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Hypo: Soviets stay neutral during WWII
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:05 PM Author: Laughsome sapphire dingle berry Hitler does not attack the Soviets, and they stay out of WWII. The Americans have to defeat the Nazis' best. What would the U.S. casualties have been? Total casualties in Europe and North Africa was 300K, and 100K in the Pacific.
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:16 PM Author: supple giraffe gas station 30 million and the war ends in 1944 when the Nazis nuke Washington and New York. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36472618) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:20 PM Author: Laughsome sapphire dingle berry GTFO. My guess is the European front casualties would have been 1-2 million. U.S. ends the war by nuking Berlin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36472630) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:23 PM Author: supple giraffe gas station That is an optimistic take but when you think about how many more resources the Nazis would have without waging war on the Soviet Union, it’s hard to see how the US would win, especially after the Germans invaded and occupied England.
OTOH, the Germans’ head scientist based all their atomic bomb research on a faulty premise (some say deliberately) so maybe they never would have gotten the bomb, in which case I agree we would have nuked Germany. |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:24 PM Author: Laughsome sapphire dingle berry No way Germans would have gotten the bomb before us.
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:24 PM Author: supple giraffe gas station Why not? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36472649) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:26 PM Author: mahogany odious piazza prole Did the eastern front really kill that many physicists? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36472655) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:29 PM Author: supple giraffe gas station More about resource allocation plus they would have captured the English physicists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36472681) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:31 PM Author: mahogany odious piazza prole Eh, I'm not sure that fuel and steel is really necessary for a nuclear program. We win the race either way. The brits would have fled or dragged their feet anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36472686) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 8:31 PM Author: supple giraffe gas station Yeah maybe I played too much Wolfenstein. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36472688) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 12:20 AM Author: greedy spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36473487) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 1:51 AM Author: Big-titted Pit "i don't see the soviets offering them too much help in that department."
Any alternate reality with Germany not attacking Russia would involve Germany demanding and receiving all the oil they needed as a concession. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 10:04 AM Author: Floppy doobsian hell rigor Uh we stole the atom bomb from Germany after we defeated the nazis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36474132) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 9:14 PM Author: lascivious hyperactive point police squad Germany still lacks naval or air superiority. So they still lose Africa, though maybe they put up a bigger fight.
My guess is there would be a negotiated peace or stalemate at that point.
If not, there would be a long period of Battle of Britain like fighting in the channel and the Mediterranean. Maybe the US and UK win in and start bombing the fuck out of Germany.
Though my guess is that the Germans would have thrown more money into jets. They’d have air superiority by 1944 or 45. US might have had a hard time nuking Germany
By 1947-48, US would be able to mass produce jets in larger quantities than Germany. Germany would have to surrender then, but probably would have gotten decent terms. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 1:55 AM Author: Big-titted Pit The US and UK had no problems with nighttime aerial bombing using heavy bombers. It wasn't accurate enough using conventional bombs. Obviously, that's not a problem with nukes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36473747) |
Date: July 21st, 2018 9:43 PM Author: Pale trust fund US would not have gone to Europe in that scenario. Germany and UK would eventually agree to an armistice. Then years later they would be allies in a war against the Soviets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36472896) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 11:55 PM Author: Dashing Corner ^this. The often neglected reality of World War II is that the United States wasn't sure who to favor in the fight between Germany and Soviet Union, and Germany actually sought peace with Britain and really wanted to fight the Soviets which they saw as the bigger threat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36473426) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 9:14 AM Author: Fragrant Temple hitlers biggest "blunder" was overestimating (((anglo-americans))).
he really didn't see how they could ally with the evil empire. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 10:54 AM Author: Pale trust fund That would have been kind of ridiculous considering *he* did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36474309) |
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Date: July 21st, 2018 11:59 PM Author: Dark mind-boggling library ceo Would have had some interesting demographic effects if Hitler had been allowed to remain in power and keep the German gains in eastern Europe. Hitler's plan was basically to exterminate or expel the eastern Europeans and replace them with German settlers. Germany could realistically have almost as many people as the US today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36473429) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 12:03 AM Author: snowy blood rage and not be a cucked sons of bitches they are now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36473437) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 2:03 AM Author: lemon state Well we wouldn't have nuked Nagasaki. We did it so hastily after Hiroshima because if we hadn't, the Soviets were going to invade and take over Japan from the north. If Soviets are neutral, the US can be a lot chiller and frattier about the Pacific Theatre and letting Japan surrender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36473765) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 10:10 AM Author: Floppy doobsian hell rigor There wasn’t any such strategic though put a bit Nagasaki. Truman signed one order prior to Heroshima telling the army to start dropping nukes “as they become available.” No separate order was given for Nagasaki. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36474151) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 2:21 AM Author: Cobalt Resort I don’t see anything other than a negotiated peace. There is no way the US/UK fights the Germans alone and fights to the end to win.
More likely, UK makes peace with Germany and US takes out the Japanese. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 6:55 AM Author: Fragrant Temple nobody touches Europe. cburchhill drunkenly runs his yap until cooler heads prevail and the British people accept reality and give Hitler the peace he wanted (he doesn't want Britain). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36473951) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 9:43 AM Author: Yapping church building Britain falls and is occupied by Germany; government monarchy flees to Canada. Rommel takes all of North Africa, ME and Turkey. US defeats Japan but Soviets take Korea and Manchuria. Germany and Soviets go to war in 45, America allies with Germany and invades from the East. Soviets collapse, country split with European sections going to Germany, Siberia becomes independent but American ally, along with the rest of East Asia. Germany controls Europe, Africa and Western portion of Asia. Cold War between Germany and USA and allies; middle countries like india/pakistan, caucuses see a lot of proxy wars. Probably continues through current times, both sides are capitalist but so the distinction is a political one between fascism and democracy, no one really gets the upper hand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36474085) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2018 10:05 AM Author: Floppy doobsian hell rigor We probably wouldn’t have invaded Europe if Russia wasn’t on board TBH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4031893&forum_id=2#36474133) |