater stage electric furnace still waiting for link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426156) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: vivacious house-broken lay he's right. you don't need to deadlift for a good physique, you don't need to deadlift for injury prevention or health reasons. good form doesn't magically protect your back from injury, and form breaks down anyway during max efforts. so why take the risk unless you are training or competing as a powerlifter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426163) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:07 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water Because it’s not more risky than any of the other lifts people do on a regular basis. It’s also quite useful for getting jacked and being able to perform any manual labor required of you, though of course no single lift is necessary. It’s just a useful tool that pointless scaremongering shouldn’t make you give up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426206) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: Unhinged awkward lodge famous landscape painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426185) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: slap-happy gas station crotch bruce lee broke his back doing 135lb good mornings. he should have been deadlifting, its safer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426248) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: Laughsome center boiling water If anyone wants a long form discussion of why DVP’s thoughts on pain and injury are wrong and counterproductive, here is a good place to start.
https://startingstrength.com/article/aches-and-pains |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: vibrant site depressive It is essentially Trump's position on exercise, so I can't hate it that much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025840&forum_id=2#36426258) |
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