(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37053228)

if you think i actually believed there is no cultural difference between the us coasts it just means you lost here and went on a totally unnecessary rant that achieved nothing

just like your strange insistence in the english thread that an english identity didnt exist until the norman invasions devolved into weird random rants about post-modernism that were so irrelevant that you yourself deleted them

come on bro. youre coming off as extremely long-winded and its really unnecessary for the purposes of our discussion

ADDENDUM - you sound an AWFUL like twist. are you twist? if so, very lulzy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37053474)

+ germans (yes the pre-german states = german)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37053204)

Prussian/Rhineland vs. Habsburg Austrian

Even now North = Protestant and South = Catholic

THe whole Grossdeutschland vs Kleindeutschland debate was a big big thing in the 19th century

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055414)

That volume of Semen has never been seen since.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37053209)

Us revolution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37053216)

What the fuck are you smoking?

China HISTORICALLY, when not united, was always divided along the river huai.

Northern China: More nomadic admixture, speaks mandarin, cultivated wheat. At first was centered around Xian, then later the core of it shifted east around Beijing still around the Yellow River

Southern China: originally populated by people related to the Thai and Vietnamese. First cultivated Rice in China. Centered around the Yangtze, and was relatively late in being sinicized - the beginning of Chinese rule over the south of the Yangtze really began during the 3 kingdoms. When the Jin fell to a fuckton of nomadic invaders in the early 4th century, the entire court moved south and began the influx of Han Chinese in the area, as well as a shift to a rice-based cuisine, etc.

Every time there was a civil war in China unitl the 20th c. it was north vs. south.

-Jin Dynasty after the fall of Xian moved south to Jiankang (today's Nanjing) and began the development of the Southern jungles into Han Chinese lands. China would remain north vs. south for another 2 centuries until the Sui Dynasty

-Song got pwnt by the Jin (Jurchens) and moved their capital south. Stayed north vs. south until the MOngols (and they were the ones that resisted the Mongols most fiercely using the Yangtze river defenses. LIterally could not take down Xiangyang for 40 years, and it took 3 MOngol emperors to finally take down the Southern Song Dynasty)

-Under the Mongol rule, northern china fared much better than the South

-Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Period also had a distnict north vs. South thing going on at the end of Tang

-Ming Dynasty revolted from the South (one of the only times that a SOUTHERN kingdom united China actually)

There's a chinese saying that "if a tangerine crosses the huai river, it becomes trifoliate orange"

CHina has ALWAYS had the north-south divide, and the Grand Canal was part of the plan to unite the two.

Even in the Chinese Civil War it was almost a north-south divide - CHiang Kai Shek first had their defenses in the Yangtze, and wanted a truce to divide CHina between north and south along the Yangtze, a re-iteration of previous Chinese civil wars. Except this time, the Communists easily took Nanjing and dashed his hopes.

Fun fact: Chiang Kai Shek almost took his Nat'list gov't to Chongqing, which is where Liu Bei set up his rump state in the 3 kingdoms period. Even now the Nationalists in Taiwan kind of see themselves as sort of like Shu, a rump state that feels like they're the legitimate rulers of China. They even use the same slogan that Zhuge Liang used: "the Han and Theives cannot co-habitate"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055405)

They say that a language is a dialect with an army and a navy.

The chinese dialects are so different from each other that some romance "languages" are closer.

The various southern dialects are essentially languages without an army and a navy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055476)

As a gwailo I have no idea (almost no idea, I can pronounce a few hundred characters in Canto) but in view of the northern invasions this seems plausible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055545)

Chiang Kai Shek is the canto version of the Mandarin Jiang Jie Shi, but in KOrean his name is koreanized to Jang Gae Seok.

A lot of k sounds became palatalized to j sound- Peking -> Beijing.

Many northerners fled to the south with constant nomadic invasions, so the south did keep a lot of the features of Old and Medieval Chinese. And it was around the Tang dynasty that the chinese characters were spread to Vietnam/Korea etc., so they preserved some of the features of the era, while the North went through a lot of changes due to the Mongol/Jurchen admixture

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055570)

Yes, beiJing = bakKing, k—>j

also the gutteral “er hua” R R R sound that Canto doesn’t have

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055610)

And since the Hakka are basically northern migrants into southern china dating back to the WEstern Jin, so yeah they definitely preserved a lot of features from medieval chinese

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055649)

I don’t know if the hakka (who yes come from the north) are the driver here, the Cantos would say that their language is the real Chinese and Mandarin is just some interloper from Mongolia.

But I don’t have a dog in that fight beyond some basic southern sympathies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055700)

A rough comparison to Romance languages would be like

Mandarin = French

Hakka & Canto = Somewhere on the spectrum that runs from Italian to Spanish to Portuguese

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055740)

Apparently Sardinian is.

I mean just like Italian, I'm sure they *think* that way but in reality nah Italian, Spanish and Portuguese are pretty equidistant from Vulgar Latin of the 3rd-5th centuries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055818)

But you get my point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055827)

also some unique Unesco protected architecture around Xiamen in China

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055820)

They are a group of people who live in southern China and are sort of like Jews in that they have their own subculture and area really closed off to outsiders living in fortified villages.

Their origins are still debated, but linguistically it does seem like they broke off ~1000 years ago from the North to the safer Southern areas which were less developed at the time.

I don't know too much on their culture outside of that tbh - but they do form a considerable part of Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia as well as Taiwan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055831)

My main interests were Roman/Byzantine but I'm extremely ADHD and my interests change every few months so I'd go on reading binges. I'm still more on the wide but shallow in terms of knowledge to be a true SCHOLAR though

My senior paper was on the Mongols and KOreans only b/c I had easy access to a lot of primary sources as I can read KOrean and a lot of older texts have been digitized and translated in Korea which was 180.

If I had the discipline to learn languages I'd probably have done something in Byzantine/Roman history and learn Latin & Greek. Hate hate hate taking language classes though so I just took advanced Korean as my only language class in college.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37056014)

Roman civil war

Russian revolution and ensuing civil war

Spanish civil war

English civil war

????

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4110029&forum_id=2#37055105)