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What about rough climates results in lower IQs?
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:10 PM Author: iridescent public bath Wouldn't survival in rougher environments like rain forests and deserts if anything incentivize the spread of higher IQ genes? Dumb people can't survive in harsh climates, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017343) |
Date: October 13th, 2018 11:18 PM Author: Pungent Faggotry Base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017398) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:20 PM Author: low-t step-uncle's house Rain forests are probably one of the easiest climates to survive in. Fruit and animals everywhere to eat, lots of water, warm, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017401) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: filthy sanctuary tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017502) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:38 PM Author: razzmatazz casino wtf you get attacked by venus flytraps and alligators every few steps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017538) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 12:06 AM Author: wonderful topaz degenerate pervert Gorilla ripping you limb from lib
(also happens in the inner city) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 5:52 AM Author: ivory indecent friendly grandma nowag Lol - actually pretty cr. - because predators in the rain forest would have much higher visibility than in cold climates, and I'd imagine there were a high density of and greater variety of predators for the groups were talking about that long ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37018366) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 6:09 AM Author: Hot henna office sweet tailpipe lol...silverbacks everywhere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37018376) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 5:49 AM Author: ivory indecent friendly grandma nowag Yes - but harsh climate isn't the same as harsh environment. So the rainforest tribes may have an easier climate to deal with, but are always at war since it's easier to travel and kill the people 30 miles away and take all their shit and their women and kids and make them slaves, or are always fighting tropical diseases, or have to deal with many more predators, etc. etc.
(Don't underestimate the importance of predators in the two environments - and which environment's predators had much greater visibility of their prey etc.)
Whereas the harsh climate of northern groups may incentivize ways of dealing with the climate that genetically selected for cognitive skills, but could still be easier to survive on average, and importantly RELATIVELY easier to survive for the northern group's children of smart parents than for the rainforest's children of smart parents. |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:20 PM Author: Purple internet-worthy therapy den Don't need to plan in warm weather bc food abundant
Cold weather creates long term planners |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:23 PM Author: Big-titted stirring home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017426) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:24 PM Author: Submissive floppy stag film headpube you'd expect inuits to be super high IQ then, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017433) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:28 PM Author: Purple internet-worthy therapy den Good point probably dumb because they can't farm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017457) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:29 PM Author: low-t step-uncle's house complex mathematical models to predict migration patterns of seals and walruses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017465) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:35 PM Author: Idiotic queen of the night https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/201211/cold-winters-and-the-evolution-intelligence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017509) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:37 PM Author: Submissive floppy stag film headpube hmm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017520) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:39 PM Author: filthy sanctuary Interesting paradox. I guess because they aren't super high IQ, they haven't really expanded the way Scandinavians did, for example. Sort of a social Darwinism at play.
EDIT: Also, perhaps not enough competition for resources from other tribes and such. |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: Sepia dingle berry immigrant The Inuit as a culture are only about a thousand years old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017585) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 12:09 AM Author: Submissive floppy stag film headpube good point. what about their predecessors? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017747) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 12:11 AM Author: Bull Headed Love Of Her Life lots of hbd studies cover this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017763) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: iridescent public bath how were the americas, africa, and most of asia food abundant year around? crops didnt grow year around there, and most of those civilizations figured out food storage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017513) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 12:08 AM Author: Passionate brass masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017746) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:25 PM Author: stimulating useless brakes intelligence has been positively correlated with populations in colder climates. not trying to dispute you but what's your source? I'm curious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017437) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:30 PM Author: iridescent public bath "colder" yes but relatively usually means more temperate climates (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017473) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 6:11 AM Author: Hot henna office sweet tailpipe the Ice Peoples (european and northeast asian) are the descendants of people who lived through the ice age...in order to survive the ice age in the north you had to be a good planner with a concern for the future...and you had to have a good work ethic...this is what separates us from the Sun Peoples... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37018377) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:32 PM Author: big bat shit crazy international law enforcement agency lol @ the "cold weather made europeans plan ahead and develop higher IQs" flame
just admit that we're atlanteans already and we can stop embarrassing ourselves with this nonsense |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:33 PM Author: Purple internet-worthy therapy den Im fine with this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017498) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 12:10 AM Author: Passionate brass masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017754) |
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Date: October 13th, 2018 11:38 PM Author: filthy sanctuary You have a tribe in a warm, tropical climate. To survive you live off the land, eat various animals that are all around you at any given time, you don't need much clothes, you don't need much shelter.
You have a tribe in a place that is freezing for many months of the year. To survive you have to ensure you stockpile food for cold months, perhaps learn to build ships to fish with, build tools to hunt with, you need warm clothes and shelter that will allow you to survive the winter.
Which scenario would IQ provide more benefit for survival? |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 12:11 AM Author: Idiotic queen of the night Polynesians had all that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017760) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 12:17 AM Author: glittery aquamarine field so did American Indians, Australian aborigines, eskimos
that cant be it |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 12:14 AM Author: Exhilarant Beta Market all these theories are flame. once we really know what iq is in 100 years we'll narrow it down. but it likely has something to do with the kind of pressures that arise after farming/the advent of cities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017780) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 12:17 AM Author: Submissive floppy stag film headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37017808) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 4:37 AM Author: Hairraiser trust fund spot lol @ this lazy flame. europeans were SPS, ugly primitive savages (heard of karl, jarl, thrall??) until indo-europeans conquered and civilized them
better question is why did human civilization (high IQ) start in Mesopotamia. some kind of bacteria or virus? natural selection? |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 5:50 AM Author: ivory indecent friendly grandma nowag "better question is why did human civilization (high IQ) start in Mesopotamia. some kind of bacteria or virus? natural selection?"
Answer: Rivers |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 4:50 AM Author: Copper orchestra pit haunted graveyard I think often ignored is the role that social development plays in intelligence; we still don't have a good handle on the factors behind gene regulation, but I'd guess that the environment in which children are raised contributes highly to IQ. There is probably some truth to the theory that the easier the climate, the faster a society can develop, while the harsher the climate, the more they are pressed to innovate/the more natural selection for intelligence occurs. There is obviously an optimal balance to be had there, we just don't know what it is. I posit that societies closest to this equilibrium developed more optimally, and this development allowed each successive generation to move closer and closer to thinking abstractly and parenting more effectively.
this could also be utter bullshit, but that's my best guess. |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 5:42 AM Author: ivory indecent friendly grandma nowag Diet played a significant role I'd like to also add.
You're thinking of it incorrectly though - you're thinking of between group comparisons when you should be looking at within group comparisons for who holds the evolutionary / reproductive advantage, and what social and environmental structures within the groups are in place that incentivize different types of people rising to the top. Also keep in mind - what's important isn't that intelligence gives you an evolutionary advantage, all things equal it almost always will. What's important is that in the comfortable environment it gives you a relatively greater advantage than in the harsh climate.
If you take your typical "rough environment" - this could be a number of things. Let's just do 2 extremely oversimplified examples.
1) An environment where your tribe has great difficulty accumulating resources and getting food for everyone is a challenge. Who holds the reproductive advantage for men? Men who can obtain food for their family and maybe even their neighbors better than other men. Here hunting skills gives men a genetic reproductive advantage over men who aren't as skilled hunters. In this tribe strength, speed, ability to stalk and kill game is a huge evolutionary genetic advantage because your kids (genetic offspring) have a much greater chance at survival. Genetic lines with good hunting skills are incentivized here. When your environment is extremely harsh - e.g. food might be your daily or common concern - so if there's an environmental pressure that's killing off the kids and families and men who cannot hunt and obtain food as well - in some harsh environment for these groups of people - then this environment is selecting for the genetics of good hunters, which has relatively less to do with cognitive skills than the kinds of pressures on comfortable environments. You can think of all kinds of variations of this.
2) The comfortable environment. Food comes easily. Your diet is much better than 1)'s as you all have much better nutrition and development. If you live in relative comfort - what is your tribe's greatest challenge? Maybe building better structures, designing tools, designing diplomacy attempts with your neighbors. Maybe political structures in this society become more complex. Maybe different art or music in this tribe develops. So in this tribe you could see there are maybe skills for gaining status and stability to reproduce and keep your kids survival chances high that are RELATIVELY more tied to cognitive abilities than in 1).
These are stupidly oversimplified examples - but that's the general idea of genetic selection. I've read papers saying that diet and temperature played highly significant roles - so who knows it may be something just completely simple like their diets were better and therefore this better nutrition allowed better cognitive development, or faster cognitive development. The point is that there are environmental pressures in 1) the harsh environment that don't select for higher cognitive abilities as much as the selection pressures in 2) do - there are all kinds of theories and mechanisms by which we can intuitively imagine this happening. Imagining the reverse happening in the two groups is far, far more difficult if not an absurdly straining exercise to attempt. |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 6:03 AM Author: razzle whorehouse puppy It’s all genetics. Neanderthal genetic admixture—> bigger brain pans —> higher IQ. Whites and asians have more Neanderthal genetic admixture than other races.
Now what causes great CIVILIZATIONS otoh is a separate question. |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 6:26 AM Author: Maroon piazza I’m not sure about that. Homo sapiens wipes out the Neanderthal due to homo sapien’s superior intelligences.
People in this thread are forgetting that Europeans came from the Caucusus. They didn’t evolve in Norway. |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 5:37 PM Author: glittery aquamarine field This has already been proven false. Neanderthals had a higher brain to bodyweight ratio, used more advanced tools, etc. They also had very few children. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37021797) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 6:26 AM Author: Maroon piazza According to geneticist David Reich, based on ancient human genomes that his laboratory sequenced in 2016, ancient West Eurasians descend from a mixture of as few as four ancestral components related to the Eastern Hunter Gatherers (EHG), the Neolithic Iran, the Neolithic Levant and Natufians, and the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG):[59]
whatever we currently believe about the genetic nature of differences among populations is most likely wrong... “whites” are not derived from a population that existed from time immemorial, as some people believe. Instead “whites” represent a mixture of four ancient populations that lived 10,000 years ago and were each as different from one another as Europeans and East Asians are today.[60] |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 6:27 AM Author: Maroon piazza Sounds like a biased plug for the benefits of DIVERSITY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37018383) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 6:29 AM Author: Hot henna office sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37018386) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 6:36 AM Author: Maroon piazza Where is everyone else on this thread? Didn’t we put out a memo that 6 AM Sunday morning is the time for genetics and IQ discussions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37018389) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 6:39 AM Author: Hot henna office sweet tailpipe magic dirt vs tragic dirt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37018391) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: glittery aquamarine field It's all about the neanderthal DNA. Euros and Asians just happen to have more of it. Never forget: 40K years ago, we were ALL the niggers of the world. Except the 2% of us that were neanderthals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4105405&forum_id=2#37021778) |