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'You guys, um, go, um, live in your HUD integrated shanty to...
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It's 7:28 and conturds are irate.
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lol wut. You’re the one who bumped this thread. Look at the ...
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I did not hit refresh when I woke up and immediately began p...
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xo liberal braintrust at work
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I always say a house needs to be at least a quarter of an ac...
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No one cares what this ape thinks
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  07/20/18
jfc this guy is worse and worse
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House is kind of a dump
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Sad he’s not going back to his hometown to help his communit...
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Tbf there’s not much he can do to help his village in Kenya ...
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And they way to turn back increasing wealth inequality is to...
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This is accurate
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  07/20/18
This is the liberal elite in a nutshell.
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Obama rooting around in the fridge at night, looking for a l...
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the second kitchen has a microwave!
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tell me why you are so mad about this? He says he's embar...
orange comical school
  07/20/18
Blacks can't have nice things. Makes them uppity.
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  07/20/18
the wealth he got by charging millions for his "speeche...
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isn't he free to charge what people will pay for his speeche...
orange comical school
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Not when he’s “embarrassed” by his wealth.
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  07/20/18
Is he? There’s a very easy solution to that.
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  07/20/18
so he's not free to charge whatever the market will bear if ...
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He can charge what ever he likes, but if he’s embarrassed of...
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He can have the decency to stfu about how useless wealth is ...
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it's an important point that academics are currently making ...
orange comical school
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He's black and he's saying something articulate and intellig...
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lol at Obama being black in any meaningful sense of the word
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Huh? Black people are articulate and intelligent all the tim...
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He’s obviously not too embarrassed by his wealth if he’s buy...
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"tell me why you are so mad about this?" Tell m...
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Here's the problem: "let me look at that child out t...
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What’s the best option?
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YOU FUCKING RACIST BIGOT (libs
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Conservative snuff porn, well written
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I came
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I take it in general you mean that's what he is saying, not ...
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i think my objection is clear. He wants to attack poverty an...
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Wonder if he saw any kids like that on his private island
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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:16 PM
Author: motley background story striped hyena

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/18/barack-obama-on-wealth-inequality-only-so-much-you-can-eat.html

By the way, here's Obama's 8,200 sf house: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/02/photos-of-the-obamas-8-point-1-million-washington-d-c-house.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36462837)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: opaque irradiated den voyeur

'You guys, um, go, um, live in your HUD integrated shanty towns! Enjoy!'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36462854)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 7:30 AM
Author: submissive hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36464227)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 7:28 AM
Author: snowy spectacular meetinghouse nibblets

It's 7:28 and conturds are irate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36464221)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:31 AM
Author: big alcoholic milk

lol wut. You’re the one who bumped this thread. Look at the timestamp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465176)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:40 AM
Author: snowy spectacular meetinghouse nibblets

I did not hit refresh when I woke up and immediately began poasting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465238)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:41 AM
Author: big alcoholic milk

xo liberal braintrust at work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465245)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: Khaki sinister mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465369)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: big alcoholic milk

(Idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465601)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 7:31 AM
Author: razzmatazz tattoo tanning salon



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:29 AM
Author: motley background story striped hyena

I always say a house needs to be at least a quarter of an acre.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465164)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 7:41 AM
Author: Canary Sadistic Trailer Park

No one cares what this ape thinks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36464245)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:32 AM
Author: drab site windowlicker

jfc this guy is worse and worse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465181)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:43 AM
Author: talking tan location



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465264)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:36 AM
Author: Insanely creepy ungodly cuckoldry idiot

House is kind of a dump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465208)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:41 AM
Author: self-absorbed charismatic philosopher-king stock car

Sad he’s not going back to his hometown to help his community

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465250)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: big alcoholic milk

Tbf there’s not much he can do to help his village in Kenya at this point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465257)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: Primrose cracking old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465377)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: sienna hairy legs ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465552)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: duck-like sepia private investor principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466906)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: Know-it-all Razzle Station

And they way to turn back increasing wealth inequality is to import millions of central American goblins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465254)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:43 AM
Author: big alcoholic milk

This is accurate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465265)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:46 AM
Author: violet concupiscible temple cuckold

This is the liberal elite in a nutshell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465282)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:52 AM
Author: orange comical school

Obama rooting around in the fridge at night, looking for a leftover slice of pizza

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465315)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:09 PM
Author: fragrant embarrassed to the bone range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465799)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:20 PM
Author: Insanely creepy ungodly cuckoldry idiot

the second kitchen has a microwave!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466277)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: duck-like sepia private investor principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466910)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:55 AM
Author: orange comical school

tell me why you are so mad about this?

He says he's embarrassed by his wealth. He then goes on to say one person can only eat so much, travel so much. This is a valid point which suggests to me he's reading high level public policy articles because this point is a point that certain economists are making in the discussion about "what to do w billionaires".

As for his house, its absolutely gorgeous and tasteful (to the extent an 8 million dollar house CAN be tasteful), and he's staying around the DC area when he could live on a ranch or something. He's a former president of the united states--you think he should live in a hovel or something?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465329)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:59 AM
Author: Fuchsia Boistinker Queen Of The Night

Blacks can't have nice things. Makes them uppity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465349)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: Dull insane keepsake machete doctorate

the wealth he got by charging millions for his "speeches"?

he's free to give away whatever he wants

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465354)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:10 PM
Author: orange comical school

isn't he free to charge what people will pay for his speeches? In the same way that he's free to give away whatever he wants, he's free to charge whatever the market will bear, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465400)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: iridescent twisted plaza

Not when he’s “embarrassed” by his wealth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465566)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: big alcoholic milk

Is he? There’s a very easy solution to that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465586)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: orange comical school

so he's not free to charge whatever the market will bear if he's embarrassed by his wealth?

Wonder where this leads us …

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465587)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:05 PM
Author: big alcoholic milk

He can charge what ever he likes, but if he’s embarrassed of wealth the obvious solution is to donate most of it, like Bill Gates etc. Preferably to the US Treasury, as that would be the most efficient way to help children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466167)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: drab site windowlicker

He can have the decency to stfu about how useless wealth is after he’s gotten his. Lmao all these limo libs are the exact same, he literally is repeating Chelsea Clinton birdbrain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465379)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: orange comical school

it's an important point that academics are currently making when we look at different public policy ideas. I appreciate that he contextualizes it.

"Even billionaires only need three pairs of jeans or so"

Ive joked about this on xo before--about "why don't billionaires just wear diamond incrusted gold threaded clothing all the time" etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465412)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:13 PM
Author: Khaki sinister mental disorder

He's black and he's saying something articulate and intelligent.

In other words: He's uppity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465417)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:15 PM
Author: Insanely creepy ungodly cuckoldry idiot

lol at Obama being black in any meaningful sense of the word

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466234)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:16 PM
Author: big alcoholic milk

Huh? Black people are articulate and intelligent all the time, why would this be significant?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466244)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 1:39 PM
Author: Odious Henna Black Woman

He’s obviously not too embarrassed by his wealth if he’s buying an $8M 8200 sq ft house for a family with grown kids & charging hundreds of thousands for speaking fees.

If Trump portrayed himself as a crusader for the poor & champion against income inequality, & purchased a similar house, you telling me libs wouldn’t be in hysterics crying hypocrisy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465963)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:27 PM
Author: motley background story striped hyena

"tell me why you are so mad about this?"

Tell me how you reached the "so mad" conclusion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466325)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: mind-boggling parlour blood rage

Here's the problem:

"let me look at that child out there who doesn’t have enough to eat or needs some school fees, let me help him out. I’ll pay a little more in taxes. It’s okay"

He automatically associates the charitable impulse (with an inference that conservatives dont feel it) with TAXATION. Paying higher taxes is probably the single worst way you can help that child you are "looking" at.

Reagan was brilliant at articulating this evidence-based point: more government is not best, among all the options, for the poor. Conservatives dont make this point well anymore.

How can we craft a society where that kid is better taken care of? Well, create a roaring economy. Set as goals to encourage marriage and two parent families. Churches and local social ties. Neighborhoods of kinship and like-minded people who take care of each other. Thats how you help that kid most rapidly and efficiently, and for life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465345)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: cheese-eating karate home

What’s the best option?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465353)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:02 PM
Author: mind-boggling parlour blood rage

If a kid in my son's school could not pay "fees", I would happily help. But this presumes I know the kid, know his parents are actually struggling, know his father works, know his mother will do the other, more important things -- like see to it that he is fed and doing his homework. I would love to see the kid at drop off, to know he is at school on time. Id like to see him play soccer with my kid, to make sure he is developing well socially. Id have him over for play-dates. Id do a lot more for that kid than someone in DC could.

What help do I need from DC? Don't incentivize his parents not to marry. Don't get in the way of industry that could employ his dad. Don't promote policies that make it less likely his mom can stay home and care for him. Dont socially engineer neighborhoods in ways that are not naturally conducive to neighborliness. Don't flood the public school with kids who dont speak English and whose parents are so economically challenged (like migrant farm workers) that their kids will eat up all the school's resources. As a matter of fact, dont spend a dollar on Central American kids until this American kid we are "looking" at can afford his school fees. Dont waste money on Head Start, if it doesnt work. Actually use data to drive public school policy, including IQ tracking and vocational training if the data supports it. If this poor kid would do better to learn plumbing than read Maya Angelou, get him ready for a lucrative career. Same is true of my kid, if it applies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465360)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:13 PM
Author: pearly set double fault



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:16 PM
Author: Ebony balding parlor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465438)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: demanding thriller university haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465454)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:20 PM
Author: Dull insane keepsake machete doctorate



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:28 PM
Author: Ebony balding parlor



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:36 PM
Author: iridescent twisted plaza

Whoa cr friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465572)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: Useless codepig rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465580)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: lemon vivacious gas station



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:10 PM
Author: French olive corner



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:13 PM
Author: drab site windowlicker

YOU FUCKING RACIST BIGOT (libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466213)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 2:17 PM
Author: Cerebral circlehead



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:10 PM
Author: snowy spectacular meetinghouse nibblets

Conservative snuff porn, well written

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466894)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: duck-like sepia private investor principal's office

I came

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466926)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: 180 buck-toothed center newt

I would subscribe to your newsletter. Thankl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36466948)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:09 PM
Author: orange comical school

I take it in general you mean that's what he is saying, not necessarily as it relates to the article.

Hmmm … Wasn't his view about taxation more along the lines of trying to wrangle greater contributions from the really really rich in spite of the really really rich basically controlling public perceptions on the subject by making regular people like you and me think he was attacking us (rather than the billionaires)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465395)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:10 PM
Author: mind-boggling parlour blood rage

i think my objection is clear. He wants to attack poverty and he naturally assumes the best way to do that is by making people pay more taxes.

I think that is a shit assumption.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465405)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:15 PM
Author: orange comical school

I see.

TBF, wasn't that the only thing he had some measure of tangible control over--i.e. taxation?

He could and did promote all the other ways to relieve economic distress thru his speeches and his work, but taxation was something he readily had his hand on the dial for, so to speak.

If you ask him, he'd probably agree w you that taxation is not optimal, but he'd point out that it IS optimal in the context of taxing billionaires at greater rates (but those billionaires are conducting a war for the hearts and minds of chumps like you and me) and that he believes in al the other stuff as well.

He's not a dummy. He's actually very very smart, and stays informed on ivy tower stuff too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465432)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:17 PM
Author: Dull insane keepsake machete doctorate

Wonder if he saw any kids like that on his private island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465442)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: Primrose cracking old irish cottage

Ugh politicians are such hypocrites!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465374)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Institution Regret



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Date: July 20th, 2018 6:18 PM
Author: Curious native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36467695)



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Date: July 20th, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: Adventurous red house

XO should make an offer to HALP him by taking that McMansion of his off his hands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4030649&forum_id=2#36465525)



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Date: October 22nd, 2019 2:33 PM
Author: Dull insane keepsake machete doctorate



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