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What is the end point for CFB realignment?
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator At what point do we just admit that the conferences have lost all meaning? If the Big Ten adds Texas/Oklahoma as I have read, it is time to just admit the traditional conference structure is pointless. It is no longer about tradition and playing historic rivals in the state next to you when you have unwieldy conferences that feature Texas/Oklahoma and Maryland/Rutgers.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the next round of TV rights. The big TV contracts are going to go away due to cord cutting and the next bidders will likely be streaming services who will rely on a data-driven approach based on paying for only the schools people actually want to watch. No one cares about Northwestern and Oregon State games.
Does this end in essentially PPV for each game? Four 16 team super-conferences? I think the most likely long-term move is the top 25-35 schools that actually bring in ratings break off and form their own league while keeping traditional conferences for the other sports. Break the teams into regional pods like the NFL (e.g AFC Central) and have an NFL-style playoff. They would likely make $100M plus each in TV rights, while the remaining teams struggle to get by and become non-conference cannon fodder. It makes a lot more sense to get back to the smaller regional conferences IMO.
What do you want or expect to happen?
As we know, all revolves around the mighty TV dollar, but the TV business is drastically changing. Who knows how we’ll be watching sports in 10 years, but it likely won’t be via the current bundled cable model. At the very least, consumers will be able to decide for themselves which media entities (ESPN, FS1, NCBSN, etc.) they’re willing to pay for. Or perhaps no longer will be a middleman and you will purchase game broadcasts straight from the leagues themselves to stream on your own device.
Whereas the last round of realignment was driven by inventory — bundle together as many schools from as many markets as possible to command the highest possible subscriber fees — the next round will be more about content. Put on the biggest possible games to garner the largest possible audience because the viewers themselves will become the buyers rather than Comcast or Time Warner.
To that end, the best possible way for an Ohio State or Alabama to maximize its value will be to shed the six or so games a year that only its own fans care about and turn every game into a national event. I’m talking one 24-team “conference” of only the biggest names in the sport, funneling exclusively into the College Football Playoff.
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390551) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria As a Nebraska fan, do you miss the Big 8? Or do you prefer the Big 10? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390567) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:13 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge I miss the Big 8, don't necessarily miss the Big 12 given what transpired with Texas.
In the short term, the move to the B1G has clearly hurt Nebraska's program. Long term, it was still the right thing to do IMO. The Big 12 will not survive conference re-alignment and Nebraska couldn't risk getting stuck in some mid-major conference with KU, KSU and ISU. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:20 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria Not a Huskerhead, but I used to love watching Nebraska-Oklahoma and Nebraska-Colorado (when Colorado was good). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390665) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: Irradiated stage CR
OU/Neb was a fantastic rivalry |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:23 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWxVfds6MiA |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:23 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge they're playing again in a couple years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390705) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator Scott Frost - Lincoln Riley (if he stays) would have the potential to be the Osborne-Switzer of this generation. How fun would that rivalry be? Instead we get NU-Maryland and Oklahoma-West Virginia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390686) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: aromatic forum tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390748) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: Sickened flushed set Texas-Nebraska was awesome, too. Texas winning the first championship in a shocker. Nebraska then being the Natty favorite and destroying Texas and everyone else in the Big 12 the next few years. Nebraska were fucking tards for leaving the Big 12. They started this whole thing and it was just them being butthurt about the refs putting the one second back on the clock in the Big 12 championship the year before. Had they stayed they would've fucking murdered UTTT in recruiting the last 8 years and only had to beat OU in the Big 12 championship to make the playoff, which would've happened like 3/8 years. Bo Pelini could've handled that just fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390776) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:34 PM Author: Irradiated stage Longhorn Network $ was more important than playing Nebraska and Texas A&M
You know, the school Texas talks about in their fucking fight song?
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Sickened flushed set DeLoss Dodds was blatantly senile when this all went down. Also dumbass Rick Perry blatantly favored A&M in all things, and was actively trying to fuck over UTTT for like a decade, so UTTT got defensive and overcompensated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390816) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: Smoky dopamine LOL
Delusional Husker fans used to bug the shit out of me. Now, I hope they never change. They are like the local used up meth head chick that used to be hot shit and never stops reminding EVERYONE that she used to be hot shit. First it is annoying, then it is sad, but after while, it becomes part of the local fabric and adds some color to life. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Sickened flushed set Sooooooo CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390818) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Smoky dopamine I guess what I'm saying is Nebraska football is the Peterman of CFB (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390828) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:47 PM Author: vivacious principal's office flame, I-80 is clearly marked as DOOBS territory per the Treaty of Breezewood, see below
https://imgur.com/Thi1pcv |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator Nebraska has still won 9+ games in 8 of the past 11 seasons and should have won the final two Big 12 championship games when they were in that league (lost by a combined 4 points). They made a couple really bad coaching hires, but are going to kill it under Frost. Frost versus Herman would be fun on a yearly basis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391048) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Sickened flushed set Exactly. As would Frost v. (Lincoln) Riley.
Going forward, the only plausible answer here is 4 super conferences with 8 team divisions, an 8 team playoff with 3 at-larges (one non-power 5 dedicated) and 4 non-conference games every year (i.e. just one rotating intra-conference-other-division game). This would maximize incentives for all the big dogs to play each other so that they could get one of the three at-larges with two losses based on strength of schedule better than Notre Dame's.
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator I think a 64 team/4 super-conferences or one big CFB Premier League as the most likely outcome. With the 64 team set up possibly being a transitional arrangement until people a at the top 30 or so school realize they can make $150M a year and not have to give schools like Iowa State money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391135) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:33 PM Author: Sickened flushed set A proper premiere league with relegations where the bottom 4 teams can be voted out by the top 60 would be awesome, noanglophilecraftbeerhomo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391191) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:47 PM Author: Smoky dopamine "until people a at the top 30 or so school realize they can make $150M a year and not have to give schools like Iowa State money."
This is obviously where everything is heading. The Big 10 managed to exist for 120+ years with virtually no infighting concerning the share and share alike arrangement, notwithstanding the UM/OSU + everyone else dynamic for a large part of that time. While the Big 12 members were fighting like little bitches over revenue distribution, no one in the Big 10 even hinted at disturbing the longstanding profit distribution.
Now that the Big 10, as a historical relationship between institutions of higher learning, is all but dead, I don't see any reason for OSU, UM. and to a lesser extent, PSU to voluntarily continue with this arrangement. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge You realize that Nebraska made the move to protect its future for the next 50 years, right?
It would have been incredibly short-sighted to pass that up over some speculation that Texas would continue to be shitty for the next 10 years. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Sickened flushed set Yeah it was totally inconceivable that a huge bet on cable TV as the sports medium of the future in 2011 wouldn't pay off. Your cornfucker hands were completely tied. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390826) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:51 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge you're making no sense here.
Nebraska's options were to (a) stay in the Big12 and continue to get screwed by UT and risk getting completely left out in the cold if UT decided to jump conferences or (b) move to the B1G, protect its long term future and increase its yearly revenue BIGLY.
If you can't understand why Nebraska chose (b) then you are truly too stupid for words. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:57 PM Author: Irradiated stage CR Nebraska's hand was forced by UTTT's gluttonous greed and short-term thinking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390917) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:03 PM Author: Smoky dopamine My recollection of the sequence of events is very hazy at this this point. Did the TEX-as-FAG-gots (clap clap clapclapclap) threaten to leave for the Pac10 or Big10 before or after NU and CU jumped ship? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390963) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: Sickened flushed set It was literally the week before and Nebraska panicked and re-raised all in.
https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/big_12/article/Big-12-brass-stalls-as-Pac-10-rumors-surface-784864.php?SPSID=54181&SPID=127245&DB_OEM_ID=31000 |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391053) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: Sickened flushed set Nebraska was literally the first mover in conference realignment. You could argue in June 2010 that it would be "left out in the cold" but you can't today. Had UT left for the Pac 14 or whatever Nebraska would've been in the Big 10 the next day. Nebraska actually took a substantial hit to its annual revenue v. staying in the Big 12 because it only gor 60% payouts for six years, though the 2017 pay out suggests that they could come out ahead long term (as long as the cable companies can continue paying these prices, which we all know they can't).
Look I get why Nebraska left, but you are delusional if you're arguing it's all UTTT's fault or that Nebraska is blameless in how fucked up CFB has become due to realignment. Nebraska is patient zero of realignment. Sure the Longhorn Network was/is real retarded sir. But reacting to that by saying "well two can play at this amateur media executive game, I raise and am totally happy to throw out all my school's traditions in the process" was moronic. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:07 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge "You could argue in June 2010 that it would be "left out in the cold" but you can't today."
So Nebraska should have had a time machine? |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: Sickened flushed set No they should've had some self-respect and some situational awareness. Anyone who heard that Pac 10 rumor knew it was fucking dumb and would never happen, and it was all a bluff to get the conference to sign off on the Longhorn Network. Anyone in 2011 who heard about the Longhorn Network and thought "my God Texas will be invinceable with a tier 4 cable channel!!!" was a fucking idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391052) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge Nebraska's problems with Texas literally date back to when the Big 12. Your poasts ITT have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the current economics of college football and the facts surrounding what prompted Nebraska to leave in the first place. Maybe just sit this one out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391109) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:33 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391189) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:39 PM Author: Sickened flushed set “Nebraska's problems with Texas literally date back to when the Big 12 [started].”
You mean how TTTexas pwned Nebraska in 96, 98 AND 99 and ruined multiple chances at national championships and then took over the Big 12 after that? LJL at cornfaggots.
https://huskercorner.com/2010/10/14/why-does-nebraska-hate-texas/ |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:51 PM Author: Smoky dopamine JFC, with one exception, everyone is participating in this conversation with a firm grasp of most the issues and a rational view of the problems facing CFB. Then you come along and do nothing but say one stupid thing after another. Can you not appreciate this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391288) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:54 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391301) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:08 PM Author: Smoky dopamine TBF, your analysis is premised on Texas going to the Pac10. If Texas had went to the Big10, there was a real chance that Nebraska would have been left out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391005) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:10 PM Author: Sickened flushed set What possible deal could've resulted in Texas going to the Big 10 without Nebraska? The team left out would've been Texas Tech and/or Oklahoma State. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391027) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Smoky dopamine Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame to the Big Ten. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391110) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:30 PM Author: Sickened flushed set This was never remotely plausible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391177) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: Smoky dopamine That was a more likely outcome than Nebraska coming along to the Big 10 with Texas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391205) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:43 PM Author: Sickened flushed set This is like saying that me winning the lottery on Friday is slightly less improbable than me winning tonight. Effectively the chance of both is zero. Texas to the Pac 10 at least involved actual conversation with the commissioner of the proposed conference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391241) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:05 PM Author: Smoky dopamine There has been persistent talk of Texas joining the Big 10 going all the way back to the 90s. For example: https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/16/big-12-expansion-oral-history-big-8-swc-merger And "credible" sources were claiming that Texas and the Big 10 were exploring Texas joining the Big 10 when the Big 12 was on the cusp of imploding. Who knows if these talks were sincere, or if Texas was merely trying to negotiate better terms with the Pac 12. The point is that Nebraska didn't know, and if Texas joined the Big 10, there was practically zero chance Nebraska would also be invited to join the Big 10 (nor is it likely would Nebraska want to continue being in the same conference as Texas, and that sentiment had nothing to do with on field competition, with the possible limited exception being officiating).
Everyone likes to talk shit about those faggots, and personally, I would hate it if Texas joined the Big 10. However, I will also concede that they would be an autoadmit to the Big 10 if they agreed to equal revenue distribution. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:30 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator Nebraska would have ended up in the Pac 12 if that happened. No biggie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391179) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:38 PM Author: Smoky dopamine Both the Pac 12 and Big 10 would have been an upgrade over the Big 12 from the perspective of revenue sharing, but Nebraska would have left a significant amount of money on the table going with the Pac 12 over the Big 10. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391218) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:41 PM Author: Sickened flushed set Nebraska got paid 60 cents on the dollar for 2011-2016. They definitely got paid less than they would’ve staying in the Big 12, though $51M last year suggests they will catch up quick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391234) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:54 PM Author: Smoky dopamine What AD is making a decision on conferences based solely on the immediate 5 years after joining a conference?
There are several websites that compare the conferences respective revenue distributions to member universities. My point is not debatable. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:55 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge this pumo is eye-watering retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391304) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator I miss the Big 8. I don't care about the majority of teams they play in the Big 10 and miss the traditional rivals. The style of play is much more fun to watch in the Big 12 as well. Watching Frost's offense against Oklahoma would be a blast.
In my ideal future, Nebraska is elevated into a larger super-conference and placed into a regional pod with traditional rivals. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: aromatic forum tattoo I hate it so much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390624) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390647) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge I always see people say that OU can't join a conference without OSU, but I don't know if that's actually true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390636) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria Texas and TAMU parted ways -- don't know why OU and OSU can't. Penn State used to play Pitt every year, a huge rivalry, and realignment killed it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390674) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:25 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge I was sad to see ND's alliance with the ACC kill off a bunch of the traditional match ups. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390714) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Smoky dopamine Texas and TAMU parted ways at the behest of little brother.
I'm sure if OSU desired to part ways with OU, no one would stop OSU, but OSU is not nearly as attractive of a target for conferences as TAMU. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Sickened flushed set If the next realignment kills the Red River Shootout I think it will cause actual, sustained, large-scale physical violence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390731) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge They played the RRS for decades when the teams were in difference conferences (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390746) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: Sickened flushed set I'm aware. It doesn't change the fact that GC hates college football and wants to destroy it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390794) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge UT and OU are completely free to continue playing each other every year regardless of what conference they're in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390819) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: Sickened flushed set Dummy I of course get that. I'm saying that UTTT and OU obviously care more about money than they do about silly little 100 year old traditions that their stupid fans might want to preserve. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390832) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: free-loading rigpig GC is determined to ruin CFB (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390650) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: vivacious principal's office Nothing good. Just increased NFLication and whoring out for more and more revenue until the whole rotten thing collapses in on itself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390653) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator In my mind we are already past the point of no return for the NFLication of CFB. The Big 12 and Big 10 make no sense as currently structured. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390664) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: vivacious principal's office NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma was an absolute disaster
xo Whizzer knew what was coming and tried to warn us, but did we listen? |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:41 PM Author: Smoky dopamine In case anyone is curious about the referenced case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Board_of_Regents_of_the_University_of_Oklahoma |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: vivacious principal's office this is a thread of legal scholars; I naturally assumed we're all up on Sherman Act jurisprudence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390898) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Wonderful mewling karate Dead on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390679) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria The fact that the two semifinal games are not on New Year's Day really blows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390689) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:23 PM Author: Wonderful mewling karate I like that the playoff games are relegated to some other day than New Years Day. Fuck the playoffs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390703) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria Except the Cotton and Orange are now not going to be played on New Year's Day. Anything off of New Year's Day is anticlimactic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390727) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Irradiated stage I blame TTTexas and the Longhorn network for this utter shitshow of realignment last cycle
Thankfully God has seen fit to smite them every year since |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:23 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390699) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: Sickened flushed set All these schools will be whores for Netflix/Hulu/Amazon and some millennial who rides an e-scooter to work everyday will decide that Nebraska should play USC and Notre Dame should play Ohio State because OMG SO RANDOM!
https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/Article/Conference-Re-alignment-future-football-Ohio-State-Texas-Oklahoma-Notre-Dame-Alabama-Michigan-SEC-Pac-12-Big-10-ACC--118642101/ |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge lol this article is dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390732) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:11 PM Author: swashbuckling gay station It's clearly all made up lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391378) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: Smoky dopamine As a Big Ten guy, my conference is already dead. The regularly season blows ass now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390744) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria The downfall started when they took in Penn State, but ljl at Rutgers and Maryland (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390753) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Smoky dopamine As far as expansion goes, it is hard to think of a better fit than Penn State and the Big Ten, though I can appreciate PSU fans' frustration in moving away from their traditional geographic rivals. All of that is a long winded way of saying the addition of PSU didn't bother me all that much.
Giving up games against traditional Big Ten opponents to add Maryland, Rutgers, and Nebraska was a horrible, despicable decision. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: Irradiated stage It was fucking sad when PSU went to the B10 and didn't play Pitt for like 2 decades (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390792) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: Smoky dopamine I can appreciate this PSU perspective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390834) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: aromatic forum tattoo And syracuse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390899) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: aromatic forum tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390896) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator Nebraska made sense because it is one of the T-5 football programs of all time, enabled a CCG, and is a natural potential rival to schools like Iowa and Wisconsin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391030) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:16 PM Author: Smoky dopamine I don't really give a fuck. I would much rather have another game against our traditional league opponents than play Nebraska. This is merely my personal opinion, but it is one expressed by fans across the country (generally, not specific to Nebraska) after league realignment results in changes to their regular season schedule.
If I woke up tomorrow and learned that the Big 10 kicked out Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers, it would be a dream come true, but I know this will never happen.
Also, I don't blame Nebraska the slightest for my sentiments, so don't take my comments as shitting on Nebraska. In my humble opinion, Nebraska is just not a good fit the Big 10, geographically, culturally, or style of play. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator No offense taken. I would rather have Nebraska in the Big 12 and would be happy about this outcome as well. I would prefer Nebraska to be part of an expanded Pac-12 in the Eastern Division with Oklahoma and Colorado over the Big Ten as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391111) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:27 PM Author: Smoky dopamine It's sad that 80% of the fan bases for the relevant teams likely would prefer this arrangement, but it will never happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391165) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator Agreed. Nebraska fans would be thrilled to be in the same division as Oklahoma again in the Pac-16 East, with November road games in Arizona.
Nebraska is more of a Western state than a Midwestern state IMO. The Plains states are very different than the rest of the Midwest. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:40 PM Author: vivacious principal's office loll'ing at the thought of Seward county farm boys shouting out "no worries!" while they munch on fish tacos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391231) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:44 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator There are a shit ton of Nebraska fans in SoCal and Arizona. I regularly see Nebraska gear when I am out in Orange County. Nebraska fans would love it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391251) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:55 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge Arizona/Phoenix is really lousy with Nebraska fans. I was down there recently and got tons of shoutouts with my husker gear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391308) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator Yeah, they are all over the place in Phoenix.I have been stopped at least a half dozen times in OC by former Nebraskans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391362) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:07 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge 180 husker nation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391366) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:13 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator One guy I met at the gym invited me over for a watch party. Both him and his neighbor are from Nebraska. Nebraska fans are never not 180 to meet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391388) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:27 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge do you ever go to any watch sites? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391461) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 7:25 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator I went to my local one in San Clemente, but it was kind of lame. There are a ton of watch sites in SoCal, but I don't know what the best one to go to is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391825) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 9:18 AM Author: vivacious principal's office “Lots of husker fans live in LA” does not mean “Nebraska is a western state. “ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37394425) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator Nebraska is an odd cultural fit for any conference other than a reconstituted Big-8. A Pac-16 that featured and eastern division with traditional rivals like Oklahoma and Colorado is probably the best we could hope for at this point. The fact that the crossover games are in warm places where tons of Nebraska fans either live or want to visit is a big bonus. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of former Nebraskans living in the Phoenix area exceeds any city in Nebraska outside of Omaha and Lincoln.
Nebraska is kind of where the Midwest ends and the West begins. It has cultural traits of both the Midwest and Western (not West Coast) states. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 7:41 AM Author: Thriller adulterous heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37394214) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator Adding Rutgers and Maryland was the stupidest move ever. The conference has gotten so big that some of the teams barely play each other. Nebraska has only played Indiana once since they joined the Big Ten. Oh what a cohesive conference! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390789) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria Even the reasoning was dumb. They wanted to get into East Coast TV markets (DC and NYC), as if anyone in NYC -- or anyone anywhere -- watches Rutgers or DC market is awash in Terps fans (maybe for bball but...) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390831) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: Irradiated stage Well NYC gets the Big 10 network on lower tier cable bc of Rutgers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390836) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:48 PM Author: Smoky dopamine Whether they watch or not is somewhat beside the point given how cable package deals are negotiated. The cost for cable providers to carry the Big Ten Network depends on whether there are any Big Ten markets in the particular cable market area. If a Big Ten market is present, the Big Ten charges substantially more for the Big Ten Network.
If network rights were an efficient market, adding SPS teams shouldn't make much of a difference, but lol at anything remotely related to cable being an efficient market. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria Thanks to you and Drake for explaining it. It should have occurred to me that it had to be something other than eyeballs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390877) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:55 PM Author: Smoky dopamine There is a map floating around somewhere on the net showing what the Big Ten Network charged cable companies. It all makes sense after seeing that map. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390902) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:53 PM Author: Sickened flushed set Even WVU in the Big 12 (which is braindeath levels of dumb) is less bad than Rutgers/UMD. Rutgers happened because they completely flashed in the pan for like a season and a half with one sorta decent coach and UMD murdered their actually lucrative basketball program (and therefore brand for licensing purposes) to make their shit football team a doormat and adopt a permanent welfare approach to their conference membership. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390884) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:57 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge You are absolutely retarded. Not even going to bother explaining to you why Rutgers and Maryland were actually added to the B1G. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390916) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: Odious buff box office fanboi Everyone should be "independent" like Notre Dame. If you want to schedule lots of games against traditional rivals (OK for Texas, SC for Notre Dame, OSU for MI, George for FL), go ahead and do it. Matter of fact, you can pack your schedule with your former conference-mates.
But conference championships are dumb as fuck. Why should a four loss NW team be in the Big 10 championship just because its in the western division, or whatever? Given the play-off, all championship games should be deleted and replaced with a quarterfinal playoff game. Teams go back to 12 games.
Also -- anyone playing FCS schools is prohibited from the playoffs. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria I was just looking up Penn State's schedule from a random year (1983) when they were independent. It made for an interesting schedule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Penn_State_Nittany_Lions_football_team |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:51 PM Author: vivacious principal's office crushingly difficult schedule, then Brown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390874) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria JoePa's alma mater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390879) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:14 PM Author: histrionic theatre filthpig Ivies tried to stay in division I-A after the split in 1978 but were forcibly demoted in 1982. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391059) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: brilliant contagious telephone goal in life The stadium capacity thing destroyed them. Yale could've still qualified at the time iirc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395596) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 12:49 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria I think most of the teams could have met the requirement. The schools just didn't really fit with division I any more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395688) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Smoky dopamine The Big Ten held out against the stupidity of conference championships for as long as possible, but it eventually succumbed to the idiocy, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37390880) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: black well-lubricated plaza boistinker "I think the most likely long-term move is the top 25-35 schools that actually bring in ratings break off and form their own league while keeping traditional conferences for the other sports."
I've always advocated for a euro-style relegation system. I do think we're headed in that direction. It's become more of a winner-take-all system with fewer and fewer schools able to draw decent attendance and make money while a select few see growing profits. |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: Smoky dopamine lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391185) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:34 PM Author: vivacious principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391198) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:37 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391213) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 5:16 PM Author: vivacious principal's office yeah and that's an extraordinarily shitty outcome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37391073) |
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Date: December 11th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: multi-colored pocket flask Real intellectual discussion here guys.
The actual answer is that realignment happens if and when the SEC says it does. Every other conference is cucked out and watered down now. The SEC knows it's big and shows it's big every year. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge except that's not how it went down at all during the last round of conference re-alignment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37394544) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:23 AM Author: Thriller adulterous heaven Lol at ALPHA SEC bros bragging about adding shitty Mizzou. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395046) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator At least Missouri and A&M made sense as conference members unlike some of the other conferences moves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395586) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 9:55 AM Author: brilliant contagious telephone goal in life IVY NUMBAH ONE IN FCS!
(but srsly it was recently ranked as best in FCS by some statfags but we'll never know until they actually start playing in the playoffs)
The FBS realignment is turning it into some NFL level of ((GC)) and it's gay as fuck
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: Wonderful mewling karate There is a lot to be said for FCS football. I prefer FCS on a variety of levels. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37394906) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37394912) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: brilliant contagious telephone goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37394952) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: Pea-brained Messiness Black Woman if you're a fan of sport and competition, there is a lot to be said in general for levels of sport below the top tier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395015) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:43 AM Author: Wonderful mewling karate I have Citadel season tickets and I have a parking spot with my name on it about 150 yards from the ticket gates. I go with my little girl, it's not too crowded, it's not expensive, and I spend the entire day at the stadium. After the game, we go on the field and talk to the players.
We get 10-15k per game. The traffic isn't bad. There's no bathroom lines. Food is not horribly expensive. I pull into my spot and I'm less than 5 minutes from my seat, which is 9th row, 40 yard line, home side. If my girl has to go to the bathroom or my baby need a change, it's simple to get out.
Best of the deal is they sell beer at the stadium, and it was actually open bar in the end zone for season ticket holders at the last game. I had as much Gran Marnier as I wanted while watching the 'Dogs take it to the dreaded butt-pirates of CSU. Great, great game.
I always see a dozen people I know. My little girl always has a good time, there are never drunk trash cussing or fighting in the stands. The entire event is comfortable.
The football is exciting, almost all the games are televised.
I go to Clemson games or USC games, and they're fun, but I greatly prefer my Citadel games. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:46 AM Author: vivacious principal's office honestly this sounds much better than the average fan experience at my SEC school.
except that you get those few times a year when it's all on the line, 100,000 all screaming at once, the concrete is literally shaking under you - it simply cannot be replicated. But, that only happens a few times a year |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: Wonderful mewling karate I went to Clemson Notre Dame a few years ago at Clemson, and it was amazing. However, on a week on week off experience, I wouldn't trade these games for anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395257) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: brilliant contagious telephone goal in life I had so much more fun at H-Y tailgates than at Oregon games (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395300) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Pea-brained Messiness Black Woman Yep.
I am a big wrestling fan and I always tell other wrestling fans to be careful what the wish for in terms of popularity.
I used to go to the New York Athletic Club's holiday wrestling tournament (for ex college wrestlers and Olympic hopefuls) and it was great. I'd literally sit right on the mat and watch national champions and world medalists, and I'd talk with guys who were Olympic champions.
No pretense, no fuss, no feeling like I was getting squeezed for every last buck. Just competition and camaraderie. |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria Similar -- I have season tickets for an FCS squad. Tailgate 4 hours before the game. Now if only my team could bring back its tradition of actually winning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395284) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Drab Stirring Indian Lodge idk, I'd still rather go to Husker games (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395580) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 12:44 PM Author: galvanic market masturbator Muscadine went to Citadel, so I can see why he prefers FCS. But the atmosphere at a Nebraska game or a top SEC game is hard to beat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395648) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 1:57 PM Author: Wonderful mewling karate Yea man, that's true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37396092) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Charcoal philosopher-king national the aesthetics of this pumo made me read this as a jjc "chirr white blo" fantasy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395704) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria I think it is Muscadine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395811) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: Wonderful mewling karate It is. I hate that I got stuck as a pumo in the great moniker freeze. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395951) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 1:37 PM Author: Vigorous lake school cafeteria My old moniker was Tubby Raymond -- my FCS allegiance should be clear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37395985) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 2:00 PM Author: Wonderful mewling karate Our schools had a pretty good series in the early 2000's (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4154028&forum_id=2#37396118) |