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ITT: I explain Drunkard's stupid story in one coherent paragraph
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:48 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant Someone close to Drunkard was driving Drunkard's car and committed a hit and run. The police traced the vehicle back to Drunkard and demanded to know who was driving. Drunkard told them to fuck off so the cops got the prosecutor to charge Drunkard, hoping he would flip. Drunkard prepared for trial, but the retard cops had a shit case and they didn't even bother subpoenaing all the cops necessary to tie the hit and run to the vehicle to Drunkard via personal knowledge. Drunkard and his lawyer were like, "Ding, fags" and the judge recognized the downright incompetent police work and granted a motion for a directed verdict. Drunkard continues to protect the identity of the person who committed the hit and run. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36866992) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:52 PM Author: Sadistic supple factory reset button I wonder why people hate lawyers? We never have posts about people actually helping good people. It's all suing a dog owner because some wimp tripped and fell, or covering up a hit and run. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867013) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:52 PM Author: Stimulating olive pit There are bad people on both sides of law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867024) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:54 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant I wrote a will that excluded the bad son and when those people die the bad son gets NOTHING. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867036) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:56 PM Author: haunting razzle resort generalized bond sounds like he was the one being fucked over in this scenario (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867058) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:59 PM Author: Sadistic supple factory reset button Couldn't he just say "X was driving my car last night?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867080) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 12:02 AM Author: haunting razzle resort generalized bond Certainly. But is it too much to ask that the police actually investigate crimes thoroughly and don't charge people without having probable cause? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867098) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 12:29 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867250) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 12:02 AM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant Then X (chick drunkard is banging) is now charged and he's subpoenaed to testify against her. They could subpoena him to a grand jury and they would if this was manslaughter with some dead kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867102) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:56 AM Author: cordovan violent sanctuary haunted graveyard Sounds like he has no other choice but to marry her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867754) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 12:31 AM Author: erotic well-lubricated corner Why the fuck would you rat out your friends? If I saw you irl I'd kill your snitching nigger ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867274) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:50 PM Author: blue indirect expression tattoo what they needed to do is subpoena a records custodian of some sort to introduce the registration and prove ownership.
the dumbass 27 year old misdemeanor junior prosecutor forgot to do that, tried to press forward anyway, and they had to dump the case when they realized they would not be able to prove an element of the statute. this happens every day in most county courthouses.
but when it happens to drunkard, it's because he's a genius, fearless, a badass, and he knew to hire a fellow genius badass cowboy criminal defense attorney. it's special! |
Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:54 PM Author: Ruddy stirring locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867038) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:55 PM Author: nudist scarlet mood Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867046) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:56 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant Will you have to get your records expunged now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867061) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 12:13 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Why would I do that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867165) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:15 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant There are charging documents and if they actually arrested you and fingerprinted you they have those too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869246) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 6:13 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant To eliminate the government records. May be a state specific thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36879722) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:55 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant No even remotely and it was spread over 30 poasts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867052) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:57 PM Author: Ruddy stirring locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867067) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:57 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant It turns out the hit and run criminal was us all along. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867071) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 12:00 AM Author: Ocher lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867092) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:34 AM Author: Insecure State Private Investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867643) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 11:44 AM Author: Ruddy stirring locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36868835) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 2:18 PM Author: Laughsome Ivory Area Genital Piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869760) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:56 PM Author: crystalline affirmative action crackhouse yes and you all missed the xo line from the cop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867057) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:55 PM Author: Naked Learning Disabled Rigor Really unfortunate that he had to be banned for being an incoherent retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867041) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:56 PM Author: sinister legend market whoa, that's brutal that the cops put him to a Hobson's Choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867054) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2018 11:57 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867064) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 12:30 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Catch 22 maybe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867259) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 12:57 AM Author: Dashing step-uncle's house nibblets Wait, serious question from a non-lawyer, please explain to me like I'm a 5 year old.
What's your (Drunktard's) liability in such a circumstance? Can the police compel you to give them that information knowing that you know who it was?
Does the answer change with the severity of the crime - e.g. if he had hit and killed a pregnant woman? (I would think yes in extreme circumstances e.g. terrorism / killing people....).
Also I find this interesting as someone with complete layman's knowledge of the law / criminal justice - but is this the same as if you were walking by on the street and saw a rape / murder / animal buggery, and you recognized the murderer? I suppose it would have to be the case that the police knew you recognized the person who committed the horse buggery? Is the defining feature of this question - or maybe it's unambiguous to everyone but me having no legal training - the fact that your property was used with consent, and then the property was used in the crime / murder / serial-buggery across 38 backyards in a suburban community?
Sorry these may sound like stupid questions but it seems interesting to me - on where the threshold is that legally obligates you to give up knowledge / information in your head while having no involvement in the crime (except that your property was used).
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 12:59 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood I know nothing. They could subpoena me and I would say as much.
Even if that were not true, given the breadth of criminal statutes, only an idiot would say anything ever other than “on the advice of my counsel I excercise my fifth amendment right to remain silent.”
See Martha Stewart.
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:01 AM Author: Peach aggressive theater No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:02 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Unmitigated 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867453) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:01 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested I don't understand how proof of car ownership wasn't included with the complaint. That isn't something a DA should depend on testimony for. Regardless his story has nothing to do with his own brilliance (or hack) and everything to do with incompetent civil servants. Society lost. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867447) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:02 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Allegations in a complaint are not evidence. How was Cooley? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867455) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:04 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:02 AM Author: Drunkard
Allegations in a complaint are not evidence. How was Cooley?
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:04 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:04 AM Author: Mario Lmao
Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:02 AM Author: Drunkard
Allegations in a complaint are not evidence. How was Cooley? |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:05 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested Embarrassing night for you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867471) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:08 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Seriously, how was Cooley? They are not even binding on the party that makes the allegations (if subsequently amended). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867482) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:08 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested Why do you keep talking about allegations? Are you illiterate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867486) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:10 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:01 AM Author: Mario Lmao
I don't understand how proof of car ownership wasn't included with the complaint. That isn't something a DA should depend on testimony for. Regardless his story has nothing to do with his own brilliance (or hack) and everything to do with incompetent civil servants. Society lost.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867447)
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:11 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Check you crim pro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867499) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:12 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested In my state criminal complaints often have these things called exhibits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867506) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:15 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Which are hearsay unless properly introduced at trial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867527) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:17 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested Why did the cop have to introduce a DMV record during his testimony? And what was your hack again? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867538) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:19 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood They have to prove I owned the vehicle via evidence. The way to introduce that evidence is to have someone who obtained the registration introduce it at trial. Otherwise it is hearsay. This is crim pro 101.
95% of the time, no one would object, but my lawyer is 180 and I was also on the ball. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:22 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested Why does the cop have to authenticate it during his testimony? Is there really no other way to get a vehicle registration into trial record other than having the investigating cop who downloaded it from DMV testifying about its authenticity? I honestly don't know.
Also what was your hack? |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:27 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Someone needs to testify if you don’t stip to it (no one stips to anything in criminal trials). It, in theory, does not have to be a cop, but someone has to get up there and say, I obtained the registration for vehicle abc with plate xyz which is a year/model and here it is to introduce it into evidence.
Otherwise, they would have had to ask me and have me admit I owned the vehicle, which is what they tried to pull off, but I knew their game from reading the police report and seeing which cop showed up and only an idiot would take the stand, especially as part of the pros case.
The “hack” was having a good lawyer who (along with me) spotted the issue so I could go home after a 2min trial. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:29 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested So why didn't they have another civil servant spend 30 seconds getting your registration and then take the stand next? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867611) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:31 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Because they thought no one would notice I guess. It also takes more than 30 seconds in my state to get a registration (you have to go to DMV). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867626) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:32 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested For private practice lawyers in CA it takes weeks to get that info from DMV. I always assumed cops and city attorneys had direct access to the DMV database. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867636) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:33 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Maybe, but getting anything out of DMV is a challenge IME so I doubt they can just pull it up and come testify. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867638) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:37 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested Well hopefully the guy who was hit with your car still sues you directly. The criminal rap is an economic deadweight loss anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867659) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:39 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood I DGAF
It’s civil and I have insurance. Like I said, I am pretty sure the African (based on the name) was trying to pull a scam (uninsured motorist coverage or hitting a potential high value policy maybe) and there was no damage to the vehicle which was allegedly involved in the accident (in spite of the lies in the police report). |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:41 AM Author: Pearl idea he suggested Hit and run is a TTT move bro. Don't try to deflect (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867686) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:42 AM Author: nudist scarlet mood Everything I have said is the 100% God’s honest truth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867692) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:29 PM Author: blue indirect expression tattoo That's cool how you feel compelled to insinuate that the motorist your dumb twat GF smashed into is most definitely some brown illegal alien scammer!
Will you regale us once more with that awesome and true story about how you stuck a gun in the face of some kid going door to door for the ACLU? |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 2:29 PM Author: nudist scarlet mood I did not stick a gun in the face of the ACLU woman, I merely answered the door wearing my gun and had an interesting conversation with her. Go find the thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869844) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:27 PM Author: blue indirect expression tattoo "The “hack” was having a good lawyer who (along with me) spotted the issue so I could go home after a 2min trial."
A fresh out of law school PD would make the same 'catch' 9 times out of 10 and it would be borderline malpractice not to refute the state's case the same way if you had even ten minutes of criminal law experience.
but you're the man drunkard! |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant This is pretty obvious. There was no personal knowledge tying the plate number to his ownership of the vehicle. A cop was testifying, "this other cop told me he was the guy." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869254) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 2:26 PM Author: cordovan violent sanctuary haunted graveyard You touched upon the issue with this story that really threw me off. Yes, the prosecutor failed to lay the necessary foundation for the DMV records establishing ownership of the car, but before the trial ever got to that point, there should have been testimony linking the car to the accident. Was the officer who handled this part of the investigation at the trial? If not, that would be the logical place to attack the prosecution's case. If he was there, I find it hard to believe the prosecution wouldn't ask for a 1 hour recess to allow the cop to run over to the local DMV to obtain the necessary record and perhaps bring a DMV employee with him to testify in the capacity of a records custodian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869825) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 4:24 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant Yes, they forgot to bring “Kinny” the cop. But jeopardy has been triggered. The state can’t just be like “uh, we’re gonna get some More evidence, brb.” The jury is sitting there waiting. And practically no judge is going to tolerate this.
Even more practically Drunkards lawyer can be like, btw they have no eye witnesses tying him to the scene. The entire case is it was his car and they forgot to bring the admissible evidence to prove it. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:13 AM Author: Peach aggressive theater i think you are talking about indictment and kenny is talking about police report (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36867510) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 10:04 AM Author: Thriller juggernaut I don't get why the hell he took off the body panel. Is having a car with a missing fender at the point where they say he hit them somehow better than having body damage if you're trying to disprove that it was in an accident? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36868487) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:13 PM Author: Pearl idea he suggested He's a weird guy. Nothing he says makes much sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869235) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:15 PM Author: floppy unhinged alpha psychic red herring (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869251) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:52 PM Author: provocative institution dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869508) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:17 PM Author: blue indirect expression tattoo as always, he's fabricating like a minimum of 25% of the facts in his story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869263) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Thriller juggernaut So he’s bragging that he’s so knowledgeable of cars that he was able to rip a fender off a car he was in a hit and run with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869756) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Obsidian Space He most definitely knows a lot about cars, which makes it all the more lulzy when he fumbles around trying to discuss basic legal concepts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869848) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 2:32 PM Author: nudist scarlet mood I had the body part which had no damage (in spite of what the report said that it was damaged) and was going to have my lawyer use it as an exhibit at trial to cross the cop to impeach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869868) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Thriller juggernaut are you aware of the existence of cameras? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869895) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 3:14 PM Author: vermilion appetizing patrolman an even more stupid move. how would you prove that THAT body panel even came from the car to begin with?
your story is complete bs. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 4:26 PM Author: talented garnet garrison legal warrant He’d have to testify at that point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36870465) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 7:40 PM Author: vermilion appetizing patrolman After he'd already been allegedly called as a witness by the prosecution and pleaded the fifth? And with no proof that it actually came from the car involved in the hit and run? Sure. Ok. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36871627) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 9:19 PM Author: Thriller juggernaut that may be the stupidest thing i have ever heard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36872693) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: blue indirect expression tattoo whenever drunkard tries to discuss the law, he sounds like an absolute retard. he's either cryptic when he has no clue, or he's discombobulated and guessing when he attempts to assert some knowledge. doesn't matter if it's rock simple stupid criminal law like this or biglaw horseshit.
compare how clear he is when he discusses things he actually knows about, like cars or guns. his knowledge and acumen are obvious, if not adorned with his usual layer of bullshit and puffery. but he always sounds like a fucking clown when he discusses law.
many biglaw lifers are like this. he probably practices in a niche regulatory area or something and has no clue how to be an actual attorney who performs legal analysis and advocacy. it's an important part of his ego and identity that people think he's some omnipotent, genius attorney who could pwn any opponent in any forum with his legal brilliance, but the truth is he's a know-nothing specialist. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:19 PM Author: floppy unhinged alpha psychic Do you even understand how law is practiced in the south. It's like voodoo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869276) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: Pearl idea he suggested He lives in Delaware (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869279) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:20 PM Author: blue indirect expression tattoo CR, he's nowhere near the south. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869284) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:42 PM Author: sinister legend market south of the canal Delaware is the south. where exactly does he live? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869426) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:47 PM Author: blue indirect expression tattoo That guy is not referring to the hick shit you see around the rural atlantic coast, he's just assuming drunkard is in the deep south because of drunkard's politics and interests.
Drunkard also constantly stumps for his undergrad which is a big-time PROUD SOUTHERN MAN signaling institution. |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Pearl idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869902) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 4:07 PM Author: sinister legend market move to strike as non-responsive. can the reporter please read back the question? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36870375) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 4:08 PM Author: Pearl idea he suggested STFU, doobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36870382) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 1:47 PM Author: chartreuse mad cow disease theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36869465) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 4:54 PM Author: demanding misanthropic indian lodge prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4084511&forum_id=2#36870613) |