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Charles XII: most underrated and overrated U.S. Presidents?

I would like to compare my list to yours. Overrated: Jac...
Appetizing amber step-uncle's house
  07/20/18
most agree Eisenhower was 180, and Coolidge's greatness is h...
Arrogant irradiated property milk
  07/21/18
whenever professional historians are polled, Coolidge is pla...
smoky stain preventive strike
  07/21/18
(((professional historians)))
Arrogant irradiated property milk
  07/21/18
"Professional historians" are hacks whose judgment...
Electric institution coffee pot
  07/21/18
very odd case
Exciting azn
  07/21/18
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Crawly address
  07/21/18
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Appetizing amber step-uncle's house
  07/21/18
...
Crawly address
  07/21/18
How is Jackson overrated?
Costumed Talented Dysfunction
  07/21/18
Ten years ago I would have called Grant underrated but he's ...
Electric institution coffee pot
  07/21/18
uhhh the louisiana purchase called...
Indigo wagecucks
  07/21/18
The Louisiana Purchase simply fell into Jefferson's lap. I d...
Electric institution coffee pot
  07/21/18
he could have said no
Indigo wagecucks
  07/21/18
Because a substantial number of people thought it was uncons...
Costumed Talented Dysfunction
  07/21/18
more importantly, he probably secretly thought it was uncons...
smoky stain preventive strike
  07/21/18
And secure a future for white children
Costumed Talented Dysfunction
  07/21/18
I don't really get *why* it was supposedly unconstitutional....
Electric institution coffee pot
  07/21/18
literally the most important founding father, it's a deserve...
Costumed Talented Dysfunction
  07/21/18
Embargo Act and Non-Intercourse Act = two of the most TTT la...
smoky stain preventive strike
  07/21/18
I guess you forgot that Washington is a founding father.
Appetizing amber step-uncle's house
  07/21/18
*Calls Madison overrated* *Exposes self as a nonlawyer bu...
Opaque hominid native
  07/21/18
...
Electric institution coffee pot
  07/21/18
See edit
Opaque hominid native
  07/21/18
I believe that was BEFORE he was POTUS
Territorial vigorous dragon church
  07/21/18
Why is it dumb to evaluate presidents based on their actions...
Electric institution coffee pot
  07/21/18
What is the point of that limitation? What is the point of r...
Opaque hominid native
  07/21/18
IMO, Jefferson and Madison were unmitigated disasters as POT...
smoky stain preventive strike
  07/21/18
CR. Why are you less sour on Adams? Alien and Sedition Ac...
Electric institution coffee pot
  07/21/18
does anyone consider Adams to be a good POTUS? Even the musi...
smoky stain preventive strike
  07/21/18
Quincy is almost always rated pretty badly in my experience,...
Electric institution coffee pot
  07/21/18
Monroe was great. He's the last POTUS to win every electoral...
Appetizing amber step-uncle's house
  07/21/18
Just do lose a war and your capital
Costumed Talented Dysfunction
  07/21/18
underrated - Polk overrated - Obama
thriller know-it-all foreskin
  07/21/18
I despise Obama, but it's too early to fairly judge recent p...
Appetizing amber step-uncle's house
  07/21/18
not if they win nobel peace prize before even taking the oat...
thriller know-it-all foreskin
  07/21/18
Oh I agree. The shitlib media anointed him as the second com...
Appetizing amber step-uncle's house
  07/21/18
Most overrated is obviously Lincoln
chest-beating laughsome athletic conference
  07/21/18
underrated - TRUMP overrated - also TRUMP
garnet piazza
  07/21/18


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Date: July 20th, 2018 9:27 PM
Author: Appetizing amber step-uncle's house

I would like to compare my list to yours.

Overrated: Jackson, Wilson, FDR, JFK, LBJ

Underrated: Polk, Cleveland, McKinley, Coolidge, Eisenhower

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36468684)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:34 PM
Author: Arrogant irradiated property milk

most agree Eisenhower was 180, and Coolidge's greatness is hardly overlooked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471570)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: smoky stain preventive strike

whenever professional historians are polled, Coolidge is placed in the bottom 5 presidents. it is a common trope to say he did nothing at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471580)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:38 PM
Author: Arrogant irradiated property milk

(((professional historians)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471590)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: Electric institution coffee pot

"Professional historians" are hacks whose judgment can be safely ignored.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471719)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:22 PM
Author: Exciting azn

very odd case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471776)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:36 PM
Author: Crawly address

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471581)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:34 PM
Author: Appetizing amber step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471566)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:36 PM
Author: Crawly address

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471583)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 3:48 PM
Author: Costumed Talented Dysfunction

How is Jackson overrated?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471631)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: Electric institution coffee pot

Ten years ago I would have called Grant underrated but he's being revised upwards of late. Similarly, Wilson would have been overrated but most people are wising up to his downsides.

I agree with all your underrated presidents save Polk, who I think is pretty fairly rated (everybody knows he was effective, it's just a matter of how you morally judge the Mexican War). I'd add Arthur as well, who was a perfectly decent president in the mold of Coolidge but rarely gets much praise for it.

For overrated I'd agree on FDR, JFK, and LBJ, while adding Adams, Jefferson, and Madison, all of whom get, IMO, a big "Founding Father" bump for their middling efforts as chief executive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471717)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:13 PM
Author: Indigo wagecucks

uhhh the louisiana purchase called...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471721)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Electric institution coffee pot

The Louisiana Purchase simply fell into Jefferson's lap. I don't see why he deserves much credit for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471732)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Indigo wagecucks

he could have said no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471736)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Costumed Talented Dysfunction

Because a substantial number of people thought it was unconstitutional and he did it anyway?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471744)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: smoky stain preventive strike

more importantly, he probably secretly thought it was unconstitutional

it's damning that Jefferson's biggest accomplishment required him to violate his ideology

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471758)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: Costumed Talented Dysfunction

And secure a future for white children

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471761)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Electric institution coffee pot

I don't really get *why* it was supposedly unconstitutional. The Constitution plainly allows the POTUS to make treaties subject to Senate approval, and transfer of territory is a routine treaty provision.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471811)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Costumed Talented Dysfunction

literally the most important founding father, it's a deserved bump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471735)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: smoky stain preventive strike

Embargo Act and Non-Intercourse Act = two of the most TTT laws ever passed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471768)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Appetizing amber step-uncle's house

I guess you forgot that Washington is a founding father.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471899)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:30 PM
Author: Opaque hominid native

*Calls Madison overrated*

*Exposes self as a nonlawyer but more importantly an idiot*

Edit nvm, you qualified 'as POTUS.' But that is a dumb limit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471823)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Electric institution coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471829)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Opaque hominid native

See edit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471830)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Territorial vigorous dragon church

I believe that was BEFORE he was POTUS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471844)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:36 PM
Author: Electric institution coffee pot

Why is it dumb to evaluate presidents based on their actions as president?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471847)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:47 PM
Author: Opaque hominid native

What is the point of that limitation? What is the point of ranking presidents? Presumably to gauge their importance. Otherwise it is nonfalsifiable and a stupid exercise

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471892)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: smoky stain preventive strike

IMO, Jefferson and Madison were unmitigated disasters as POTUS and get a yuge boost from their pre-POTUS work as founding fathers

Monroe actually underrated IMO - he hired a great cabinet and mostly let guys like John Quincy Adams and a young, not yet insane John C. Calhoun do their thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471766)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: Electric institution coffee pot

CR.

Why are you less sour on Adams? Alien and Sedition Acts were huge TTTs as well.

I guess Adams is less "overrated" though, as he's usually put a rung below the other Founding presidents, HBO series notwithstanding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471772)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:22 PM
Author: smoky stain preventive strike

does anyone consider Adams to be a good POTUS? Even the musical Hamilton shits all over him.

Now John QUINCY Adams, there is an overrated POTUS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471774)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Electric institution coffee pot

Quincy is almost always rated pretty badly in my experience, unless he recently benefited from some revisionism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471781)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Appetizing amber step-uncle's house

Monroe was great. He's the last POTUS to win every electoral college vote.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471810)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Costumed Talented Dysfunction

Just do lose a war and your capital

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471815)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: thriller know-it-all foreskin

underrated - Polk

overrated - Obama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471798)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Appetizing amber step-uncle's house

I despise Obama, but it's too early to fairly judge recent presidents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471898)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: thriller know-it-all foreskin

not if they win nobel peace prize before even taking the oath and had done nothing in their life till then except for winning the presidency

i dont see how somebody can be more overrated than obama

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471914)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: Appetizing amber step-uncle's house

Oh I agree. The shitlib media anointed him as the second coming of the messiah. I'm just saying that from a historical perspective, we need to wait before assessing his true legacy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471942)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: chest-beating laughsome athletic conference

Most overrated is obviously Lincoln

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471919)



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Date: July 21st, 2018 5:01 PM
Author: garnet piazza

underrated - TRUMP

overrated - also TRUMP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031379&forum_id=2#36471949)