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Chandler Trial #2 Day 3 - Closing Arguments (CSLG)
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Date: December 10th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Chandler is closing today. Verdict will be tomorrow most likely. I will post all the details in about 3 hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384165) |
Date: December 10th, 2018 4:26 PM Author: Maroon boiling water will the jury deliberate at all today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384174) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Not sure. Depends what time they close. I imagine no. I actually hope not. It is really bad for a plaintiff when deliberations start with like 90 minutes left in a day. Then people have incentive to have a defense verdict so they can go home.
If they deliberate starting tomorrow morning then they have all day. Plus it takes a LOOOOONG time for the judge to read the jury instructions. So I doubt it starts today. |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: Maroon boiling water tyft. chandler running out the clock, taking a big shit to delay the reading of JIs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384470) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: provocative mother forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384179) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: mauve stirring hospital toaster Odds? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384184) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 4:46 PM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen No dispute over liability. Verdict should be favorable. Just a matter of how much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384289) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 4:48 PM Author: beta hilarious lodge foreskin Good luck, Chandler! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384308) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 4:50 PM Author: slate institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384322) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 4:51 PM Author: Spruce Deer Antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384324) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: comical bossy whorehouse faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384315) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 4:53 PM Author: Cowardly spot travel guidebook 180 I hope you rape the insurance company (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384339) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 5:28 PM Author: alcoholic crawly main people CHANDLER CHANDLER CHANDLER (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37384553) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 7:24 PM Author: Maroon boiling water it's been 3 hrs. UPDATE? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37385209) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 7:31 PM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Havent heard from him yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37385260) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 7:33 PM Author: azure nofapping national security agency state Big numbers take longer to read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37385271) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 9:56 PM Author: Maroon boiling water UPDATE PLEASE? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37386206) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:05 PM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Sorry for the late update. Chandler called me when I was having dinner with my family and then I had to put my son to bed.
First, on Thursday the defense made a bunch of motions to keep out the video of our expert. Most importantly, the video of him giving costs of future surgery. They argued since the surgery was conditioned on a positive discogram that it may not be needed. Chandler argued and won that issue. The entire video of our expert came in. On that point we presented our expert via video. Basically we just taped the defenses depo of our expert and joined the notice. This saved us 12k in costs since we didnt have to call our expert.
Today we played the video. Everything came in. Our expert cut our doctors costs a bit but that made us seem reasonable. Then defense called their doctor. Chandler got him to admit that the risk of epidurals is paralysis and death (which he later used on closing ti argue no plaintiff would commit fraud with those risks). Defense pulled some crazy shit though where they found 2 pages that looked like an incomplete PI report template that looked shady. Made the treating doctor look bad at first.
Chandler then asked the defense doctor if there were any other ossues in the 2,000 pages of records. The doctor said no.
Then Chandler and defense did their closings. Chandler argued that 2 page template was just a report draft and a red herring. He asked for nearly 500k per person. He said he got good eye contact from the female jurors but one fat slob juror wouldnt make eye contact. Chandler hammered that their doctor billed 27k for testomy and how ridiculous that was. He said we saved pur clients moneh and days of the jury's time by calling via video. That really resonated woth them he thinks.
Defense argued this was all fraud between the doctors and clients. They asked for a defense verdict and in the alternative 10k each.
Judge read the jury instructions and they started deliberating at 330. The recessed at 415. Back to deliberations tomorrow. |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:18 PM Author: Cerebral haunting cuck >Basically we just taped the defenses depo of our expert and joined the notice. This saved us 12k in costs since we didnt have to call our expert.
Lol, defense sounds like noobs. Deposing the plaintiff’s experts in a case like this is a rookie mistake.
Why didn’t you guys use a life care planner? Don’t read anything into my question. I haven’t followed this case close enough to have an opinion on whether a life care planner was warranted. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:19 AM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Not usually done on a case this size. Sometimes it makes the jury feel like you are milking it. If they had the surgery we would have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387211) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:22 AM Author: Cerebral haunting cuck Yeah, life care planners definitely have that feel to them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387225) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:44 PM Author: Maroon boiling water >> but one fat slob juror wouldnt make eye contact
what's his moniker? |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:59 PM Author: Curious domesticated locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387107) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: Zippy Bull Headed Puppy I would think a fat slob would be on your side. Always suffering from back pain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37390565) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:53 PM Author: Nighttime Elite Crackhouse Patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387075) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:22 AM Author: Curious domesticated locus “Defense pulled some crazy shit though where they found 2 pages that looked like an incomplete PI report template that looked shady.”
Can you explain what this document was |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:28 AM Author: Cerebral haunting cuck Sounds like they (Chandler and CSLG (or some other PI attorney from another case)) sent the doc an exemplar report to use in drafting a report, and the doc fucked up and forgot to "save over" the report. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387246) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:33 AM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Nah it was the docs own examplar. Not from a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387266) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:41 AM Author: Cerebral haunting cuck That's what I was getting at with the nested patenthetical. It had to come from somewhere.
I assume Cali hasn't adopted a counterpart to the federal rule thay arguably would make the draft report inadmissible?
Was this a treating doc? If so, why was he drafting a report as a non-retained expert?
Edit: just re-read the description. Sounds like it may have been worth it to spend the $15k to get the doctor to appear for live testimony. On the other hand, sunk cost fallacy and all of that. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:34 AM Author: magenta federal personal credit line This guy is a renowned orthopedic spine surgeon who does a ton of defense and plaintiff work. This case we received from another firm. I think it’s just a incomplete rough draft. Looks really bad. Defense is pushing hard for a defense verdict. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387269) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:38 AM Author: Curious domesticated locus Will your clients still appreciate all the work you put in even if it’s a defense verdict (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387281) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:39 AM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Probably not lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387287) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:40 AM Author: magenta federal personal credit line Clients say they feel good other than that record. Clients have confirmed fucked up backs confirmed by MRIs. I kept on harping that even ignoring what the doctors say, our clients have confirmed significant MRI findings in their lower back, the objective evidence comports with the complaints (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387288) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:46 AM Author: Cerebral haunting cuck This would have been a good case for my jurisdiction. Plaintiffs can recover based solely on an increased probability of need for future care. Makes it much easier for plaintiffs to prove up damages without appearing shady. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387311) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:59 AM Author: Maroon boiling water they turned down 50 or 60k already right? obviously not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387356) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 1:03 AM Author: magenta federal personal credit line Offer to date was 25k each the day we reported for trial.
Litigation offers were 7500 each. At the mandatory settlement conference they went up to 15k each. While we were waiting for a court assignment, they went to 25k each. No new offers or demands exchanged during trial. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 1:23 AM Author: Maroon boiling water Did you make any demands or offers besides the one where you get costs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387394) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 12:41 AM Author: Pink School Cafeteria how much does the referral mill get? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387293) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 1:23 AM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Half. Thats pretty standard though when you hire a trial lawyer to try a fully worked up case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37387395) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 9:15 AM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37388048) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 9:33 AM Author: navy office ceo Good luck.
For how long does the jury typically deliberate in cases like these? |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 9:41 AM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen 99% verdict comes today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37388147) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Mildly autistic french chef lettuce god speed you noble sheisters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37388907) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Maroon boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37388913) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: provocative mother forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37388916) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 11:41 AM Author: Free-loading smoky skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37388946) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: navy office ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37388968) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 11:46 AM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Chandler is very anxious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37388987) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Gold trust fund 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37388552) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Jury still in deliberations. This is a good sign. If they come back too fast it is usually a defense verdict. I doubt it is a defense verdict at this point. Probably a matter of how much they award. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37389693) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: Maroon boiling water it only has to be 9/3 on damages? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37389805) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: drab piazza liquid oxygen Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37389830) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: beta hilarious lodge foreskin 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37389844) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 3:59 PM Author: Zippy Bull Headed Puppy Do you guys have a list of questions Chandler asked at Voir Dire? I have a trial next week with similar facts/damages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37390506) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:01 PM Author: Concupiscible dark windowlicker Here's hoping jury slaps them with dat 6-figga verdict! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37390525) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: Sapphire newt Don't. Be. Mean. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37390534) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:43 PM Author: Curious domesticated locus Update (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391238) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:49 PM Author: azure nofapping national security agency state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391281) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:12 PM Author: navy office ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391381) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:16 PM Author: magenta federal personal credit line Verdict is in and it’s a win. Not a huge win but we won the trial. CSLG has all the info for his thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391404) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:19 PM Author: Spruce Deer Antler how much??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391424) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:22 PM Author: citrine ungodly den good work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391437) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:22 PM Author: jade exhilarant goyim lame, i would've defense verdict'd your ass in 2 seconds for this bs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391438) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:25 PM Author: Maroon boiling water OUT THE NUMBER! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391451) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:26 PM Author: magenta federal personal credit line Defense offered 0 prelit
$15,000 total (in May of 2018) after years of litigation
$30,000 total during expert discovery last month
$50,000 “absolute top” total morning of trial.
We hit $96,200. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:27 PM Author: misanthropic turdskin rehab did u clear your offer of judgment? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391467) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:28 PM Author: magenta federal personal credit line No, defenses was 15,000 each which we beat
They had the hidden secret weapon which they pulled out in trial which really really hurt us. Defense attorney told me he was sure this would be a defense verdict. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:29 PM Author: beta hilarious lodge foreskin So you cleared it you fucking shitlawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391485) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:30 PM Author: magenta federal personal credit line I cleared the DEFENDANT offer of judgment.
We sent ours out, and did not clear ours. Brej. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:29 PM Author: Maroon boiling water how much will the firm get? half of 40% of that number, plus recovering costs?
how much will the pltfs end up with? |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:30 PM Author: beta hilarious lodge foreskin It’s a 40 degree day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391490) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:30 PM Author: magenta federal personal credit line I’m going to file a cost of proof motion requesting $200,000 in attorneys fees (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391497) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:31 PM Author: Maroon boiling water what're the chances of getting that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391502) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:33 PM Author: magenta federal personal credit line Low because jury didn’t come back unanimously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391519) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:48 PM Author: navy office ceo Since liability wasn't in question, do you think they couldn't unanimously decide causation or damages? If it's damages, then you might still have a shot. But, I have no clue how fee motions work in these kinds of cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391589) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:32 PM Author: Curious domesticated locus PI is fee shifting !? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391507) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:32 PM Author: citrine ungodly den based on the RFA argument? gl dooder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391508) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:31 PM Author: navy office ceo congrats bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4153293&forum_id=2#37391504) |