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Is there money to be made in criminal law?
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Date: September 19th, 2018 1:43 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison Thinking about taking the bar and practicing crim law. Was the only interesting part of all of law school. But I don't want to be broke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841094) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 1:47 PM Author: passionate dark church building water buffalo commit a serious of sloppy homicides leaving evidence all over the place. represent yourself pro se. once you win, shit the ads basically write themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841120) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841886) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: Appetizing Gas Station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841902) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: Lemon Pea-brained Corner Volcanic Crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36843079) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 9:53 PM Author: Histrionic Becky Party Of The First Part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36844989) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 1:58 PM Author: obsidian up-to-no-good theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841191) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison bump for serious responses from some brothers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841652) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: obsidian up-to-no-good theater stage that's what im waiting on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841655) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: chest-beating claret idiot shrine from what I've seen if you're halfway competent you will sweep the floor with the average crim defense guy. show up on time, write briefs that aren't just c&p'd. A lot of the job is collecting though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841666) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison ty. isn't it possible to work with better clients after a few years grinding like that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841824) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: poppy sound barrier library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841881) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:08 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison how much can you realistically make in the not-profitable sector? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841912) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:05 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit The *entire* job is collecting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841895) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:07 PM Author: Vigorous infuriating forum faggot firefighter my crim buddies will drop a client ASAP if they can't pay, judges always let them out.
That said, they said that their clients always pay in straight cash. My guys have like $40k cash in a safe at all times |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit Drug trafficking cases are the best cases for criminal defense attorneys. The clients always have money and it's always cash. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841925) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison at what point do you know if a client can't pay? how late in the game? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841930) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:19 PM Author: Vigorous infuriating forum faggot firefighter when your hourly rate and time burns through the retainer and you know you've got a lot more work left and they refuse to pay or delay over and over and come up with all sorts of excuses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841998) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:19 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit First meeting. If they can't pay in full and need a payment plan, they're having trouble paying. If they miss the first recurring payment, that's a major warning sign. I withdraw after two missed payments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842002) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:19 PM Author: chest-beating claret idiot shrine A lot of these dudes pay upfront then like $200 a month. Well their moms do. So you're chasing after $200 a month, or your sec'y is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842004) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit The best is to get them into automatic credit/debit card payments or bank transfers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842041) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: chest-beating claret idiot shrine oh look at mr fancy my-clients-have-bank-accounts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842061) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:26 PM Author: electric mahogany piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842063) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit The worst is when the client pays you with a cashier's check from a payday loan company. That happened to me once and I never saw another dime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842205) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 5:34 PM Author: chest-beating claret idiot shrine not a crimmo but I had a client who, when I asked for his earnings records, went and got a printed report from a payday company. Dude had cashed his checks there like clockwork, every two weeks, for years, and paid an absolutely ridiculous amount of money to them in the meantime. It was truly sad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36843171) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:31 PM Author: heady ruby heaven coldplay fan This isn't a business where you ever have a repeat customer so what does it matter how competent you are? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842104) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone stain cruise ship What are you doing now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841857) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:05 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison corporate mid-level wagecuck, expected comp this year ~150k
but i hate it |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone stain cruise ship But you went to law school? Sorry I don’t know your schitck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841900) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:07 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison yea graduated '13 but went back to what i was doing before law school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841907) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: crimson razzle alpha Why go to lolschool if you just went back to old job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841940) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison i hated law school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841945) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: crimson razzle alpha Did you dread the thought of practicing law though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841964) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison yes at the time but now i realize it's all fraudlies and at least lawyers have upside to make $$$
at my current job i'll likely never make much more |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:07 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit I find criminal defense to be somewhat interesting. It sure as hell beats family law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841911) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison how hard is it to get clients? and what would you advise a new lawyer trying to get clients?
how hard to learn how to be a criminal lawyer?
how much do you make?
will i maek it? |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:18 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit I'm in a pretty competitive area, so it's tough to get good (which means paying) clients. Usually by the time I get cold called by a prospective client, they've already talked to a couple other attorneys they couldn't afford. Most are just fishing for information. The only reason I'm still in business is because of referrals from other lawyers and from my former clients.
Learning how to be a competent criminal defense attorney is really easy. It's almost impossible to provide ineffective assistance of counsel in criminal traffic (other than DUI) and most misdemeanor cases.
My income varies depending on a lot of factors -- I can go weeks without receiving a paycheck and then all of a sudden get a $10,000 case. Since 90% of my clients are on payment plans with 50% down, it evens out to where I make somewhere between $100k and $200k a year. I've only been in business for 2.5 years, though.
You'll make it if you have a good support network for referrals and case advice. I'm lucky that I have a bunch of really good attorneys (former prosecutors) that I can ask for advice on stuff. |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:26 PM Author: electric mahogany piazza can they just pay you in drugs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842062) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:31 PM Author: Cheese-eating Lodge that can certainly be arranged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842108) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison 180 thank you brother
i have neither of those things as i've been out of the law game for a while.
is there a lot of downward pressure on prices given how competitive crim law is? i'm assuming people without money want the cheapest schlomo possible |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 6:54 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit Yes. Even for serious charges. I got undercut by a sleazy attorney about a year ago and didn't find out until he filed his notice of appearance. The family told me they could pay, put 10% down the day after hiring me, and said I'd get the rest by the end of the week. They missed that deadline, and about a week after I asked them what was going on, I saw that notice of appearance get filed. It was the night before a motion hearing, too. That really pissed me off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36843670) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 6:57 PM Author: underhanded aromatic garrison lol ftge
i don't know if i have the love of the crim law to maek it in this environment brother |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: Brilliant native son of senegal Start selling burner phones in the bad part of town in a flashy tracksuit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36841943) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:27 PM Author: Cheese-eating Lodge you can get 100-250K in flyover for a murder case. 50K-75K for major felony drugs charges and you can get plenty of those in a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842070) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:28 PM Author: obsidian up-to-no-good theater stage dangerous flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842073) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:29 PM Author: Cheese-eating Lodge I know a guy in flyover getting 200K for murders (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842086) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842216) |
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Date: September 19th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: Purple orchestra pit Do you know how hard it is to provide effective assistance of counsel in murder cases and very serious/violent felonies? Even if your client pleads guilty in exchange for a favorable sentencing recommendation, you can still be on the receiving end of an IAC claim. That being said, representing convicts in postconviction proceedings is pretty interesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4081376&forum_id=2#36842266) |
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