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If trump really did collude with Russia, it would have leaked by now, right?
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:44 PM Author: abusive principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36480911) |
Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Pale Ape International Law Enforcement Agency Lol the evidence has been in the papers for MONTHS. Not my fault you can't read (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36480924) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: abusive principal's office What evidence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36480932) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:49 PM Author: Pale Ape International Law Enforcement Agency It’s like you missed the Manafort indictment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36480947) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:57 PM Author: Lemon Stimulating Heaven Yarmulke Please identify a charge against Manafort that relates to the Trump campaign colluding with the Kremlin to steal the 2016 election. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36480986) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Pale Ape International Law Enforcement Agency lol thats right boris just keep moving the goalposts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481127) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:24 PM Author: Lemon Stimulating Heaven Yarmulke Translation: I've got nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481146) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:24 PM Author: concupiscible khaki generalized bond Lol move them to tax evasion in 2007? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481148) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:48 PM Author: Talking Garrison Preventive Strike You didn't know that Trump has been a Russian agent since at least 1987? It was in the news, duh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481335) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:41 PM Author: puce temple wrinkle Those were, and always have been, the goal posts genius. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481274) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:17 PM Author: puce temple wrinkle Bud you are seriously untethered from reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481104) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:24 PM Author: orange disrespectful associate brunch 1. Trump, Jr. meets with a Russian agent at Trump Tower to obtain dirt on Hillary Clinton. He initially claims that it was about Russian adoptions, which is a euphemism for the Magnitsky Act that Putin wants repealed.
2. Trump says, "Russia, if you're listening, hack Hillary's emails." The same day, Russians started hacking Hillary's emails for the first time.
3. Trump fires James Comey because of the Russia investigation, and tells everyone on national TV. Imagine if Hillary became President and fired Comey to stop the investigation into her emails? |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 3:26 PM Author: Pale Ape International Law Enforcement Agency Crrr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482128) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 3:28 PM Author: concupiscible khaki generalized bond Lol 2. Dumb, lying or flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482148) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM Author: Supple slippery stage boistinker my lib friends unironically say this too RE #2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482570) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 3:35 PM Author: Galvanic glassy brethren LJL at this low-IQ schtick. "froodfrood" tp is playing the long game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482218) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 4:24 PM Author: bearded mood ladyboy Lmao. You would be great for Team Mueller. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482596) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Bossy insecure prole codepig the only way he could get away with it is if he's smarter and more capable than all the fbi and cia and msm put together. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36480928) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: diverse hateful senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36480934) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:57 PM Author: floppy gold indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36480987) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:50 PM Author: Pearly people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481352) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 4:47 PM Author: Aromatic theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482744) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 12:52 PM Author: odious opaque messiness address Enough people who would have access to evidence, if it existed, hate him enough to leak it. Seems pretty incredible that it wouldn't be leaked by now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36480968) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:02 PM Author: garnet flickering home *******BOOOOOOOOM PISS VIDEO DROPS******* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481006) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:07 PM Author: bearded mood ladyboy If there were some smoking gun, it would probably have been leaked by now. But as I've said before, Weissmann can easily construct a complaint outlining "collusion" and make it appear extremely detailed. They've interviewed 100+ people, some multiple times, and essentially have unlimited and unconstrained access to data and documents from the Trump circle. Say you interview a guy for 8 hours. It might be completely useless except for a line or two that you can stick in the middle of a 200 page indictment, along with a bunch of other hodge-podge crap.
Remember, *anything* tangentially related to "Russia" could be used to construct and bolster a collusion type narrative. If you already believe that Trump and his people were colluding, then you take, for example, the Trump Jr. meeting with the Russian lawyer as evidence of said collusion. That meeting simply confirms your pre-determined belief that "something was going on" even though the communications entirely emanated from the Russian side, and even though the meeting proved to be entirely worthless.
Remember, these guys aren't pursuing justice, as we typically think of it. Collusion and conspiracies are about narrative building. If you read the bot and hacking indictments, they are obviously written by Weissmann. This is his forte - creating big cases out of loosely connected and mostly unrelated facts. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:10 PM Author: odious opaque messiness address Not sure how well this will work against Trump himself as opposed to unprosecutable Russians.
Sure, people already sold on the conspiracy theory are already sold, but anyone not yet sold on it will probably need to see more than superficial bullshit. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:12 PM Author: bearded mood ladyboy I agree completely. My main concern is that the Special Counsel is completely insulated from political accountability, and therefore won't hesitate to go with some bullshit buckwild theories. They are investigating Trump's "obstruction" into their own fraud investigation, for Christ sakes.
The point for them isn't necessarily to win outright, it's to create the appearance of impropriety so that it hurts Trump politically, which they've been doing all along. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:14 PM Author: Supple slippery stage boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481085) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:28 PM Author: odious opaque messiness address I agree they've been doing that all along, I'm just not quite sure it will continue to be effective for very long.
I think a lot of voters remain somewhat on the fence. They hear every day that the investigation is going forward, but nothing much is coming from it wrt collusion/Trump. Innuendo about potential obstruction charges isn't going to cut it for people who would potentially vote for Trump (or vote against their party in a midterm in an effort to limit his power.)
We'll see; I'm just not nearly as pessimistic as libs are optimistic about it. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:13 PM Author: concupiscible khaki generalized bond Better keep the investigation going (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481082) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: pungent space indirect expression Nah, much more likely Mueller, Rosenstein etc. are just letting a deeply compromised POTUS meet privately with Putin and permanently scramble US foreign policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481097) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:17 PM Author: slate charismatic toaster azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481099) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: azure vibrant filthpig marketing idea It’s likely that anything higher than Manafort never occurred in writing or over the phone so unless he flips they have nothing on the rest of them and maybe not even enough to convict stone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481098) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:22 PM Author: Lemon Stimulating Heaven Yarmulke Oh yeah, totally. That sounds just like Paul "let's send text messages to witnesses in my upcoming trial" Manafort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481137) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:03 PM Author: azure vibrant filthpig marketing idea If you read those texts I honestly think he thought he was being crafty and was trying to walk right up to the line of witness tampering without crossing it, not stopping to consider that even toeing the line could have other negative impacts in his criminal trial. He has to think every text he sends and call he makes is being watched by the FBI unless he's full on senile. His communication options and freedom of movement are obviously much more limited now than they were in 2016.
But Trump, like all good mob bosses, famously hates and never uses email (and, I expect, his inner circle i.e. Don Jr. can't use it either when dealing with things at Trump's level). I think I give them all enough credit to be as smart as Stringer Bell when having the "hey let's all decide to commit a crime and form a conspiracy in furtherance, how should we do it so we don't get caught" conversation. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:16 PM Author: concupiscible khaki generalized bond So even absent evidence any collusion happened it still did happen only nobody found the evidence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481551) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Lemon Stimulating Heaven Yarmulke As far as Manafort's texting goes, I think he's just your typical boomer who doesn't know shit about tech and probably thought that using Signal or whatever protected his messages b/c they're encrypted.
And I find it hard to believe that if the Trump campaign really did hatch up a scheme to collude with the Kremlin to steal the 2016 election, that they did it w/o leaving any trace. Remember, Don Jr. had a lengthy convo over email with Goldstone who fed him that bullshit about "incriminating" HRC info.
So if Don Jr. will have a convo about this shit over regular email, why wouldn't there be email/text/whatever traffic about the alleged "collusion"?
At the end of the day, it's damn near impossible to prove a negative. But usually Occam's Razor gets the job done. And the simplest plausible answer is that there wasn't collusion. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:34 PM Author: orange disrespectful associate brunch The more bizarre aspect concerns Erik Prince and the Seychelles. Exactly what was going on there? A Trump Org. server connected repeatedly to a Russian bank server and a server operated by a company owned by Betsy Devos, Prince's sister. Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481705) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 5:20 PM Author: azure vibrant filthpig marketing idea Ghetto blacks and 90 IQ zips manage to do much more complicated and high risk criminal activity without leaving a paper trail, so I think you're underestimating them. Don Jr. was clearly on Team Stone and Manafort when the Trump Tower meeting happened, and after being approached by a freelancing Russian he made a couple dumb rookie mistakes before the pros got to him and coached him. He was trying to help Manafort and show him he deserved to be in the room, which is why he was so butthurt when it turned out that all the wanted to discuss was the Magnitsky Act and of course Don Jr. was out of his depth on an actual policy question. LOL at the Manafort notes from that meeting "Browder, Browder, must kill Browder, fucking Browder is in with the Bushies, fucking Bushies, fuck Browder, oh uh Russian adoption or something." Clearly their cover up skills were still coming together.
Just thinking about timing, that meeting happened like two weeks before they pushed Lewandowski out. Manafort's push to be campaign chair coincided with a pitch that they could make some shit happen with Russia. I think it's very possible that no one other than Manafort and Stone had anything to do with it, and they've done this their whole lives and would know exactly how to make sure there weren't any dumb emails anywhere. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:19 PM Author: Fragrant ungodly tattoo sanctuary listen, i'm not a politics guy, but i feel like we woulda heard something by now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481115) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 1:46 PM Author: Lemon Stimulating Heaven Yarmulke Not much of a "politics guy" either, but I also kinda think we would've heard something about this by now. An odd case, indeed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481319) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:35 PM Author: orange disrespectful associate brunch Republicans investigate Hillary for 4 years. Get nothing. Now they're complaining about a year-long investigation that has ended up with incontestable evidence of Russian election interference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481711) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:47 PM Author: Lemon Stimulating Heaven Yarmulke (person who actually believes that Trump colluded with the Kremlin to steal the 2016 election from HER) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481804) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:56 PM Author: orange disrespectful associate brunch (America-hating Trumpist)
Russia is hacking state election boards. Why isn't Trump trying to stop it? In January, 2017, Trump was given copies of Putin's emails directing GRU to hack US elections. Why has he continued to lie about who hacked the US elections? |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 3:20 PM Author: Lemon Stimulating Heaven Yarmulke (unhinged shitlib who is depressed that Mueller hasn't unearthed any evidence that Trump colluded with the Kremlin to steal the 2016 election that rightfully belonged to HER) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482064) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 3:59 PM Author: concupiscible khaki generalized bond Get nothing? You are aware her illegal home server came to light because of Benghazi, yes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482426) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:02 PM Author: mewling trailer park pervert Yes, most likely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481446) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:43 PM Author: ivory church lol trumpmos, your ushankas are showing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481773) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 2:52 PM Author: Lemon Stimulating Heaven Yarmulke Glenn Beck circa 2010 sees Russia-conspiracy-theorsts - "haha, wow, holy shit" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36481852) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 3:30 PM Author: Erotic stirring property Are you kidding? This guy can't hide his whoring but you think he can hide a vast, international conspiracy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482160) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 3:38 PM Author: Lemon Stimulating Heaven Yarmulke CR. I've used this line of reasoning IRL with lib friends, and more often than not, I get a chuckle and tacit agreement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482236) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 3:57 PM Author: Erotic stirring property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482401) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 4:07 PM Author: odious opaque messiness address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4032950&forum_id=2#36482495) |
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