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🚨 OFFICIAL 2019 BASEBALL HOF INDUCTION THREAD 🚨
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 1:58 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station Festivities start at 6pm on the MLB Network
https://www.mlb.com/video/hof-election-announcement/c-2522057783 |
Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:08 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641421) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:09 PM Author: massive principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641426) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:13 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station @NotMrTibbs guessing there will be 412 ballots
If that is correct, Moose will need 66 2/3% of the remaining 183 ballots to get elected. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:14 PM Author: Provocative Chapel Nellie Fox missed by 2 votes in 1985. Can Moose break that record? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641460) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:15 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station i really hate for anyone to get between 70 and 74.99%
Psychologically once someone gets to 70% it feels like they should just go in. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:16 PM Author: massive principal's office is there a list of final-ballot 70-74.99% guys? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641478) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:19 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station idk. you'd have to look. probably not easy to find that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641504) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:20 PM Author: massive principal's office i looked but couldnt find. im sure some dork has a spreadsheet w all this that would make it easy to sort by 15th (10th) yr guys and then sort by vote (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641519) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:25 PM Author: Provocative Chapel Forgot Biggio missed by 2 votes too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641549) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:30 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station i remember that now. brutal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641599) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:32 PM Author: massive principal's office that next year must be so stressful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641614) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:35 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station agree.
after all of his near-misses, Moose deserves this. don't make him wait another year for no reason. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:15 PM Author: massive principal's office what's the narrowest IN by votes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641473) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:18 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Baseball_Hall_of_Fame
if you sort, looks like Al Simmons at 75.38%
if they have 412 ballots as predicted that % would be between 310 and 311 votes. 309 would be 75% on the nose |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:20 PM Author: massive principal's office ty.
simmmons got 199 votes. 198 was the minimum. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:28 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station i did a quick calculation assuming they are right about 412 ballots
if Moose can hold his % through 75% of the ballot (and note that last year he was only -0.9% off for all public ballots (~75%) as opposed to the pre-announcement number), then he will need 57 votes out of the remaining 103, or 55.34%, to hit 75%
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxhWIXTU0AA0E7a.jpg:large
last year he had 46.7% on private ballots, so he'd need to do about 9% better. certainly possible.
the other thing i thought of -- with all the hoopla around Rivera poss being unanimous, i wonder if a few small hall guys abstain so as to avoid being the guy who prevented Rivera from being unanimous. that could help Moose. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:31 PM Author: massive principal's office hmmm...no reason to think he does 9% better on private ballots than last yr, but i suppose possible.
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:34 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station >> It’s also worth noting that players who have been in the 80% range have seen the differential between their pre-announcement and final share shrink. After drops of 6.7%, 6.3%, and 5.6% the year before they were each elected, Jeff Bagwell, Mike Piazza, and Raines saw their final shares decrease by only 1.4%, 3.3%, and 2.8% when they crossed 75%. If Mussina’s gap shrinks, that would help a lot. <<
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/hof-announcement-day-what-to-watch/ |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:43 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station Mussina just got an add from a no-voter last year! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641690) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:50 PM Author: Provocative Chapel Thinking he gets 75% on the dot.
Also think Mo will be unanimous. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:52 PM Author: massive principal's office someone will NO mo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641746) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:57 PM Author: misunderstood concupiscible mood Didn’t some douchebag in Maine already say he was no on mo because he doesn’t believe in the save stat or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641789) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:59 PM Author: massive principal's office that's retarded. voting no to prevent him from being unanimous *might* be justified (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641798) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:02 PM Author: Yapping mildly autistic plaza twinkling uncleanness i just don't think of all the people ever in the HOF, there should be one dude that's unanimous and it's Rivera (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641827) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:21 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station I agree with you, and I'm a huge Rivera fan. I think there's enough precedent out there to make unanimity a unicorn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641957) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:59 PM Author: misunderstood concupiscible mood https://www.telegram.com/news/20181222/bill-ballou-mariano-rivera-not-getting-this-writers-hall-of-fame-vote (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641797) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:00 PM Author: Provocative Chapel He recanted and voted for Mo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641802) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:01 PM Author: misunderstood concupiscible mood What do you think of this woman’s logic:
Christina Kahrl
Voted for (10): Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Roy Halladay, Edgar Martinez, Mike Mussina, Mariano Rivera, Scott Rolen, Gary Sheffield, Sammy Sosa, Larry Walker
There were several tough decisions, all created by the problem with cutting down to 10, because there's more than 10 guys on the ballot who belong. Probably the most controversial thing I considered was dropping Mariano Rivera -- he's a slam-dunk Hall of Famer who didn't need my vote to get in, and I would rather have guaranteed that guys like Sosa, Sheffield and Andruw Jones were on the ballot in the years to come. Because of the rule of 10, any vote for someone hurts everyone you don't vote for, risking their elimination. But I also didn't want to deal with the inevitable "You didn't vote for Mo!" hysteria, since that's what people would have gotten hung up on, not the continuing problem of limiting voters' ballots to 10 names. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:03 PM Author: massive principal's office very logical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641830) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:04 PM Author: Yapping mildly autistic plaza twinkling uncleanness in other words, there's a HIGH likelihood that a tranny's transition will be the reason Rivera is unanimous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641839) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:01 PM Author: massive principal's office hmm, unsubmitted ballot
Rivera could be the first Hall of Famer elected unanimously. I think I’m right about closers, but not so much that I would deny Rivera a chance to be the first unanimous Hall of Famer.
Thus, I’m not voting this year. A submitted blank ballot is “no” vote for every candidate, so I’m doing a Switzerland and not sending one at all. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:22 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station as i mentioned, I think this helps Mussina (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641960) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:20 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station I think Mo will be above Griffey but not unanimous, meaning he loses 1-2 votes
Mussina will be between 73.5 and 76% imo |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:47 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station With 230 ballots revealed/~55.8% of the vote known:
Rivera - 100% Halladay - 92.6% Edgar - 89.6% Mussina - 81.7%
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Clemens - 71.3% Bonds - 70.9% Schilling - 70.0% Walker - 66.1% McGriff - 39.1% Vizquel - 37.8% Manny - 25.7% Rolen - 20.9% Helton - 17.8% |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:53 PM Author: excitant property messiness Which asshole is going to leave off Rivera so they can do a lengthy explanation screed tomorrow in their regional paper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641759) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 4:59 PM Author: misunderstood concupiscible mood https://www.telegram.com/news/20181222/bill-ballou-mariano-rivera-not-getting-this-writers-hall-of-fame-vote
Edit: changed his mind
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/01/22/the-one-known-mariano-rivera-hall-holdout-shamed-into-mind-change/amp/ |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:01 PM Author: Provocative Chapel I don’t think the three no’s on Ken Griffey Jr ever came forward.
It’s somewhat defensible to leave him off if you vote for 10. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:02 PM Author: Bat shit crazy goal in life hopefully quite a few (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641822) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:10 PM Author: Godawful fluffy kitchen This is crazy. Mo should NOT get in!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37641867) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:43 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station (Future David Ortiz voter from Boston) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642142) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:56 PM Author: Godawful fluffy kitchen https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/vaughmo01.shtml
Very good solid MLB career including a couple years where he was one of the best, but not HOF sustained production |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:35 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station Final Predictions
https://twitter.com/Rosscarey/status/1087826284988772352 (Moose 73.5%)
https://twitter.com/sarsdell/status/1087838462655516672 (Moose 75.5%)
https://twitter.com/Porlos411/status/1087838652321988615 (Moose 74.0%)
https://twitter.com/baseballot/status/1087843861605560321 (Moose 74.8%)
https://www.cooperstowncred.com/2019-hall-of-fame-projected-vote/ (Moose 72.6%) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:52 PM Author: massive principal's office one in, four out. not looking good. any reason to think 1 guy gets it right over 4 guys? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642225) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:53 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station he is the one with the longest tenure of predictions
and to be fair 74.8% is a coin flip. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:56 PM Author: cream trailer park quadroon ROCK HARD (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642251) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 5:57 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station HOLY SHIT HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642258) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:02 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station MLB NETWORK PANEL PREDICTS 4 INDUCTEES (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642294) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:04 PM Author: massive principal's office based on what? boomer "analysis"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642318) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:05 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station ha idk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642320) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:03 PM Author: excitant property messiness https://youtu.be/e3tyEdTtY-E (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642298) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:04 PM Author: Bat shit crazy goal in life mo has said edgar is the best hitter he ever faced (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642309) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:05 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station GAMMONS PREDICTS 4 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642324) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:06 PM Author: misunderstood concupiscible mood Can’t believe he is still alive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642327) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:06 PM Author: massive principal's office could any of these 4 boomer "analysts" explain the mathematical models making the predictions, on even the most basic levels (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642333) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:08 PM Author: Bat shit crazy goal in life very simple 2 factor analysis: ribbies and wins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642344) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:10 PM Author: massive principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642359) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:08 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station lol panel saying Baines' induction creates an enormous backlog of deserving inductees by the veterans committee (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642340) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:13 PM Author: misunderstood concupiscible mood Baines is up there as one of the worst picks of all time
I looked up his stats - is it possible he didn’t have a single season in the top ten for WAR?
How did this happen? |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:14 PM Author: Yapping mildly autistic plaza twinkling uncleanness the veterans committee should be firebombed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642380) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:15 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station 134 hits from 3000
i did a detailed thread on how 2 strikes basically prevented him from hitting 3000, which is kinda crazy
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4138306&mc=38&forum_id=2 |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:08 PM Author: massive principal's office this "analysis" is totally retarded. one guy said larry walker should be in the HOF bc he's the GOAT of one of 30 teams. i barely watch tv anymore w sound. amazing how retarded this shit is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642345) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:13 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station (Todd Helton) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642379) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 7:55 AM Author: Up-to-no-good Mind-boggling Cumskin Background Story Larry Walker deserves it more than Mussina. Mussina was never a dominant player, just good for a long time. Not HOF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37645905) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:10 PM Author: massive principal's office this whole thing is GC fraudlies. what time is the real announcement? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642357) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:14 PM Author: massive principal's office wtf is going on now? moose was featured in a vid. does that mean he's in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642385) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:15 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station LET'S GO MOOSE!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642389) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:15 PM Author: Pale market halford who fucking cares? bb hof jerk off faggots are the most annoying in all of sport (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642391) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:16 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station ERNST & YOUNG VERIFIED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642394) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:17 PM Author: massive principal's office wtf this dude is speaking spic! EDGAR is in. mussina must be out, if they're going lowest to highest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642404) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:17 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station wtf is this spic announcement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642405) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:17 PM Author: Bat shit crazy goal in life trumps america (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642408) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:17 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station EDGAR MARTINEZ IS A HALL OF FAMER (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642409) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:18 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station ROY HALLADAY IS A HALL OF FAMER (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642412) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:18 PM Author: massive principal's office HALLIDAY in. definitely going lowest to highest. MOOSE IS OUT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642413) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:19 PM Author: Bat shit crazy goal in life ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642418) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:19 PM Author: massive principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642421) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:19 PM Author: massive principal's office MUSSINA IS IN!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642417) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:21 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station WOOOOO WE DID IT!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642435) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:21 PM Author: massive principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642437) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:19 PM Author: massive principal's office jfc more spic for MO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642424) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:20 PM Author: Yapping mildly autistic plaza twinkling uncleanness this is so awful, if you don't speak it don't do it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642426) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:21 PM Author: massive principal's office heard him speaking about sandman in between spic and thought it was about maga teens (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642429) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:21 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station MIKE MUSSINA IS A HALL OF FAMER (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642431) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:21 PM Author: Bat shit crazy goal in life just put up a graphic with the vote you self important fucking douchebags (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642434) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:22 PM Author: massive principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642440) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:21 PM Author: massive principal's office MO IS UNANIMOUS 100% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642436) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:21 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station MARIANO RIVERA UNANIMOUS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642438) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:22 PM Author: massive principal's office 76.7 for moose
85.4 for both edgar and doc |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:23 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station Wow Moose higher than I thought and Halladay lower (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642449) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:25 PM Author: massive principal's office moose shattered the market, passed all 5 models. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642463) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:23 PM Author: massive principal's office schilling at 60.9 (+9 from 2018)...he'll get in eventually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642447) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:25 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station he 100% should be in. it's a joke that he's not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642462) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:27 PM Author: Vivacious henna foreskin psychic Shitlibs vote. He's too outspoken for MAGA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642476) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:24 PM Author: massive principal's office steroid guys all not showing much movement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642454) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:26 PM Author: massive principal's office nate silver sucking cock @ PABT, gets MOOSE wrong
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/we-built-a-polling-model-for-the-baseball-hall-of-fame/ |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:53 PM Author: Provocative Chapel 425 ballots cast vs 412 estimated too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642591) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:27 PM Author: Slippery newt *Raises hands to mouth*
“EDDDDDGARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR” |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 6:33 PM Author: ruddy bipolar library Glad Edgar made it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37642492) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:26 PM Author: snowy impressive queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643591) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:32 PM Author: outnumbered elastic band masturbator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643635) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:40 PM Author: Primrose garrison legend What's the argument for Mussina getting in? I'm not a huge baseballmo but his stats don't seem that impressive. is it because he pitched during the steroid era? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643697) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:42 PM Author: massive principal's office tl;dr: non-traditional advanced stats make him look much better than traditionals stats do. played half his career on an awful orioles team and didnt rack up as many wins as he could have if he played on a better team. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643712) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:45 PM Author: Provocative Chapel More than that - he pitched in a high scoring era, in a high scoring division, so his ERA reflects that. He was also a step down from some of his contemporaries (Johnson, Pedro, Maddox, etc).
He also should have won the CY Young in 2001 - compare his non-advanced stats with Clemens (other than w/l) - no way Clemens wins with today’s voters.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2001.shtml |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:50 PM Author: Primrose garrison legend jesus did they just care about wins back then or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643770) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:54 PM Author: cerise site who is the shithead who voted fro CC Sabathia over Ichiro for ROY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643804) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:55 PM Author: massive principal's office maybe someone didn't think ichiro is properly a "rookie" which is a not unreasonable position (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643810) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:56 PM Author: cerise site It's a very unreasonable position. NPB is a big step below MLB standards. It was his first year at the highest level, he was a rookie, that's all there is to it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643823) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:00 PM Author: massive principal's office yeah NPB is a big step below, but i think reasonable ppl could disagree that a 30yo asian superstar is different than a young kid who is a true "rookie"
i think if he's eligible as a rookie, you vote for the best guy and don't rewrite the rules yourself. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:06 PM Author: cerise site i think it's not materially different than if some guy was putting up legendary numbers in AAA for a while then came up to MLB and had a great year. He's still a rookie even if he was at a lower level for longer than usual.
Tons of people were convinced Ichiro wouldn't translate to the US because of stupid ideas that Asians can't hit or play in the field. I can't fathom not voting for him for ROY |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:07 PM Author: massive principal's office no guy would be putting up legendary numbers in AAA for a decade
just saying i can see justification for a rule change that guys from foreign leagues over a certain age arent eligible for ROY, but if any rookie is a rookie, ichiro deserved it then. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:11 PM Author: Primrose garrison legend see e.g. shelley duncan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643919) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:12 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station I agree with this
It would be like if a top European league guy came over to MLS at age 32. Is he a rookie? |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:15 PM Author: cerise site thats completely different since it's a huge step down. it would be like going from MLB to AA.
There is worldwide consensus that there is no league as good as MLB, thus your first year tested in that environment is a true 'rookie' year, regardless of how well you did in Korea, Japan, Taiwan or wherever |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 11:50 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station So whether one is a rookie or not depends on your personal value judgement of a league? Don't use minor leagues as they are part of the MLB system.
If a great player in the Turkish league moves to La Liga is he a rookie? How about Serie A to EPL? How about the league in the Netherlands to the top German league?
Is a NASCAR champion who goes to Formula 1 a rookie? How about vice versa? Can we say that's different than going from Formula 3 to Formula 1? |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 1:10 AM Author: cerise site i dont think these are comparable. American sports are unique in that the American leagues for the sports are undisputably the top tier. Soccer is equally popular all across Europe so its more difficult to compare leagues. UEFA gives an award for best young player on the continent, which kind of obviates the need or value of a 'rookie of the year' type award in each league. In fact, the whole 'rookie of the year' concept is unique to American sports. Elsewhere in the world, the focus is solely on age for those types of awards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37645407) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 9:22 AM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station just admit that you are using the term "rookie" inconsistently, at least as it relates to playing in a top professional league.
i don't particularly mind which definition is used, but it should be consistent. |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 9:49 PM Author: cerise site im not using it inconsistently. the word isnt used at all in european soccer anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37664791) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:16 PM Author: Primrose garrison legend thats like the opposite (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643966) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:23 PM Author: Provocative Chapel Ohio voter picked Sabathia.
Sabathia got one first-place vote, from Chris Assenheimer of the Chronicle-Telegram in Elyria, Ohio.
"I just felt that Sabathia better met the criteria of what a rookie is in the truest sense of the word," said Assenheimer, who was surprised he was the only voter not to have Suzuki No. 1 on his ballot. "That's nothing against Ichiro."
Sabathia disagreed with that view and thought Suzuki was the top rookie.
"The award is for first-year players in the big leagues, and he's definitely deserving of it," he said. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:42 PM Author: cerise site Ty what an assfaggot. Good on cc for the correct view (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37644202) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:44 PM Author: cerise site Wow this is 120 as fuck. Edgar and Mussina? Fuck that. Also Mariano unanimous but Griffey not? Fuck these FRAUD voters.
HOF can suck a dick until Bonds is in anyway |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:45 PM Author: Primrose garrison legend Yeah Mussina doesn't seem like he should be in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643742) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:52 PM Author: cerise site Exactly. He was above average for a very long time. That is not what a "Hall of Fame" player is to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643793) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:55 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station Well above average for a very long time IS elite bro. The group of players who have done that is shockingly small. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643811) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:05 PM Author: Primrose garrison legend greatness to me needs more than longevity + pretty good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643876) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 5:07 AM Author: Nudist set community account Baseball HOF is rapidly becoming less prestigious. 20 years ago - even 10 years ago - Mussina is classic "Hall of Very Good" material.
Part of his candidacy is being a Yankee though. If he played for the Orioles his entire career, he'd prob still be out. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:47 PM Author: Provocative Chapel Have you ever been to Cooperstown? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643756) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:52 PM Author: cerise site Yes, its awesome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643787) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 9:55 PM Author: jet-lagged coffee pot legit stunned that mariano got unanimous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37643812) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:28 PM Author: misunderstood concupiscible mood It's a reflection of the world of twitter. See above the ESPN woman who wanted to vote against him but didn't because of fear of twitter wrath. Also that boston writer who initially said he would vote no but then got twitter shamed.
If griffey were up now he would have been unanimous. |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:29 PM Author: massive principal's office people can cast anonymous ballots tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37644073) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:30 PM Author: crusty ticket booth Women love attention (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37644079) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:32 PM Author: massive principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37644093) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:50 PM Author: Provocative Chapel Like does no one know Christina Kahrl is a tranny? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37644275) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:48 PM Author: misunderstood concupiscible mood True but most don’t. They want to write about how they voted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37644257) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 3:24 AM Author: jet-lagged coffee pot of 425 voters you'd figure there would be at least one stodgy old dood who'd hold out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37645654) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 3:31 AM Author: cerise site wasnt there one dood who always does a blank ballot, but he fagged out this year so he didnt cost mariano unanimous? what a dick that guy is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37645660) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 3:36 AM Author: jet-lagged coffee pot according to this if you submit a blank ballot it counts as a "no" vote for everyone but if you don't submit it you're not counted in the tally
i think murray chass submitted a blank ballot one year but don't think he does every year. would probably get his vote revoked by bbwaa pearl-clutchers |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 3:51 AM Author: cerise site yeah ok this is what i was thinking of. FUCK this guy for not submitting his ballot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37645668) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:39 PM Author: Slippery newt Edgar is a lock HOFer, don’t be a fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37644175) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:47 PM Author: Bat shit crazy goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37644243) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:44 PM Author: Vivacious henna foreskin psychic How was Maddux NOT unanimous ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37644215) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:54 PM Author: Provocative Chapel 12 people from 2014 ballot now in HOF (Smith and Morris got in via Veterans commmittee).
Biggio missed.m by two votes. Schilling, Bonds, Clemens also on ballot.
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 9:23 AM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station Agreed I think that is pretty shocking. He's not even in the top 10 all time by %. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37646129) |
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Date: January 22nd, 2019 10:47 PM Author: Bat shit crazy goal in life (guy totally okay with glavine going in first ballot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37644240) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 9:26 AM Author: misunderstood concupiscible mood Separate topic - does the HOF even matter now that Harold Baines is in there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37646134) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 9:40 AM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station well, he got in via the Veterans Committee, which isn't really the same thing as being elected by the BBWAA. it's sorta like the difference between a HUG degree and some far less competitive Harvard masters.
however, i agree that guys like Baines cause a problem because people invariably start comparing candidates to Baines. literally this morning on MLB network someone was talking about Walker's candidacy and mentioned Baines as one of many comparisons. to me that is a huge problem. for purposes of the BBWAA vote, since Baines never got more that 6.1% of the vote, he should not even come up in discussions regarding players who are up for BBWAA election. those players should only be compared to players similarly elected.
where Baines WILL become a problem is in the Veterans committee. Think about how many players compare favorably to Baines and should now be locks to get in via the VC. Mattingly, Dale Murphy, McGriff, Pettitte -- i mean hell, outside of the hits counting stat, Bernie Williams was probably a much better player, and i don't think he belongs in the Hall by any stretch |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 10:57 AM Author: massive principal's office 180 if mattingly, pettitte and bernie get in via the VC. totally undeserving but it would be 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37646671) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 11:41 AM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station how would you rank the 3 in terms of how deserving they are of a hall nod?
i'd say Pettitte, Mattingly, Bernie |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 4:19 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station When they have video of guys getting "the call" has the Hall already told them it's coming? Are there any guys who are close that had cameras come to their house and wait all day only to not get the call? Like when Craig Biggio got 74.8%? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37649044) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 4:23 PM Author: massive principal's office rofl they should do this with biglaw partner announcements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37649064) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 4:23 PM Author: Slippery newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37649073) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 4:24 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station cameras milling around senior associates' offices the Friday before Thanksgiving as they wait for the call from the Managing Partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37649077) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 4:29 PM Author: massive principal's office jake silverberg tensely trying to edit a 12(b)(6) motion, and just can't concentrate and takes his 6th coffee break of the morning at 11am (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37649105) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 4:59 PM Author: Nudist set community account Senior associates fasting for a week before so they have plenty of room to gorge themselves during breakfast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37649280) |
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Date: January 25th, 2019 7:59 PM Author: Bat shit crazy goal in life no team for moose https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/1088890718251372544?s=21 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#37664230) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2019 1:33 PM Author: fear-inspiring gay gas station REMINDER: We got Moose in! Gets inducted in fewer than 3 weeks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4183914&forum_id=2#38473436) |
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