Not a Trumpmo, been supportive/open minded, yesterday he fucked up
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Date: July 17th, 2018 12:11 PM Author: thriller state
It's a big strategic error that he made and it will lead to unnatural alliances if he pursues this. He conflated Russian collusion (which I believe Trump when he says it's a witch hunt) with Russian meddling, which Russians have, beyond a shadow of a doubt, perpetrated and which was directed by Putin himself. They're clearly trying to infiltrate and influence our electoral process to sew discord and make Americans lose faith in their democratic institutions. Trump cucked out. Big time. And it was sad to watch. He let his ego get in the way and confused collusion with meddling. If he's Mr. Pro-America, he should have slammed Putin, and slammed him hard. He screamed at Germany over a gas pipeline and let Putin off on interfering in internal American elections?
This is Trump's worst moment. Cringeworthy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444319) |
Date: July 17th, 2018 12:13 PM Author: puce adventurous sanctuary pisswyrm
“Russian meddling, which Russians have, beyond a shadow of a doubt, perpetrated and which was directed by Putin himself”
Can you people stop lying for 5 seconds
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444332) |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: thriller state
All of our intelligence leaders, including the one's on Trump's team, believe and have seen proof indicating Russia's meddling for quite some time and that they will continue to do this.
Vladimir Putin denies all of this and say he directed none of this.
One is telling the truth, one is lying. Which is which?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444434) |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 7:30 PM Author: stirring patrolman
this is false. there is nothing out anywhere. Muller's "indictment" is a sham.
you really believe fucking GUCCIFER was russian? dude is fucking GUCCIFER. he could be anyone he wants to be. DUDE IS A HACKER. intelligence community is probably so far down the wrong rabbit hole at this point.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36447905) |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 12:40 PM Author: thriller state
"We've had more than a year to get our act together and address the threat posed by Russia and implement a strategy to deter future attacks. But we still do not have a plan," Warner said.
Warner questioned Coats and the other officials testifying — CIA Director Mike Pompeo, FBI Director Chris Wray, NSA Director Adm. Michael Rogers, Defense Intelligence Agency Director Lt. Gen. Robert Ashley and National Geospatial Intelligence Agency Director Robert Cardillo — about how the government was addressing the threat to both the US election systems and through social media. He asked all six of the US officials testifying to reaffirm the intelligence community's findings last year that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, and that the Kremlin will continue to intervene in future elections. All said yes."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/intelligence-chiefs-russia-2018-elections-target/index.html
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444516) |
Date: July 17th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Electric indian lodge electric furnace
what does "slamming" Putin look like? we already have massive amounts of sanctions against russia. Trump was just cajoling NATO to spend more in defense against Russia. he implied Germany being beholden to Russia was a bad thing
there's no point in calling a meeting in a neutral country only to cry over spilled milk. if our democracy can be "hacked" or meddled with by adversaries with internet access, then we have bigger problems that we ourselves have to deal with
Russia is potentially a huge and invaluable strategic partner, and it's about time we dug ourselves out of the shit that Bush and Obama dragged us into. in other words it's time to be adults about foreign affairs, not hissyfitting over every false flag human rights violation committed by people who are trying to drag us into their localized disputes
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444420) |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: thriller state
"he implied Germany being beholden to Russia was a bad thing"
Then goes and look beholden to Putin by totally letting him off the hook. You scream at the EU, UK, Germany for days over gas and defense spending, call them a FOE, and then fail to castigate Putin for directly hack attacks on the US?
I get that they are a big power. That doesn't mean we have to accept their behavior. Trump didn't even call it out! Absolutely pathetic. Horrible showing on his part.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444450) |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Electric indian lodge electric furnace
russia is still very much on the hook as far as the US is concerned.
- no end in sight for sanctions
- strong support for ukraine entering the western orbit
- "screaming" at our allies, if they listen, is bad for russia
and again, try to answer the question. what does "castigating" or "calling out" Putin even look like? grab him by the ear and twist until he admits what he did? the whole point of this meeting was to move forward and find common ground. russia is taking an asspounding in the US media and govt circles, so i dont see why Trump has to ruin his personal relationship with Putin, upon which so much depends, just to prove to a bunch of haters that he's not Putin's bottom
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444467)
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Date: July 17th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Vigorous Jap
Imagine the board reaction if Obama or Clinton gave a similar performance yesterday. People are hyperventilating too much though. It is no coincidence that the Marines were holding war games in the Ukraine at the same time Trump is meeting with Putin. Trump says a lot of stuff that in the end don't mean anything. It was a weak and embarrassing performance, but it won't matter in the end.
https://www.stripes.com/ukrainian-troops-keep-russia-on-their-minds-as-they-train-with-us-marines-1.537838
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444444) |
Date: July 17th, 2018 12:40 PM Author: Sapphire area sex offender
Ok, this is all a somewhat reasonable take, but on the other side you have insane Libs wanting Trump to declare that it was an act of war right there during the press conference because Putin exposed the DNC and Democrat party.
Since I'm forced to choose, I'll take Trump's approach.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444518) |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: Red Therapy
Completely agree, but hes a rational actor responding to the environment around him.
Our Russia foreign policy has been SPS since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
We try to act like a victim internationally, when in reality, were partially responsible for Russia as it currently exists and interacts with the world.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36446186) |
Date: July 17th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: 180 piazza
I’m sure we all be shocked if Russia wasn’t trying to meddle in our (and many other countries’) elections/politics.
Similarly, I’d be shocked (and wonder what my taxes are being spent on) if we aren’t meddling in Russian/other countries’ politics.
Would be kind of a sticky situation if we decided that “meddling” was a grounds for war since everyone would end up at war with everyone else. I guess that’s what libs want?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444593) |
Date: July 17th, 2018 1:35 PM Author: out-of-control theater partner
ur a stupid faggot. there needs to be nothing more said.
YOU ARE A STUPID JEW FAGGOT AND YOU WILL END UP PAYING FOR YOUR JEWISH TREACHERY.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36444886) |
Date: July 17th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: Red Therapy
Agree with the distinction between election interference and collusion.
Election interference isnt even necessarily illegal under international law (the hacking acts are under U.S. Domestic). This was an easy distinction to make and he easily could have flipped it back on the shitlibs for sewing so much discord that russian trolls could actually gain a voice in the marketplace of ideas.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4028310&forum_id=2#36446044) |
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