Ethiopian Orthodox worship looks 180 (video)
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Date: November 14th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: copper big forum useless brakes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZYkqlg2rWc
This is what honoring god should look like IMO
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37231898) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:24 PM Author: free-loading genital piercing azn
Exactly why the fight was stupid.
Most of it was lost in translation between the Greeks who used philosophy terms and the Egyptians who weren't used to such terms as physis.
Basically the Chalcedonians think that there are two NATURES of Jesus, divine and human, while Miaphysites think there's ONE nature that's UNITED between divine and human.
There's also MONOphysitism, which says that Christ has ONE nature, only divine. Council of Chalcedon was held to really end Monophysitism, but b/c of translation issues the Miaphysites (aka the Church of Alexandria) thought the Chalcedonians (Rome & COnstantinople) were verging on Nestorianism, which focused on the humanity of Christ
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232277)
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: sticky stain
you wrote that the chalcedonians "say that there is a complete and perfect unity of the two natures" while there's also "Miaphysitism, which says that in Christ, his divine nature and human nature are united "
so in both of them the two natures are united. they are more united in miaphytism?
the copts didn't attend the council?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232445) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: free-loading genital piercing azn
They believe in distinct two natures in one hypostasis and in one person
while Miaphysites say the divine and human side are united in one nature
It's essentially a play on words at this pt
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232483) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: free-loading genital piercing azn
yes - Eastern Orthodox really didn't exist so it was more that the Chalcedonians (aka Rome + constantinople_) split with Oriental Orthodoxy. Even then I'd argue that the split was made permanent by the Muslims taking over the Levant - many of the Christian communities they took over and ruled over tended to be Oriental Orthodox churches, although there were definitely Chalcedonians among them.
The early church was just as political as it was about theology
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37232534)
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:18 PM Author: free-loading genital piercing azn
Consider the 5th century- there is no "infidel" yet, only pagans that were so utterly defeated.
The Church was not a top-down organization as we know the RCC as now - they were more very independent communities developed as time went on. The 5 churches - Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Rome and Constantinople developed b/c tehse were major centers of population. Of these, the "original" were Alexandria and Antioch and Rome by the fact that these communities existed earlier than Constantinople & Jerusalem, and the Eastern churches had more population than Rome at first.
It was more a loosely united group of very independent communities rather than a top-down organization
They were only slowly centralized as the Empire took Christianity as its core identity - and these arguments were intertwined with these efforts, and so the detractors from the orthodox line many times were political enemies of the Emperor (and even then the Emperors themselves also switched "lines" often - Nestorius was at one point the Archbishop of Constantinople).
It's a clusterfuck of different people vying for influence within the Empire, as well as the zealots who believed that they were right, and the fact that there was no Christian orthodoxy from the beginning.
The Arians were probably the first heretical sects that arose from the mainline, as they believed that Jesus was not God and thus were kicked out essentially after COnstantine the Great - the Council of nicaea - and they instead spread among teh Germanic tribes.
It's really part of both "nation" building as well as religious zealotry - and the fact that it was really fucking hard to agree on what exactly was Christianity at the time into writing. Basically consider this an exercise in "nation" building within the church almost
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37233002) |
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Date: November 14th, 2018 5:28 PM Author: free-loading genital piercing azn
PRoblem was that they couldn't even agree 100% on what Jesus said since Jesus himself didn't write anything down (or at least none of it survives)
So from the beginning you would have differences in how to interpret what Jesus taught
But for the most part the gnostics may fit the bill
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4132975&forum_id=2#37233042) |
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