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Why are the Chinese so unethical?
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university The more I read about China, the more it seems like an alien dystopia. Can you imagine if a country with such low collective character becomes the most powerful in the world? It is sad the West can't get its shit together and resist while we still can.
There is a complete and utter lack of respect for the individual or person in China. People do not have innate value as people simply because they exist.
This leads most directly to a lack of respect for the law/rules/norms....
They are ignored quietly so as not to embarrass the enforcer, however, frequently, the enforcer knows rules or laws are being ignored but so long as the breaker is not egregious, both parties continue to exist in a state of blissful ignorance. Honesty without force is not normal but an outlier. Lying is utterly common, but telling the truth revolutionary.
I rationalize the silent contempt for the existing rules and laws within China as people not respecting the method for creating and establishing the rules and laws. Rather than confronting the system, a superior, or try good faith attempts to change something, they choose a type of quiet subversion by just ignoring the rule or law. This quickly spreads to virtually every facet of behavior as everything can be rationalized in a myriad of ways. Before coming to China, I had this idea that China was rigid which in some ways it is, but in reality it is brutally chaotic because there are no rules it is the pure rule of the jungle with unconstrained might imposing their will and all others ignoring laws to behave as they see fit with no sense of morality or respect for right.
I had a lawyer tell me about the corruption crackdown, and even most convicted of crimes, that people referred to them as “unlucky”. As he noted, there was almost no concept of justice even if people recognized the person had done what they were accused of having done. The discipline stemmed not from their behavior but they were cannon fodder for some game chosen by a higher authority."
I am afraid this is how most of the world works. Not just China. |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle mahogany affirmative action how will you "resist" china faggot. i am all ears
PS. Balding left because his level of academic freedom is incompatible with the current Xi Jinping personality cult movement, which will blow over in a few years at which point he'll be right back in the PRC |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 4:26 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university Not me individually, but the West and the US's Asian allies could collectively wage a successful trade war with China. We should be confronting them every way we can.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trade-wars-of-2018-an-alternate-history-1528672886
Looking back from 2020, it was a masterful application of strategy and tactics that enabled Donald Trump to win the trade war with China.
The U.S. president began unencumbered by the “engage with China at any cost” ideology of his predecessors and, as a seasoned deal maker, recognized that success required leverage, which came from having allies.
In 2018, success was by no means assured. When U.S. officials met their Chinese counterparts that year, China was confident it could wear down Mr. Trump as it had his predecessors by making grandiose promises of reform, offering to buy more American coal, soybeans and natural gas to narrow the trade deficit, and threatening to withhold cooperation on North Korea.
Mr. Trump’s aides had persuaded him the real problem with China was not the trade deficit but how China’s mercantilist state capitalism systematically discriminated against foreign products in China and forced foreign companies to give up their most precious intellectual property. That would cost Americans highly paid jobs when Chinese competitors shut them out in the fastest-growing markets of the future.
U.S. demands reflected that: If China didn’t change its behavior, the U.S. would ban Chinese companies from acquisitions of joint ventures with or substantial investments in any U.S. technology company, ban Chinese entities from supplying U.S. telecommunications networks, and subject all Chinese investment to strict reciprocity—i.e., the same restrictions that U.S. companies faced in China.
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Emmanuel Macron, France’s president, had also persuaded the EU, Canada and Japan to match the U.S.’s ban on Chinese technology investments and its policy of strict reciprocity on investment. To slow China’s efforts to build a national champion in aviation at their expense, the G-7 agreed to ban joint ventures and further outsourcing to China by their own aviation companies.
The united front was possible because Mr. Trump’s aides had persuaded him to set aside irritants with U.S. allies by striking deals that let all sides declare victory. On the WTO, members agreed to shorten the time it took to achieve final rulings, which had allowed illegal behavior to persist, and to narrow the sweep of its appeals panel’s rulings, which the U.S. had long complained undermined its sovereignty.
On the North American Free Trade Agreement, Canada and Mexico acceded to U.S. demands for higher North American content for autos and a minimum amount to be built by workers earning at least $16 an hour. But Mr. Trump dropped demands for a five-year sunset to the agreement and agreed to keep Chapter 19, which allows anti-dumping and countervailing duties to be appealed to a binational panel.
Canada agreed to slowly phase out quotas on dairy imports in return for the U.S.’s doing the same on softwood lumber. Mr. Trump downgraded his Mexican border wall to a barrier and stopped insisting that Mexico would pay for it; in return, Mexico amended asylum laws to no longer let Central American refugees transit through Mexico to enter the U.S.
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As the U.S. noose tightened, China retaliated: U.S. companies suddenly found their applications to expand in China being slow-walked, and U.S. exports of car parts and agricultural products were held up at Chinese ports for bogus health and safety infractions. The U.S. responded by announcing a “Section 301” investigation that would hit China with escalating tariffs for its nontariff trade barriers.
China also stepped up purchases of dollars in an effort to push down the value of the yuan, which would make its exports cheaper abroad. The U.S. Treasury responded by authorizing offsetting purchases of yuan.
China, boxed in on trade, played its foreign-policy card. At its prompting, North Korea broke off negotiations on admitting international weapons inspectors, which was to be a key step toward denuclearization. In response, the U.S. declared it would seek to expand missile defenses in Japan and South Korea, step up naval patrols off North Korea and ask Vietnam to host a new U.S. naval base. China, alarmed at the prospect of a growing U.S. military presence on its doorstop, nudged North Korea back to the negotiating table.
By 2019, Chinese officials capitulated. They announced an end to joint-venture requirements, a phased elimination of limits on foreign investment, tariff cuts in critical sectors including automobiles, and a phased-in move to a fully flexible exchange rate.
China would still become an advanced industrial nation, but it would have to share more of the benefits with its foreign partners. China 2025, its ambitious plan to become self-sufficient in top technology, was quietly renamed China 2035.
As U.S. companies’ sales abroad boomed, they teamed up with the federal government to retrain thousands of former factory workers for high-paying, high-skilled jobs. Mr. Trump had, as promised, fixed the global trading system by relying as the U.S. always had, on alliance-building. |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 6:37 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle mahogany affirmative action talk of allies is ANTI-TRUMP. You are asking for a 3 month BAN from xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36461589) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 7:20 PM Author: contagious scourge upon the earth ICBMs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36461885) |
Date: July 19th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: learning disabled wine cruise ship digit ratio no souls / 100% mercantilist . its fully resistant to SJW and so it's going to be the future (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459026) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459038) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: Stimulating Citrine Crotch Ratface they aren't unethical, they're just chinese. their moral system, values, and way of life are completely different from the west
calling chinese people "unethical" and "immoral" is like calling lions unethical because they kill other animals and eat them. they're totally different than us and comparing us along moral lines is silly and pointless |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university They are still human - most societies don't have ethical belief systems like the Chinese. Western ethics and society are so obviously superior, it would be a tragedy for the human race if the Chinese achieve their aims.
In how many countries does shit like this happen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhvwUo0M7W0 |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:58 PM Author: Stimulating Citrine Crotch Ratface yes, western ethics and society are obviously superior in literally every way. welcome to the "White Supremacy" club, bro
hope you enjoy the company of your fellow nazis |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 4:34 PM Author: vermilion milk "They are still human"
this is what we call "begging the question" in the technical literature |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: aquamarine circlehead this is relativism. i would go ahead and call lions unethical. lions will eat infants and shit. |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: violet degenerate Libs are literally rooting for China in Trumps tariff war with them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459037) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university I know, it is disgusting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459042) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: learning disabled wine cruise ship digit ratio but ironically China is fully resistant to lib propaganda (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459047) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: greedy supple rehab Shitliberalism is an actual "moral" value and therefor gets in the way of money-grubbing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459057) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university Yeah, it is pretty 180 that "white left" is an insult over there
https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitaliberties/chenchen-zhang/curious-rise-of-white-left-as-chinese-internet-insult |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: turquoise space The fuck are you even babbling about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459085) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: greedy supple rehab Also watch the ADV China youtube channel for lol @ soulless chinks. And the two western bros who run it aren't even trying to make China look bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459055) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university Will check that out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459065) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Vivacious senate That's a great channel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459089) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: diverse stubborn doctorate becky PROTIP: Only Anglo-founded and northern/western European countries are "ethical" by our standards. It's worse in southern europe, but still way better than rest of world. Once you get past that, basically everyone gives zero fucks about anyone not in their family or extended family and is constantly trying to fuck over everyone else they deal with. The exceptions are people from these cultures who are forced to operate into the economic systems founded by northern/western Europeans because that's where they money is. Exceptions are a few hyper-homogenious Asian countries like Japand and SK, and Singapore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459070) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Stimulating Citrine Crotch Ratface for all the "travel worship" that goes on in our generation, it's pretty mindblowing how utterly fucking naive people are about cultures and peoples that aren't our own
all of this becomes clear within like a day of international travel. even the biggest idiot figures this out after visiting a couple of non-white countries |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:36 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459092) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: Vivacious senate It's a country with an astonishingly violent history - probably the worst in the entire world. So a lot of psychological scarring.
You see it with the "Lost Generation" who didn't get educated because they were caught up in the Cultural Revolution. They're the ones who bullied their kids into practicing piano and all that garbage. But they're mouth-breathing retards who treat education like a cargo cult. |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 12:55 PM Author: mind-boggling haunting hall sex offender when the communists took over, they did away with chinese culture, leaving nothing behind
just look at kikes and niggers. what do they stand for? what do they believe in?
japan and south korea are images of what china would resemble if it remained confucian. |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 1:02 PM Author: diverse stubborn doctorate becky Not true. You can't destroy a culture that fast. Chinks alraedy have a shitty culture -- Hence why they got manhalded by various european powers in the 19th centure.
Not their culture is still shit, but they are making easy economic gains by copying various western institutions and technologies. |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 1:06 PM Author: maroon drunken dilemma weed whacker how do you explain the Han, Tang, Song, Ming and early Qing dynasties when China was probably the greatest power in the world?
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Date: July 19th, 2018 1:07 PM Author: diverse stubborn doctorate becky That was a long time ago in a very different world. In the long term culture and the world around it within which it much operate are very flexable. I do not comment on those times or the culture at those times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459294) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Bistre Soggy Laser Beams Hell Manchus weren't Han (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459875) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle mahogany affirmative action you have no understanding of 19th century chinese history. if "copying" is so easy, why doesn't every country succeed by doing it? you also have zero comprehension of the nature of catch-up growth |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 1:05 PM Author: Stimulating Citrine Crotch Ratface japanese and korean culture have always been much different than chinese culture (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459276) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459799) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Marvelous judgmental national security agency property extremely low trust society from high population. life is very cheap over there and everything is a hunger games competition to succeed if you're not connected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36459895) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: greedy supple rehab he "Four Pests" campaign was introduced in 1958 by Mao Zedong, as a hygiene campaign aimed to eradicate the pests responsible for the transmission of pestilence and disease: the mosquitos responsible for malaria; the rodents that spread the plague; the pervasive airborne flies; and the sparrows – specifically the Eurasian tree sparrow – which ate grain seed and fruit.[1] The government also declared that "birds are public animals of capitalism".[2] As a result of this campaign, many sparrows died from exhaustion; citizens would bang pots and pans so that sparrows would not have the chance to rest on tree branches and would fall dead from the sky.[3] Sparrow nests were also destroyed, eggs were broken, and chicks were killed. In addition to these tactics, citizens also resorted to simply shooting the birds down from the sky.[4] These mass attacks depleted the sparrow population, pushing it to near extinction.[4] Furthermore, contests were held among enterprises, government agencies, and schools in cleanliness.[3] Non-material rewards were given to those who handed in the largest number of rat tails, dead flies and mosquitoes, or dead sparrows.[5]
At dawn one day last week, the slaughter of the sparrows in Peking began, continuing a campaign that has been going on in the countryside for months. The objection to the sparrows is that, like the rest of China's inhabitants, they are hungry. They are accused of pecking away at supplies in warehouses and in paddyfields at an officially estimated rate of four pounds of grain per sparrow per year. And so divisions of soldiers deployed through Peking streets, their footfalls muffled by rubber-soled sneakers. Students and civil servants in high-collared tunics, and schoolchildren carrying pots and pans, ladles and spoons, quietly took up their stations. The total force, according to Radio Peking, numbered 3,000,000.[6]
Some sparrows found refuge in the extraterritorial premises of various diplomatic missions in China. The personnel of the Polish embassy in Beijing denied the Chinese request of entering the premises of the embassy to scare away the sparrows who were hiding there and as a result the embassy was surrounded by people with drums. After two days of constant drumming, the Poles had to use shovels to clear the embassy of dead sparrows.[7]
By April 1960, Chinese leaders changed their opinion due to the influence of ornithologist Tso-hsin Cheng[2] who pointed out that sparrows ate a large number of insects, as well as grains.[8][9] Rather than being increased, rice yields after the campaign were substantially decreased.[10][9] Mao ordered the end of the campaign against sparrows, replacing them with bed bugs, as the extermination of the former upset the ecological balance, and bugs destroyed crops as a result of the absence of natural predators. By this time, however, it was too late. With no sparrows to eat them, locust populations ballooned, swarming the country and compounding the ecological problems already caused by the Great Leap Forward, including widespread deforestation and misuse of poisons and pesticides.[10] Ecological imbalance is credited with exacerbating the Great Chinese Famine, in which 20–45 million people died of starvation.[11][12] |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 7:26 PM Author: contagious scourge upon the earth Whoops (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36461935) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:11 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462802) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 7:28 PM Author: Marvelous judgmental national security agency property mao was a retard peasant and now the country leadership and rich elites is full of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36461943) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 7:40 PM Author: Cordovan Free-loading Stead ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462023) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: vermilion milk only white men have souls (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36460731) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 7:15 PM Author: Twinkling background story lack of early christianization (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36461838) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 9:05 PM Author: Talented business firm ITT: third worlders scuffle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462501) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:14 PM Author: Odious Mediation they only value money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462819) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:15 PM Author: glassy heaven faggot firefighter Chinese only place value on their family--society at large gains no sympathy so they dont give a fuck about fucking people over.
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:38 PM Author: khaki sickened tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462949) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:16 PM Author: Hairraiser house How many people in this thread have been to China, done business with the Chinese, or even met a Chinese person? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462844) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:17 PM Author: glassy heaven faggot firefighter i do business in China regularly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462848) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:19 PM Author: Hairraiser house And they uniformly have only tried to fuck you over? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462860) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:21 PM Author: glassy heaven faggot firefighter Don't believe I've said that. But there is a clear difference in their attitude toward ethics and fraud. There is a stark difference even comparing overseas Chinese diaspora to Mainlanders, which is who I am referring to in my comments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462869) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:25 PM Author: Hairraiser house I've worked with many solid Chinese people that are just as honest and trustworthy as any Westerner. Even if the incidence of fraud is higher over there, I don't think blanket stereotypes are helpful in this case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462896) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:30 PM Author: glassy heaven faggot firefighter On the flip, I don't think anecdotal evidence from a couple examples is effective in countering widespread instances of corporate fraud common in the PRC. There is a clear difference in attitude prevalent in the country. There is even an epidemic of faking every type of possible food in China, often with toxic replacements. This sort of thing just doesn't happen elsewhere with any regularity. It takes a special kind of disregard for other people to, say, make a fake egg with harmful ingredients to perhaps save 1 RMB. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462920) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:39 PM Author: khaki sickened tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462955) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:46 PM Author: house-broken boltzmann Correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462995) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 11:07 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36463151) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 11:24 PM Author: Talented business firm gogols pradeepSon drinkin dat melamine gerber sludge in HELL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36463253) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: Talented business firm (guy whos never heard of Ragnus, UvT, ncchinesedood, etc) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36463402) |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:41 PM Author: know-it-all embarrassed to the bone university Anyone watch The China Hustle?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=55892jT06aI |
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:46 PM Author: house-broken boltzmann Yeah it’s great. Captures the problem in mainland China perfectly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030191&forum_id=2#36462988) |