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LJL job “loyalty” is feminine as fuck
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(Guy who wonders why he never gets promoted)
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but job hopping means you are a shiftless loser
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You r low iq
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Is that immoral or illegal?
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Spoken like a true gen x
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I’m the most loyal employee there is and am happy to s...
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Median tenure at jobs has gone up and its like 5 years now. ...
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yea it's almost like there was a massive recession and unemp...
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avg bay area software engineer tenure is rather low, I've se...
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I’m only thinking of front office dude
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How do you like working in Metrotech, you midget! LOL
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isn't it exhausting to constantly change jobs?
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Date: October 18th, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37050744)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 3:46 PM
Author: Passionate french death wish

LJL job “loyalty” is feminine as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37050791)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37050821)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 4:01 PM
Author: Galvanic parlour selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37050886)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 4:03 PM
Author: cocky giraffe new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37050900)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 4:05 PM
Author: hyperventilating glittery codepig

(Guy who wonders why he never gets promoted)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37050911)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: diverse goyim hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37050985)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook

but job hopping means you are a shiftless loser

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37050997)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 4:59 PM
Author: diverse goyim hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051320)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:21 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook

You r low iq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051953)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:21 PM
Author: diverse goyim hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051958)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook

Is that immoral or illegal?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051973)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:26 PM
Author: diverse goyim hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051983)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook

Spoken like a true gen x

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051997)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:29 PM
Author: diverse goyim hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37052009)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook

I help my parents out bro. Trust me, they are better off with me at home than me being off in MFH or San Francisco or Los Angeles proper taking it up the ass by some bald dork. My parents fled shithole town of Mexico and they are better off living here than there. Also, thank you for your tax dollars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37052026)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37057304)



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Date: October 22nd, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: cowardly fuchsia juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37071156)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:26 PM
Author: cerise tanning salon place of business

No but this fact totally eviscerates your credibility on the topic at hand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051989)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: plum bat shit crazy theater generalized bond

Neither but you're not employable in any capacity other than cleaning a toilet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056147)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 12:13 PM
Author: 180 slap-happy macaca ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056156)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Passionate french death wish

(Subservient NOWAG hoping his external hire boss notices his tireless “efforts”)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051166)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:21 PM
Author: pale vigorous piazza internal respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051957)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 12:07 PM
Author: tantric brass electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056107)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 4:03 PM
Author: autistic multi-colored cruise ship organic girlfriend

I’m the most loyal employee there is and am happy to switch jobs if another company values loyalty more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37050898)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 4:04 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy spectacular institution factory reset button

good NPC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37050905)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: Offensive Boltzmann Idea He Suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051357)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: Chestnut address

Median tenure at jobs has gone up and its like 5 years now. People job hop only for their first few jobs and then they really dont.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051000)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:25 PM
Author: swashbuckling vermilion crackhouse kitty cat

Lol fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37051975)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 1:33 PM
Author: Excitant Crystalline Stead

yea it's almost like there was a massive recession and unemployment spike that may have had a little bit to do with that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056728)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 3:34 PM
Author: navy high-end blood rage

avg bay area software engineer tenure is rather low, I've seen stats quoting 1.8 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37057467)



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Date: October 21st, 2018 2:59 PM
Author: burgundy histrionic genital piercing

yeah that's totally emblematic of the other 99% of the labor force

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37067309)



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Date: October 21st, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: Bistre dilemma

Tech people need to stay out of these conversations. So fucking annoying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37067330)



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Date: October 21st, 2018 3:09 PM
Author: umber talking dopamine national security agency

(Attorney)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37067336)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:29 PM
Author: cerise tanning salon place of business

Itt: people trying to apply broad general rules to a pretty fact sensitive question. People work in different industries with different levels of turnover, supply/demand dynamics and standards. In certain finance roles you’re probably fucking up by not moving unless you work at Goldman or MS. In other places you probably lose out by not sticking it out for a while.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37052007)



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Date: October 18th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: cracking erotic lettuce home

A friend is a software engineer and it's not good if you don't move every 2-4 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37052050)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: crusty razzmatazz background story shitlib

wouldn't you be better off climbing the tech ladder if you're at a good company already

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056101)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: cracking erotic lettuce home

would have thought, but that's not the case apparently. He's done very well for himself and after a 2 year stint at a shop, he was the only original software engineer left. He moved up to the bay and got a better paying job, though he was already making biglaw money (if you take into account stock etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056205)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: Offensive Boltzmann Idea He Suggested

Software engineer progression is really skill based more than anything. Skill + serious experience = higher pay when you jerb hop. The company your at tends to undervalue you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056760)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 10:14 AM
Author: Chestnut address

Guy with an MD title at one of Goldman/JPMC/MS -- I would have to be mentally ill to be looking to leave even if this is a compliance function. This shit beats anything short of brain surgeon or POTUS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37055461)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: cerise tanning salon place of business

I’m only thinking of front office dude

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056710)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: Offensive Boltzmann Idea He Suggested

👏

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056765)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 6:25 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37058465)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Racy saffron digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37063490)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 5:49 PM
Author: Adventurous dun locus laser beams

How do you like working in Metrotech, you midget!

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37058298)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 10:12 PM
Author: sable native

Lmfao I wonder which one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37059445)



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Date: October 21st, 2018 2:57 PM
Author: cerise tanning salon place of business

I saw this in WSJ and randomly laughed that you lumped yourself (a back office drone) in with this guy. Easily the single most dishonest post in the history of internet message boards:

*****

Morgan Stanley Banker Is Also an Uber Driver

Some bankers go the extra mile to land a deal. Michael Grimes drove many.

By Maureen Farrell and Liz Hoffman

Oct. 18, 2018 5:30 a.m. ET

Many Uber drivers are in it for a few extra bucks. Michael Grimes has a bigger prize in mind.

Mr. Grimes, Morgan Stanley’s top technology banker, has moonlighted for years as a driver for the ride-hailing service, according to people familiar with the matter. That side hustle—hardly necessary, given his multimillion-dollar Wall Street salary—may help Morgan Stanley win a role on the most hotly anticipated stock-market debut in years.

Valuing the nine-year-old company at as much as $120 billion, an Uber IPO would reward investment bankers with tens of millions of dollars in fees and equally valuable bragging rights.

Morgan Stanley MS 0.85% and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. GS 0.89% recently gave presentations to Uber outlining an IPO that could launch in early 2019, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday. Some people briefed on the matter say Morgan Stanley is the odds-on favorite to land the coveted role of top underwriter, which carries higher fees and prestige.

Some bankers have been known to go to extreme lengths to stand out from the competition. Most start with a mastery of the numbers and fluency with entrepreneurs’ vision, but some like Mr. Grimes have gone further--he rented an apartment close to one company and studied his daughter’s internet habits to get familiar with another.

Investment banks compete fiercely in Silicon Valley, where Morgan Stanley has been the No. 1 underwriter for U.S.-listed tech IPOs in four of the past five years, according to Dealogic. It is a boom-and-bust business, surging when the market is hot—like it is now—and moribund when investor enthusiasm cools.

But picking winners and landing the choicest assignments is never easy. While Uber co-founder Travis Kalanick was CEO, the company told banks that working for competing ride-share services would lock them out of dealings with Uber, according to people familiar with the matter.

The stakes are now higher than ever. After a slow stretch in which many flush startups preferred to stay private, the IPO market is booming.

Global tech companies have sold $123 billion in shares so far this year, versus $84 billion at the same point in 2017, according to Dealogic. Stock-underwriting fees rose a combined 40% at Goldman, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase & Co. through the first nine months of this year.

Dropbox Inc., Eventbrite Inc. and Spotify Technology AG SPOT -2.33% are among many high-profile companies to go public. The biggest launches are still to come: Uber, Lyft Inc., Pinterest and Airbnb Inc. are all eyeing IPOs in 2019 or 2020.

For Wall Street banks eager to cash in on the offerings, the preparations started years ago.

Goldman backed Uber early. It invested in the company in 2011 at a roughly $200 million valuation, gaining a stake that could turn a billion-dollar profit in an eventual IPO, people familiar with the matter have said. Goldman in 2015 sold to clients of its private bank bonds that convert into Uber shares at a discount to the company’s eventual IPO price. Gary Cohn, the bank’s longtime No. 2 executive, was a frequent visitor to Uber’s San Francisco headquarters and became close to Mr. Kalanick, who said of Goldman in 2015, “we’re big fans of those guys.”

At a conservative estimate of $1 billion, the profits from its Uber investment would amount to 10% of Goldman’s annual pretax profits and could put the bank in an uncomfortable position if it is seen as steering a deal that would result in a personal windfall.

Morgan Stanley has wooed Uber for years. When the bank authorized Uber rides for its employees traveling on business in 2014, it marked the occasion with a press release. In 2016, it arranged a $1.5 billion loan for Uber, the company's first major borrowing and one of the first times a money-losing tech startup had tapped the debt markets.

The same year, Morgan Stanley raised hundreds of millions from its wealthy clients to invest in Uber, despite the fact that the company was unwilling to provide key financial information. The bank currently is the lead arranger of a $2 billion Uber bond sale.

As the IPO looms, Mr. Grimes took center stage. A fast-talking California native with a degree in computer science, he is known to put on a show for clients.

Nearly a year ahead of Snap Inc.’s IPO, he rented an apartment blocks from the Snapchat parent’s Venice, Calif., office. When Morgan Stanley pitched music-streaming service Pandora Media Inc. on going public, Mr. Grimes had his bankers wear T-shirts from their favorite rock concerts.

He is known for being obsessive, even controlling, on the hunt for a deal. Before presenting to Pandora’s board, Mr. Grimes spent weeks studying his daughter’s usage of the website and chose the color of the paper his team’s pitch was printed on, a person present at the proposal said.

When seeking a lead role for Morgan Stanley on Facebook Inc.’s 2012 IPO, he insisted on being the “single driver” of the deal, arguing that having a sole bank in charge simplifies the process.

—Anupreeta Das and Greg Bensinger contributed to this article.

Write to Maureen Farrell at maureen.farrell@wsj.com and Liz Hoffman at liz.hoffman@wsj.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37067301)



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Date: October 22nd, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: Adventurous dun locus laser beams

LJL at getting picked up by this dude in his Range Rover or Bentayga.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37071153)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 6:26 PM
Author: heady pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37058470)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: mahogany indecent indirect expression

Shitlennials are obsessed with multitasking (and thus doing a shitty job with each task), so it’s no surprise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056076)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: Comical jade whorehouse faggot firefighter

No, but urban manlets, who are the type to job hop, do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37056084)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 3:18 PM
Author: Crimson pozpig

isn't it exhausting to constantly change jobs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37057314)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 3:19 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37057322)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 3:19 PM
Author: cheese-eating thriller gaming laptop station

I love it. I got a promotion after one person left to job hop. Then I got a huge raise after another did. I get the benefits of people job hopping without doing anything at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37057323)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 5:32 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37058196)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37059237)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 10:08 PM
Author: Charismatic gaped base prole

Hopping on cocks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37059426)



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Date: October 19th, 2018 10:08 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37059429)



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Date: October 20th, 2018 4:29 PM
Author: Coiffed community account travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37062794)



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Date: October 22nd, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Supple green boistinker stag film

ITT: Wagecucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37071166)



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Date: October 22nd, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: plum bat shit crazy theater generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37071258)



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Date: October 22nd, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: Hairraiser peach office

There's *extensive* economic literature out there that you'll start to be underpaid at your current employer after about five years and that most employers are incapable of making intelligent in-house assessments of value, which is why to attain your true value you need to leave. You are a slave to the machine once you hit the five-year mark.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4109772&forum_id=2#37071272)