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Charles: Jesus dies in 30 -> Rome peaks 117 -> Dark ages until 1800s
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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:52 AM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard how do you not see everything became horrible because of Catholicism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846683) |
Date: September 20th, 2018 3:28 AM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846879) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 3:32 AM Author: greedy heady brunch religion is the devil. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846880) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 4:49 AM Author: big antidepressant drug Can't tell if sarcasm?
It was only the "dark ages" in a relatively small part of the world - western europe. The Eastern Roman empire did very well although it had its ups and downs - was still vibrant and making progress, as did other parts of the world with very religious people.
You could just as well say - Diocletian divide ~276 --> Constantine reorganizes empire and moves East to the more economically productive / wealthy parts + legalizes Christianity 325 --> Christianity becomes Official State religion under Theodosius around 390-ish I think --> After Christianity is legalized then becomes official state religion, several generations later Eastern Roman Empire (which they just considered the roman empire) reaches its peak under XO Justinian in 560s
Your thesis makes no sense considering the roman empire - particularly in the west - was *already* in deep trouble by mid 3rd century |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 5:45 AM Author: Lemon corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846951) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:06 AM Author: Violet fiercely-loyal tattoo sound barrier op is mfe, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846964) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 5:58 AM Author: startling trip organic girlfriend tanning salon (gore vi:Dal) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846960) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:04 AM Author: cracking becky roommate “Dark Ages” is a myth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846962) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 6:07 AM Author: Buff hateful dingle berry Libs invented the dark ages to discredit white people. If you want to see real dark ages look at the entire history of subsaharan africa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#36846968) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:09 PM Author: multi-colored school factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339996) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:03 PM Author: curious orchestra pit Settle down, Gibbon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339925) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:09 PM Author: multi-colored school factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37339991) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:58 PM Author: scarlet ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343030) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:35 PM Author: swashbuckling cerise trailer park so is it possible we could have had the internet 200 years earlier and could have now had flying cars and sex bots that are indistinguishable from humans? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340148) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:35 PM Author: glassy heaven Pretty sure Rome had that stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340150) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:38 PM Author: swashbuckling cerise trailer park ho lee shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340164) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:37 PM Author: multi-colored school factory reset button What happened in 1800 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340158) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 10:38 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard discovery of fossil fuels. living standards actually peaked in 4th century BC athens. https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14660 |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:54 AM Author: multi-colored school factory reset button flame on the athens thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341698) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:56 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard 32% urbanization rate! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342665) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:57 AM Author: Jet hideous site messiness The chart on HDI for the Greek East is total fucking flame. LJL at 900 AD being worse than the Bronze Age Collapse. That was an actual Dark Age where Greeks had to RE-INVENT writing because they forgot how to do it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341707) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:00 AM Author: multi-colored school factory reset button social science shitheaddery like this is also behind the idea that pre-british colonization india had some AMAZING standard of living. just lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341718) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:01 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard (guy totally impartial about who was in charge in 900 AD) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342257) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:56 PM Author: curious orchestra pit Romans were in charge in 900 AD, and the Eastern Empire was coming on a fucking REVENGE TOUR in the 9th and 10th century hth faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342670) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 11:11 PM Author: motley narrow-minded coffee pot doctorate German scholars began questioning the historicity of Jesus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37340449) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:53 AM Author: Jet hideous site messiness Dark Ages are real but blaming them on Christianity is low IQ. Demographic collapse, long-term economic stagnation, de-urbanization, and political fragmentation that took centuries to reverse were all critical and not particularly linked to Christianity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341694) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:54 AM Author: multi-colored school factory reset button whys it gotta be the DARK ages hmmmmmmmm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341699) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:59 PM Author: onyx razzmatazz clown house Because of the lack of written record. There were meticulously prepared histories of Greece and Rome that survived but they didn’t do that across Europe and had a tendency to burn the others “Chronicles” when new power came along. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343039) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:05 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard But literature is a good proxy for decadence. Someone that has time to write histories isn't living at subsistence at risk of starvation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343078) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:07 AM Author: curious orchestra pit In fact Christianity gave them a unified ideology & a society to recover from said devastation - only remaining functioning govt and SCHOLARSHIP were the Church apparatus for a while in the West and in the East Xtian fanticism saved them vs the Sassanids (Heraclius is the FIRST Crusader) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37341734) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:02 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard ...so why did it take 2 millenia to recover instead of a couple centuries? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342265) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:03 PM Author: curious orchestra pit ? Absolute flame
Romans didn't even have fucking stirrups for that CAVALRY, Germans developed better democratic governance & Europe didnt' employ slaves,
France had much much better agricultural output than the Roman times
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard Lack of slaves mean subsisTTTence living. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342436) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:03 PM Author: Jet hideous site messiness It didn't; the idea that life was worse in 1700 compared to 0 AD is fucking flame, or if it is true, fails to account for a dramatic explosion in population. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343065) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:10 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard LOL @ claiming a higher population living at subsistence is a brag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343098) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: stirring bipolar hominid nursing home Not to mention one could just as easily blame them on Islam. After muslims conquered the middle east europe lost its main supplies of gold and papyrus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342468) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Jet hideous site messiness Shit was falling apart well before Islam so while that didn’t help it’s not really the cause. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342476) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: stirring bipolar hominid nursing home It was a primary factor in 1. demonetization of European economies, and 2. lack of writing/scholarship for about 700 years. The only thing they could make books out of was parchment, which was extremely expensive and time consuming to produce. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342897) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:41 PM Author: Jet hideous site messiness Like I said, it didn't help, but the old Roman Empire was far worse off in 630 than it was in in 330, which in turn was much worse off than it was in 30. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342908) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:49 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard In 380, under Emperor Theodosius I, Catholicism became the state religion of the Roman Empire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342963) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:51 PM Author: curious orchestra pit It was already TTT by the time Xtianity came forward - read up on the Crisis of the 3rd Century.
Constantine saved teh Empire hth |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:55 PM Author: contagious kink-friendly set jap Aurelian master race (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343010) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:00 PM Author: curious orchestra pit He was 180, but was ulitmately only a fireman b/c of his early death (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343045) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 10:20 AM Author: Smoky station can't argue with thescience
https://i.stack.imgur.com/XE9el.jpg |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:53 PM Author: histrionic domesticated range Reddit is lols (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342638) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:53 PM Author: curious orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342643) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:51 PM Author: Startled balding indian lodge reading party But I thought muslims were making yuge scientific advances during that time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342982) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:07 PM Author: Slate misunderstood hell lmfao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343091) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:21 PM Author: electric digit ratio love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345636) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:53 PM Author: onyx razzmatazz clown house You need to read more books :D, I am diving into this time period and it’s incredible how alive the world was. Religion overall probably made it worse, but some amazing things happened over those 1600 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37342993) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:57 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard LOL there was MONARCHY and CLERGY. How TTT! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343022) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 1:58 PM Author: onyx razzmatazz clown house 952 and 1144 were just as crazy interesting as today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343029) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:28 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard (Guy really interested in subsistence living) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343197) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:32 PM Author: multi-colored school factory reset button What books (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345681) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:34 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345690) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 2:28 PM Author: electric digit ratio love of her life This is your brain on xkcd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37343200) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:12 PM Author: fear-inspiring athletic conference lol @ :D always citing Richard Carrier for all ancient history facts.
Seems like :D discovers a website devoted to a weird slant of a popular topic and then just gives himself entirely to it. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:14 PM Author: aromatic haunted graveyard https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691173141/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Ober This guy is a SCHOLAR. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:13 PM Author: Irradiated corn cake Q predicted this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4082027&forum_id=2#37345600) |