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Ethiopian Orthodox worship looks 180 (video)
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Date: November 14th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: odious slippery associate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZYkqlg2rWc
This is what honoring god should look like IMO |
Date: November 14th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: sable kitty personal credit line (Miaphysite) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37231909) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: odious slippery associate Explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37231979) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: sable kitty personal credit line Ethiopian Church does NOT recognize the Council of Chalcedon - and believe in Miaphysitism, which says that in Christ, his divine nature and human nature are united (μία, mia – "one" or "unity") in a compound nature ("physis"), the two being united without separation, without mixture, without confusion and without alteration. The Copts who later became the Ethiopian Church were vehemently against the mainline notion and this conflict allowed for an easy takeover of the Levant by both the Sassanids & Muslims. Armenians also could not send their representatives to the Council of Chalcedon, so they're also part of the Miaphysite churches- usually called Oriental Orthodoxy.
The Chalcedonian (aka Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and mainline protestants) say that there is a complete and perfect unity of the two natures (divine and human) in one hypostasis and one person of Jesus Christ |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:19 PM Author: passionate pearl state milk maybe i'm poor at RC but this is so confusing. so the chalcedonians are the same as the miaphysites? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232235) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:24 PM Author: sable kitty personal credit line Exactly why the fight was stupid.
Most of it was lost in translation between the Greeks who used philosophy terms and the Egyptians who weren't used to such terms as physis.
Basically the Chalcedonians think that there are two NATURES of Jesus, divine and human, while Miaphysites think there's ONE nature that's UNITED between divine and human.
There's also MONOphysitism, which says that Christ has ONE nature, only divine. Council of Chalcedon was held to really end Monophysitism, but b/c of translation issues the Miaphysites (aka the Church of Alexandria) thought the Chalcedonians (Rome & COnstantinople) were verging on Nestorianism, which focused on the humanity of Christ
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: passionate pearl state milk you wrote that the chalcedonians "say that there is a complete and perfect unity of the two natures" while there's also "Miaphysitism, which says that in Christ, his divine nature and human nature are united "
so in both of them the two natures are united. they are more united in miaphytism?
the copts didn't attend the council? |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: sable kitty personal credit line They believe in distinct two natures in one hypostasis and in one person
while Miaphysites say the divine and human side are united in one nature
It's essentially a play on words at this pt |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:53 PM Author: passionate pearl state milk is this when eastern orthodoxy and oriental orthodoxy split? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232501) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: sable kitty personal credit line yes - Eastern Orthodox really didn't exist so it was more that the Chalcedonians (aka Rome + constantinople_) split with Oriental Orthodoxy. Even then I'd argue that the split was made permanent by the Muslims taking over the Levant - many of the Christian communities they took over and ruled over tended to be Oriental Orthodox churches, although there were definitely Chalcedonians among them.
The early church was just as political as it was about theology
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: odious slippery associate Why was this such a fierce debate anyway i don't understand the whole premise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232937) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:18 PM Author: sable kitty personal credit line Consider the 5th century- there is no "infidel" yet, only pagans that were so utterly defeated.
The Church was not a top-down organization as we know the RCC as now - they were more very independent communities developed as time went on. The 5 churches - Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Rome and Constantinople developed b/c tehse were major centers of population. Of these, the "original" were Alexandria and Antioch and Rome by the fact that these communities existed earlier than Constantinople & Jerusalem, and the Eastern churches had more population than Rome at first.
It was more a loosely united group of very independent communities rather than a top-down organization
They were only slowly centralized as the Empire took Christianity as its core identity - and these arguments were intertwined with these efforts, and so the detractors from the orthodox line many times were political enemies of the Emperor (and even then the Emperors themselves also switched "lines" often - Nestorius was at one point the Archbishop of Constantinople).
It's a clusterfuck of different people vying for influence within the Empire, as well as the zealots who believed that they were right, and the fact that there was no Christian orthodoxy from the beginning.
The Arians were probably the first heretical sects that arose from the mainline, as they believed that Jesus was not God and thus were kicked out essentially after COnstantine the Great - the Council of nicaea - and they instead spread among teh Germanic tribes.
It's really part of both "nation" building as well as religious zealotry - and the fact that it was really fucking hard to agree on what exactly was Christianity at the time into writing. Basically consider this an exercise in "nation" building within the church almost |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:26 PM Author: odious slippery associate TY. Were there any people who were just like lets just do the stuff jesus said and not debate weird shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37233037) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:28 PM Author: sable kitty personal credit line PRoblem was that they couldn't even agree 100% on what Jesus said since Jesus himself didn't write anything down (or at least none of it survives)
So from the beginning you would have differences in how to interpret what Jesus taught
But for the most part the gnostics may fit the bill |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: Flushed big-titted lodge geez dude play some CK2 and get EDUCATED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232780) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 4:47 PM Author: sable kitty personal credit line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232810) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: brilliant curious meetinghouse water buffalo Wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37231921) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: odious slippery associate ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37231982) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: passionate pearl state milk lol this is in Falls Church Virginia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232214) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:19 PM Author: Arousing hairy legs space if you want ooga booga, just go to a black pentecostal church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232236) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:09 PM Author: boyish ocher shrine masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232958) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: odious slippery associate Ethiopians arent black (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37233000) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Arousing hairy legs space never said they were I said a black pentecostal church would feature the same ooga booga type shit |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:24 PM Author: odious slippery associate Post seems racist. This is 2000 year old christianity. Very prestigious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37233026) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:25 PM Author: Arousing hairy legs space there is no functional difference between the type of "worship" in that vid and "OH LAWD JESUS" hand-raising. They serve the same purpose: to distract the rational mind by providing a rush of dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37233032) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:29 PM Author: odious slippery associate I'm not into the whole fedora athiest thing man there is beauty in the world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37233056) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:33 PM Author: Arousing hairy legs space dude I consider myself a Christian and attend a PCA presbyterian church and have trolled for that denomination on xo. There's levels to this shit, so to speak (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37233090) |
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Date: January 12th, 2019 1:56 AM Author: odious slippery associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37577568) |