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Was this clip from the Sopranos foreshadowing Tony's demise?
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 11:52 PM Author: snowy exciting point Tony at one point in the series meets a old mistress of his father's while visiting his father's grave.
They begin to chat and eventually hang out. At one point she mentions she had a one night fling with JFK and he gave her his hat. She puts on the hat and proceeds to sing Tony "Happy Birthday" in the same manner Marilyn Monroe sang it to JFK back in 1962: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtD7MrJ6WM0
If you watch as the clip begins and she's singing, the camera pans to Tony and he seems amused. Then she continues to sing and when it pans back to Tony his expression has changed. He looks sort of repulsed. When the camera goes back to her finishing her song, is it just me or does it seem to take on a more sinister element? She also points her fingers (like guns) at him, and then grabs her head at the end. Of course he was probably creeped out because this old broad thinks she's still hot and his father's mistress is serenading him. It's a sad and surreal thing to watch.
I think it was a creative way of foreshadowing Tony's eventual death, a shot to the back of the head. JFK was killed in the same manner. |
Date: September 23rd, 2018 11:53 PM Author: At-the-ready Passionate Range Pervert Tony didn't die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36874373) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2018 11:55 PM Author: snowy exciting point gtfo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36874407) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: Burgundy space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36876602) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2020 1:11 AM Author: obsidian brunch jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#39526506) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: snowy exciting point sopranos fans, holla (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36876519) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:20 AM Author: Trip tan den legend Lots more direct foreshadowing, like Sil discussing how you just go dark (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36876589) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:21 AM Author: snowy exciting point I think that was Bobby but cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36876601) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: Trip tan den legend youre right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHvYRU2Aow |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: frozen theatre i think you mean this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bgi3z4M-Mo |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:27 AM Author: snowy exciting point Such a great show. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36876668) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: Adventurous associate fat ankles the episode was shitty so hopefully none of it was supposed to be too instrumental to the overall story line.
I think tony just realized she's a trashy cooze and it made him lose some respect for his father and the old school mafia in general. later on when he's with the guys he talks her up saying she was so classy and how she was JFK's full time mistress and used to go to the White House and shit. He did that I think so the guys would respect his dad and the old school ways, which he needed to do to keep them in line even if he knew it was a lie. Like his dad was such a boss that he was swapping gfs with JFK like it was nbd. |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:35 AM Author: snowy exciting point Well he was clearly repulsed by the fact that now she's this old broad clinging to her past foxiness when she's way past her sell-by date, but I think it also foreshadows the coming disaster, aka Tony's ultimate demise. He revered his dad and he always felt there was a True Glamour to that era, he idealized his dad and that time in the past. But here it is, now standing in front of him, old and withered. The destiny of all us. It's another scene that underscores one of the themes of the show: what is life really about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36876727) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: Trip tan den legend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ys_4XiNnJ0
this one has a restaurant shooting where time stops and music goes quiet |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:35 AM Author: Adulterous nibblets striped hyena Love the show, but I think you are reading too much into it. Think he was only creeped out, as you said.
I think the main foreshadowing occurred when one of the mobsters made a comment to the effect of you’ll never know when it’s your time; it comes as s complete surprise. |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:38 AM Author: snowy exciting point That was one of the most clear times, I think foreshadowing of different events was one of the underrated parts of the show and that it happens more times than you initially realize. Then again, I could be reading into it as you say. But it's another part of what made the show so brilliant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36876756) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: Adulterous nibblets striped hyena I think the show was so great because it seemed like watching real life. There are very few shows with that degree of realism (The Wire is another).
Also, I got to watch one of the scenes being filmed live at the Bada Bing, which is a real place, the Satin Dolls stripclub. |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:49 AM Author: snowy exciting point Yes! Satin Dolls. I'm from jersey, well aware of it.
My dad actually auditioned for the show once to be a small time character but didn't get picked. They did cast Ginnie Sacramone (John's wife) out of that casting though. She was just a lady from Jersey, no acting experience.
I have never seen the Wire surprisingly, I will need to check that out. |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: Adulterous nibblets striped hyena Too bad he didn’t get picked. How cool would it be to tell everyone you got to be part of the Sopranos?
If you liked the Sopranos I think you’d like the Wire. Everyone says it’s shitlib, but I didn’t see it that way. It seems ultra realistic, which is what I LOVE. It’s extremely hard to find ultra realistic shows that are also very entertaining. |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 11:11 AM Author: snowy exciting point Not sure. My dad really liked it, can't be too shit lib but I may start it tonight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36876990) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 11:13 AM Author: Adulterous nibblets striped hyena Of course your dad really liked it, lol. I’d probably agree with him on everything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36877005) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: 180 buff casino coldplay fan I've been rewatching a lot of Sopranos lately and I think that episode was more about how Tony was repulsed at this woman for being trashy, spendthrift, ignoring his fathers needs etc.
In the beginning, Tony thought that she was really the girl that was everything his mother wasn't for his dad. Classy, nurturing, nice etc but as the episode went on his impression began to change significantly.
The tipping point that really fucked his impression of her up for Tony in this episode was when Fran claimed that she still smoked when she was with Johnny despite him having emphysema as well as her constant spending on frivolities while pleading poverty (and her sort of coming onto him at the end). |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: Adventurous associate fat ankles probably that too. too much of the show was about him and his mom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36876787) |
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Date: September 24th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: snowy exciting point Yes! Agree with all of this. And she was clearly just after some money she was promised by Johnny back in the day. The smoking comment was telling and also when she insulted Tony's mother, saying she dressed like a "refugee". He sees the meanness and superficiality of it all. How maybe his mother's mistreatment led to her downfall and resultant personality. He briefly makes the connection. He feels deep guilt over blaming her, when she herself was the victim of being cast aside like nothing. Great episode. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4085597&forum_id=2#36876856) |