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Bad thing about World Cup is that the final is always kind of anti-climactic
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:11 PM Author: Comical Aquamarine Locus Most people have stopped caring because their team is out.
Have to wait 3-4 days after the excitement of the 2 back-to-back semifinal games, then you have the dumbass 3rd place game, and THEN the final. |
Date: July 14th, 2018 11:14 PM Author: french lettuce Kinda the way it goes with a lot of knockout tournaments
The NCAA bball tournament is the same way. Each weekend gets less and less exciting. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:16 PM Author: Comical Aquamarine Locus Right. But i think there's still generally more interest all the way to the end there because you don't need as many days off in basketball, and most people who watch aren't just watching because they're alums or fans of particular teams, whereas whole countries kind of completely "check out" of the WC after their team loses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36428516) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:19 PM Author: french lettuce Yeah, not disagreeing.
I actually think the group stage on the whole is way more interesting than the knockout stage. I find myself way less interested when the group stage ends. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:20 PM Author: Comical Aquamarine Locus For at least one World Cup, I think in the 80s, they actually had a second group stage before moving to knockout. I actually think that would be a good idea to go back to (especially if they want to add more teams) but I'm sure they won't do it.
EDIT: here it is, it was 1982
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_FIFA_World_Cup
The 1982 competition used a unique format. The first round was a round-robin group stage containing six groups of four teams each. Two points were awarded for a win and one for a draw, with goal difference used to separate teams equal on points. The top two teams in each group advanced. In the second round, the twelve remaining teams were split into four groups of three teams each, with the winner of each group progressing to the knockout semi-final stage. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:28 PM Author: french lettuce I like that. I suppose the argument is always that more group play creates more matches for teams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36428566) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:32 PM Author: Comical Aquamarine Locus Yeah, also you avoid penalty shootouts until the semifinals I guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36428581) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:17 PM Author: Lime Aphrodisiac Sneaky Criminal The Superbowl is an exception because it's usually a lot of fun to watch and it's the biggest sports related party day of the year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36428520) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: tripping fear-inspiring psychic deer antler it's an exception because it's GC soma from the fire hose (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36428594) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:39 PM Author: french lettuce i'm no superbowl fan. haven't watched it in years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36428609) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:37 PM Author: laughsome hospital wait, did the final already happen? its france vs. croatia, right? im rooting for croatia because fuck niggers, but france will probably have won because holy shit those guys are fast and energetic as a super sayan goku from dbz. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36428598) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:37 PM Author: Comical Aquamarine Locus Yeah, it's tomorrow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36428602) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:38 PM Author: laughsome hospital k, gonna be big.
lets go croatia! |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 10:55 AM Author: Comical Aquamarine Locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36429890) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: french lettuce I was thinking more about this yesterday as I caught maybe 15 minutes of the final.
I think you're right that the final is particularly anti-climactic. In addition, in a knockout tournament generally, but in weighty matches in a single-elimination tournament especially, the format is really problematic because issues are magnified 100-fold, such as an iffy penalty or a good player out because of yellow cards. Also, PKs become a real problem as well.
Over the course of a season in the EPL for example you expect those issues to even out, but in this format, and especially in an international event where corruption is almost a given, it's a real problem.
To dovetail with what we discussed earlier in the thread, I think my idea would be to have 3 rounds of group stages, with the last round having 4 teams that play each other team twice. That both keeps more teams in it and smooths over single-game issues.
If the event realllly wants a final, I suppose you could end with two groups of 4, with the winners playing a final and the runners up playing for 3rd. |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 10:56 PM Author: Comical Aquamarine Locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36441611) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: french lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36438511) |
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Date: August 1st, 2018 4:49 PM Author: french lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36535801) |
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Date: August 1st, 2018 5:03 PM Author: elite trip round eye It loses interest in the US because soccer is just a virtue signaling fad for 75%+ of the people watching (millenial libs) and after they've performed the act a couple of weeks everyone slowly stops caring and expecting others to care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#36535907) |
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Date: August 1st, 2018 5:07 PM Author: french lettuce you're sort of partially right.
there's so much action and "event"-status and parties etc at the beginning that everyone gets involved. but when it whittles down casual/non-fans don't really care anymore. |
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Date: January 2nd, 2019 3:50 PM Author: french lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4026197&forum_id=2#37514205) |