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NYT: "how can I cure my white guilt?"

“I feel like there is no “me” outside of my white/upper midd...
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Electric blood rage circlehead
  08/16/18
suicide obviously. need a hand?
Underhanded Menage
  08/14/18
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Henna outnumbered den codepig
  08/16/18
90% chance flame
beta cream haunted graveyard
  08/14/18
Faked by the NYT writers, perhaps?
Chest-beating self-absorbed potus
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cerebral shitlib
  08/15/18
Dear Sugars, I’m riddled with shame. White shame. This is...
beta cream haunted graveyard
  08/14/18
reads like a treeman poast
Underhanded Menage
  08/14/18
treeman doesn't sign his posts "Whitey"
beta cream haunted graveyard
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iridescent weed whacker deer antler
  08/14/18
we need a purge before its too late. not joking.
iridescent weed whacker deer antler
  08/14/18
Cr let’s start with kike agitators
exciting parlour
  08/14/18
obviously. who else?
iridescent weed whacker deer antler
  08/14/18
The problem fixes itself at that point
exciting parlour
  08/14/18
The solution, of course, is to stop caring about this bullsh...
Vibrant useless antidepressant drug death wish
  08/14/18
The "answers" they give are batshit insane too: ...
Vibrant useless antidepressant drug death wish
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Vibrant useless antidepressant drug death wish
  08/14/18
Put them all in an asylum.
Chest-beating self-absorbed potus
  08/14/18
Just do obsess over pandering to fringe groups of expert vic...
Excitant fanboi
  08/14/18
Do I have to?
Chest-beating self-absorbed potus
  08/15/18
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buff razzle-dazzle liquid oxygen double fault
  08/15/18
Do you have white guilt?
Excitant fanboi
  08/15/18
Should I?
Chest-beating self-absorbed potus
  08/15/18
No
Excitant fanboi
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impertinent hyperventilating quadroon
  08/15/18
TWITTER TROLL claims credit https://twitter.com/TitaniaMc...
Vibrant useless antidepressant drug death wish
  08/16/18
ROFL . NY times doesn't publish fake news tho, right?
Hairless garrison pisswyrm
  08/17/18
It’s Godfrey Elfwick
bearded clear market headpube
  08/17/18
This was the person behind Godfrey Elfwick? Holy shit htt...
Hairless garrison pisswyrm
  08/17/18
really want to believe this is real, but anybody could claim...
Judgmental juggernaut kitchen
  08/17/18
Regardless that twitter SJW parody account is hilarious
Hairless garrison pisswyrm
  08/17/18
Kars4Kidz
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Whites made America great
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Date: August 14th, 2018 6:31 PM
Author: Hairless garrison pisswyrm

“I feel like there is no “me” outside of my white/upper middle class/cisgender identity. I feel like my literal existence hurts people, like I’m always taking up space that should belong to someone else.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/style/white-guilt-privilege.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617158)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 6:34 PM
Author: racy crusty gay wizard box office



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Date: August 14th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: lilac vigorous meetinghouse bbw



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Date: August 15th, 2018 8:16 AM
Author: Excitant fanboi



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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:46 PM
Author: Electric blood rage circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36629016)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 6:34 PM
Author: Underhanded Menage

suicide obviously. need a hand?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617182)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:34 PM
Author: Henna outnumbered den codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36628954)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: beta cream haunted graveyard

90% chance flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617294)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 11:36 PM
Author: Chest-beating self-absorbed potus

Faked by the NYT writers, perhaps?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36618669)



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Date: August 15th, 2018 8:19 AM
Author: cerebral shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36619702)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 6:58 PM
Author: beta cream haunted graveyard

Dear Sugars,

I’m riddled with shame. White shame. This isn’t helpful to me or to anyone, especially people of color. I feel like there is no “me” outside of my white/upper middle class/cisgender identity. I feel like my literal existence hurts people, like I’m always taking up space that should belong to someone else.

I consider myself an ally. I research proper etiquette, read writers of color, vote in a way that will not harm P.O.C. (and other vulnerable people). I engage in conversations about privilege with other white people. I take courses that will further educate me. I donated to Black Lives Matter. Yet I fear that nothing is enough. Part of my fear comes from the fact that privilege is invisible to itself. What if I’m doing or saying insensitive things without realizing it?

Another part of it is that I’m currently immersed in the whitest environment I’ve ever been in. My family has lived in the same apartment in East Harlem for four generations. Every school I attended, elementary through high school, was minority white, but I’m now attending an elite private college that is 75 percent white. I know who I am, but I realize how people perceive me and this perception feels unfair.

I don’t talk about my feelings because it’s hard to justify doing so while people of color are dying due to systemic racism and making this conversation about me would be again centering whiteness. Yet bottling it up makes me feel an existential anger that I have a hard time channeling since I don’t know my place. Instead of harnessing my privilege for greater good, I’m curled up in a ball of shame. How can I be more than my heritage?

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617297)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: Underhanded Menage

reads like a treeman poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617303)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:02 PM
Author: beta cream haunted graveyard

treeman doesn't sign his posts "Whitey"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617307)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:03 PM
Author: iridescent weed whacker deer antler



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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: iridescent weed whacker deer antler

we need a purge before its too late. not joking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617305)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:08 PM
Author: exciting parlour

Cr let’s start with kike agitators

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617333)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:08 PM
Author: iridescent weed whacker deer antler

obviously. who else?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617335)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:09 PM
Author: exciting parlour

The problem fixes itself at that point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617339)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:07 PM
Author: Vibrant useless antidepressant drug death wish

The solution, of course, is to stop caring about this bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617329)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 7:16 PM
Author: Vibrant useless antidepressant drug death wish

The "answers" they give are batshit insane too:

Steve Almond: Shame and anger are powerful emotions, Whitey. And yet your central struggle is around identity. You write that you don’t know your place. In fact, your letter describes your place as a kind of prison cell of privilege. What you really feel is trapped within an identity that marks you, inescapably, as an oppressor. This feeling is especially acute right now, I suspect, because you’re suddenly immersed in a milieu that reflects your privilege back to you. We do live in a culture steeped in white supremacy and class bigotry, as well as patriarchal values. But the solution to this injustice isn’t to wallow in self-hatred. Instead, heed the words of the writer bell hooks. “Privilege is not in and of itself bad; what matters is what we do with privilege,” she writes. “We have to share our resources and take direction about how to use our privilege in ways that empower those who lack it.” You’re not going to empower others by disempowering yourself.

Cheryl Strayed: I think Steve’s onto something when he notes that your anxiety is acute now because the racial mix at your college is reflecting your privilege back to you, but I’ll go even further: My hunch is that you’re truly seeing it for the first time. You grew up in a neighborhood and attended schools where you were one of the relatively few whites. It’s possible your status as a situational racial minority gave you the illusion that you didn’t have much in the way of racial privilege. Now that you’re living in a community that, at 75 percent white, roughly mirrors that of the American population, you’re feeling the full force of what it means to be white in a white supremacist culture and it makes you feel uncomfortable because up until now, in some unconscious way, you’d exonerated yourself from it. You were the “good white person” because you grew up among people of color. Now you’re another white face in the crowd at your elite college, and ashamed of it.

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CS: You ask us how you can be more than your heritage, Whitey, but what Steve and I are suggesting is that you need to own it first. As you seem well aware, your race granted you privileges that were and are denied to people who are not white. This is true for all white people in America, no matter how racially diverse their childhood neighborhoods were or were not, no matter how much money their families had or didn’t have, no matter how difficult or easy their lives have been. Every white person should be ashamed of that injustice. Which is different than being ashamed of being white. You don’t have to relinquish your heritage to be an ally to people of color, Whitey. You have to relinquish your privilege. And part of learning how to do that is accepting that feelings of shame, anger and the sense that people are perceiving you in ways that you believe aren’t accurate or fair are part of the process that you and I and all white people must endure in order to dismantle a toxic system that has perpetuated white supremacy for centuries. That, in fact, those painful and uncomfortable feelings are not the problems to be solved or the wounds to be tended to. Racism is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36617367)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 11:34 PM
Author: Vibrant useless antidepressant drug death wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36618659)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 11:35 PM
Author: Chest-beating self-absorbed potus

Put them all in an asylum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36618663)



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Date: August 14th, 2018 11:42 PM
Author: Excitant fanboi

Just do obsess over pandering to fringe groups of expert victims who can invent new reasons to hate you faster than you can think of new reasons to hate yourself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36618697)



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Date: August 15th, 2018 3:05 PM
Author: Chest-beating self-absorbed potus

Do I have to?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36621741)



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Date: August 15th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: buff razzle-dazzle liquid oxygen double fault



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Date: August 15th, 2018 7:12 PM
Author: Excitant fanboi

Do you have white guilt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36623060)



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Date: August 15th, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: Chest-beating self-absorbed potus

Should I?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36623984)



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Date: August 15th, 2018 10:08 PM
Author: Excitant fanboi

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36623999)



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Date: August 15th, 2018 7:20 PM
Author: impertinent hyperventilating quadroon



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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:34 PM
Author: Vibrant useless antidepressant drug death wish

TWITTER TROLL claims credit

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1030010992816742401

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36628953)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: Hairless garrison pisswyrm

ROFL . NY times doesn't publish fake news tho, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36634076)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 3:40 PM
Author: bearded clear market headpube

It’s Godfrey Elfwick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36634135)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 3:44 PM
Author: Hairless garrison pisswyrm

This was the person behind Godfrey Elfwick? Holy shit

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Graves

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1021718827535663104?lang=en

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-death-of-godfrey-elfwick/21621#

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36634171)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 3:46 PM
Author: Judgmental juggernaut kitchen

really want to believe this is real, but anybody could claim that they sent this in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36634181)



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Date: August 17th, 2018 3:48 PM
Author: Hairless garrison pisswyrm

Regardless that twitter SJW parody account is hilarious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36634199)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:35 PM
Author: sick navy dingle berry

Kars4Kidz

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36628956)



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Date: August 16th, 2018 6:40 PM
Author: Henna outnumbered den codepig

Whites made America great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4052079&forum_id=2#36628983)