Lawman8: Ilhan Omar is not your friend
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Date: July 18th, 2019 9:12 AM Author: Outnumbered Exciting School Hairy Legs
Wake up, my man. Even if you two have a common enemy, she has nothing but hate in her heart for our country. If Ilhan Omar could snap her fingers and destroy our entire heritage, she would. If she could snap her fingers and turn the U.S. into Somalia, she would.
Opposing Israel is not worth an alliance with the likes of scum like Omar.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550152) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 9:50 AM Author: bearded adulterous range
People like you and Lawman should just come out and say you don't like Jews or Israel either, and this is the main reason you agree with her. Lawman tiptoes around his own anti-Semitism, uses (((parentheses))) but won't just come out and say how he really feels about Jews. He uses AIPAC or Israel as proxies for "jews", as many anti-Semites do.
Israel is indeed the only democratic, westernized, free/open nation in the Middle East. It's generally a horrible neighborhood rife with ethnic conflict and religious extremism. Its extremism has spread across the world. You blame Israel, that's fine, but all the Islamic terror attacks across the world for decades aren't because of Israel. They hate Israel and Jews, to be sure, but the riots after the Danish cartoons and the Charlie Hebdo shooting or the shooting at the Bataclan, or take your pick, are not because of American policies in Israel or Israel's existence. We are a common enemy.
I'm all for discussion about the influence of lobbyists. I also think AIPAC doesn't do enough to represent the views of all Jewish Americans, or mainstream Jewish American views, who are more critical of specific Israeli policies, but reflect the interests of the wealthy and powerful Jews who provide a lot of its funding.
The hyperfocus on it is where I begin to question why it's being brought up and the fact that you and Lawman so willingly and readily align with Omar and suddenly excuse her obvious hate and bias due to her background, is only because you share these feelings with her. Why else would Lawman put aside his hate of the Left, which he hates so much he quotes the Unabomber's quotes about the left, to align with a radical Muslism leftist? Because he dislikes Jews as much as she does.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550301) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 10:12 AM Author: bearded adulterous range
Negative how exactly? I mean it's fine if this is your point of view, but how is Israel a "negative influence" ?
You realize we give just as much military aid to countries openly hostile to us like Egypt or Afghanistan as to Israel, yet no one here is bitching about billions going to Egypt or calling Egyptians "parasites". Yet the Jews are always parasites, or vermin, or rats, or whatever the case may be.
There are many clear and obvious reasons why Israel is a natural ally of the United States, as there are for many allies of the United States. Why does a country even have allies? And it's not based on coercion or resources, like it is with Saudi Arabia. A close ally, despite the fact that Saudis knocked down the twin towers and dismember journalists who oppose them. Hmmmm.
And disenfranchisement of Palestinians? Lmao. Israel is 20 percent Arab and has Arabs in their parliament. How many Jews are in any Muslim country's parliament? More Arabs would enjoy living in Israel than most other places in the Middle East. They're actually free there.
But, those damned parasitic Jews!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550442) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 10:18 AM Author: Drab Idiot
How is the al-Sisi government "openly hostile" to us? You have no idea what youre talking about
Israel is a clear negative influence by agitating for us to take part in foreign wars, and in actions short of war, which do not benefit America. Our support for Israel also makes us a target for people with a grievance against Israel.
OK, how many Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza get to vote in Israeli elections? Can't run an apartheid state and claim its 'democratic'. House Palestinians in Israeli Parliament are no different than Jews in Iranian Parliament taking their designated seat, knowing they'll never have any influence on policy
LOL at your last sentence, typical mudslinging, my comments are criticizing ISRAEL but you again try to make it as something against all Jews. No one has said "parasitic Jews" other than you. You are so fucking dishonest in these arguments.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550477)
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Date: July 18th, 2019 10:41 AM Author: bearded adulterous range
Holy fuck, you are retarded.
Forget the government, I'm just speaking culturally. The Muslim Brotherhood proliferated in Egypt. Egyptian Muslims regularly murder coptic Christians for only one reason - because they are Christian. Yes, they're anti-Christian. The equivalent would be Israel regularly slaughtering Israeli Christians or bombing Israeli Christian churches. The Copts are under near constant attack in Egypt. In Afghanistan, the situation under the Taliban is even more dire.
Israel may agitate for wars, it certainly has enemies, and many of our enemies overlap. Islamic extremism is an enemy to all of us. And America has never had any problems involving itself in costly, pointless wars without any help or influence, especially from Israel. Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Iraq.
For the record, I was against and have always been against the Iraq War - it was a blunder for the ages.
And our support for Israel makes us a target??? LMAO Great, let's just stop supporting France because of Charlie Hebdo and their hijab ban, let's not support Denmark because they make offensive Mohammed cartoons, let's abandon all of our allies because some people hate them! You sound like a fucking moron.
The Palestinians in Gaza are run by a terrorist organization that seeks the elimination of Israel and regularly fires rockets into its territory, sometimes 100s at a time. Israel could wipe out the entirety of Gaza, right now. If Mexico fired dozens of rockets every day into Texas, because they believe texas was Mexican territory, what would the response be from the United States? I feel terribly for the Gazans who suffer under the brutality of Hamas (funded in large part by Iran) but this is territory Israel willingly gave up for them and look how they are paid back.
Finally, yes, anti "Zionism" is now the way to be anti-Semitic and anti-Israel all at once. It's all couched together and has been for some time. No one really cares about the "liberation" of the Palestinians. They want to see the end of Israel. It's how you can say "jews are parasites" by saying they "act parasitically" as if there is an appreciable difference.
I won't say something faggoty like delete your account, because I enjoy having this debate with you, but holy fuck you are so off on so much of this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550610) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 11:57 AM Author: Frum coiffed blood rage nursing home
"jews are funny, but they are parasites"
That was your initial response. Its deceptive.
Characterizing the US/Israel relationship as parasitic also doesnt seem anti-semitic.
This guy summed it up well:
"It says it all that you equate criticism of Israel as "anti Zionism" and then anti Zionism to anti Semitism. This is a huge stretch of logic either driven by unhinged emotion or cynical attempts at manipulation"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38551070) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 12:00 PM Author: bearded adulterous range
Characterizing the US/Israel relationship as parasitic also doesnt seem anti-semitic.
Characterizing the US/Israel relationship as parasitic also doesnt seem anti-semitic.
Characterizing the US/Israel relationship as parasitic also doesnt seem anti-semitic.
Characterizing the US/Israel relationship as parasitic also doesnt seem anti-semitic.
Characterizing the US/Israel relationship as parasitic also doesnt seem anti-semitic.
Characterizing the US/Israel relationship as parasitic also doesnt seem anti-semitic.
https://stream.org/jews-as-parasites-and-jews-as-termites-from-the-nazis-to-farrakhan/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38551083) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 10:10 AM Author: naked submissive senate
the term "anti-semitic" had already lost all meaning like 150 years ago. it is meaningless to call someone an anti-semite, because normal people have one definition of the word, while jews have another one
lawman and every other "anti-semite," myself included, dislike jews because of their consistent pattern of undesirable actions, not "because they are jews." this is similar to why people generally dislike blacks because of their consistent pattern of undesirable actions, not "because they are black"
it wouldn't matter if jews orchestrated a nuclear holocaust wiping out 99% of earth's population - you'd still call people "anti-semitic" for speaking out against jews. the term is meaningless
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550431) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 10:30 AM Author: bearded adulterous range
I don't deny the term can be misused or applied when it is not appropriate. I am talking specifically about the special case of Lawman8 not having the balls to be honest about how he feels. The way he comically tap dances around the issue of how he feels about (((them))) is pathetic and then to watch him accuse me of deception in the same breath is laughable.
Additionally, anti-Semitism, the real and genuine kind, has often been mixed with what is now called "anti-Zionism". It's a way Jew haters can have their cake and eat it, too.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550543) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 12:42 PM Author: hot corner
The problem with German occupation of Ukraine and Western Russia was that the administrators and governors overseeing these eastern provinces were very corrupt and often extremely cruel. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Koch
Many of the peoples in Ukraine and western Russia saw the Germans as liberators against their Judeo-Bolsheviks oppressors. Unfortunately for the German war effort, the SS and Nazi Party stooges enacted extreme acts of cruelty upon the populations they encountered. And really by 1943, the populations had turned on the Germans and began massive guerrilla campaigns against German supply lines. As you know, the territory was vast, and there's no way the Germans could successfully maintain their extended supply lines and logistical support for the front when you have 40 million Ukrainians who are extremely pissed at you and have nothing to lose. It was a major oversight blunder by the Nazi leadership, specifically Hitler. For instance, many Wehrmacht and other officials pleaded with Hitler to remove officials like Erich Koch because they were inadvertently sabotaging the war effort by their acts of cruelty, turned millions of people against the Germans, who were previously viewed as liberators. Hitler listened to these pleas as they came in, but ultimately dismissed them because he had a war to win and was solely focused on crushing the Soviets militarily, not realizing the long term consequences of what these Gauleiter (governors) were inflicting upon the war effort. Hitler was so tunnel visioned with defeating the Soviets he simply didn't care about anything else and just told his subordinates to figure it out. Eventually, all the peoples of the east turned on the Germans and it became a nightmare logistically. Simply put, there was no chance in hell the Germans could have defeated the Soviets without the support of the local populations.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38551325) |
Date: July 18th, 2019 9:40 AM Author: Crimson patrolman
OP, this is not true, though I am open to being convinced. What is the evidence that she hates America etc.? Do you just look at a brown (and/or muslim) person and automatically ASSUME they hate America?
I am not a fan of seeing hijabs either. But how do you take that and jump to the conclusion that she wants to destroy America? This is not Ahmed the taxi cab driver. This is a Congressman.
JQ is a huge problem in the US and West generally. Our entire way of life is influenced by it. It needs to be addressed. You don't have to like her. But some of the issues she has raised are fundamental.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550257) |
Date: July 18th, 2019 9:52 AM Author: Outnumbered Exciting School Hairy Legs
Omar’s “criticism” of Israel is the “criticism” of a 90 IQ Somali who has imported her tribal hatreds from Somalia into our country. It is not based on any well-reasoned position. Rather, it is based on a 90 IQ understanding of “Israel bad” in the same way that she believes “female genital mutilation good” and “ISIS misunderstood”. Omar’s position on this subject has absolutely nothing to do with rational belief and everything to do with what she learned while stewing in a refugee camp. (This all sets aside the question of what our policy towards Israel should be— I’m just saying she is not an example to follow.)
This is in contrast to her positions in support of various aspects of cultural Marxism, which she has learned to parrot very well.
At the end of the day, Omar supports open borders, and would happily see this country destroyed in two seconds if she could bring it about. For someone who criticizes “Trump the clown” as much as Lawman does, I would have thought the conversation about Omar would begin and end with her support of open borders.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550316) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 11:08 AM Author: Territorial principal's office persian
No. George Soros’s son gave an interview where he explicitly laid out the MO of his father and other left wing Jews.
Essentially, due to their refusal to assimilate, they feel like outsiders here. In order to feel more safe, they paradoxically import third worlders and push this “multiculturalism” crap. They think they are acting out of self preservation but it really will be the end of them. Remember that their efforts are why Omar is here to begin with.
Plus, the left demands adherence to its religion, and then they protect you. They can differentiate between Jews and Israel. They want to see Israel go down, but will protect the left wing Jews who subscribe to the religion of shitliberalism. That’s how the left wing Jews see it, anyway.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550752) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 11:13 AM Author: bearded adulterous range
"but it really will be the end of them."
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4278655&mc=20&forum_id=2
Additionally, Jews are unwelcome in the Left at this point, and the ones that 'survive' will of course tow a strong anti-Israel line, but that will only buy them sometime before they are eaten. Omar is out to destroy you as well, but because she's "woke" on the "JQ" like you, enjoy playing in her sand box.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550787) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 11:35 AM Author: bearded adulterous range
Jews have never had the luxury of logical hatred.
It's sad this even has to be explained to you. Omar really feels that Jews "control" the discourse on Israel, is pushing for boycotts, divestment and sanctions in Congress and Jews push for "allegiance" to a foreign country. If this is not anti-Semitism, what is? I repudiate slander, in its entirety. This woman is a radical, slanderous, hater.
The fact that we even group "jews" as a monolith that acts in concert is in and of itself alone, anti-Semitic, as if there is no diversity of thought or opinion within this group, a group of people known by and large for its culture of argument and debate on every possible topic.
If you want to lie in bed with Omar based on her Jew-hatred that's fine, but own it. Own the fact you dislike Jews. At least she does. The fact that you'd be willing to support or associate or promote a person who is so radically wrong on every other issue that is directly pertinent to our country is very telling.
If Israel was not Jewish, it would be not be hated. If you're not self-delusional, this is plainly obvious. How blind do you have to be to not see this?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550922)
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Date: July 18th, 2019 11:45 AM Author: naked submissive senate
if israel "was not jewish," they would still be hated because of their extremely undesirable actions. nobody hates israel "because jews live there." they hate israel because of the actions of israelis and diaspora jews who act on behalf of and in support of israel. they do not hate them "because they are jewish"
you are not high enough IQ to grasp the distinction between specific actions and the humans themselves who make those actions. i've run into this problem many times before. it's why talking about "politics" with average people is so difficult - you're just not smart enough to analyze abstractions separately from people
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550989)
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Date: July 18th, 2019 11:53 AM Author: bearded adulterous range
You seem to really enjoy being condescending while presenting borderline comprehensible poasts like this.
I'll explain it to you this way and water it down so you can grasp it. If Israel became "Palestine" tomorrow, or fully Muslim, do you think anyone would still give a shit how they are treated in Gaza? No.
Palestinians are treated far worse in Lebanon and in Syria than they are in the West Bank. Arab-versus-Arab violence is far less mindful of civilians than Israel is when it attacks Hamas in Gaza or Hezbollah in Lebanon. Discrimination against religious and ethnic minorities is vastly worse in Arab countries than in Israel. Yet there is no BDS movement against Arab countries. There are rarely, if ever, any resolutions at the UN against Arab regimes.
It begs the question, why Israel? But, we know the answer.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38551043)
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Date: July 18th, 2019 11:14 AM Author: Territorial principal's office persian
This is very simple.
I care about ideas, not people.
Omar has raised valid concerns about our relationship with Israel. These should be addressed. Instead, they have been suppressed. This is bad.
Whether or not she has good motives is beyond the scope of the discussion. Let’s have the Israel conversation first, then discuss her motives.
Whether she has actually “weakened US support for Israel” is also irrelevant. The point is for the discussion to actually occur, which to date, it has not, on a national level.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550795) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 10:29 AM Author: Outnumbered Exciting School Hairy Legs
They can and they should fight their own wars.
But I don’t need Ilhan Omar to tell me that, or anything.
Lots of white knights for Omar ITT.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550535) |
Date: July 18th, 2019 10:22 AM Author: floppy center
You're both right, actually. Lawman8 is right that her points about Israel and American funding, when removed from the speaker, aren't insane at all as they're being portraited. It makes zero sense that we're sending billions to Israel for no reason and that it is unacceptable to question it.
At the same time, I don't see her making the same points about American funding elsewhere in the middle east or Africa, which isn't surprising. Nor is her point that the US should stop foreign funding, just to stop funding Israel. IRL, while Israel is the worst offender, the US needs to examine foreign aid altogether.
Finally, of course she would like nothing more than to have the majority of Americans also be like her and deal with Lawman8 types the way they would back home in Somalia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550497) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 10:29 AM Author: Beady-eyed stead weed whacker
Foreign aid is an insignificantly small portion of our budget that actually buys us alot more than it costs.
Foreign aid is not the problem.
Foreign lobbying in Congress is the problem. There is no reason why foreign govts should be allowed to lobby congress. We have diplomatic relations with executive. That should be the limit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550537) |
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Date: July 18th, 2019 10:42 AM Author: floppy center
I'm really sick of these kinds of arguments. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/blog/2013/05/06/how-much-foreign-aid-does-us-give-away/
Almost $40 billion (and that was in 2013). That is an absurdly large amount of money. Yes, we also have crazy entitlement and military spending generally, but at least those are somewhat rational (you have to defend the country and fund pensions and healthcare for olds and the disabled). This is giving away tens of billions of US dollars to other countries.
EDIT: Almost $50 billion, actually. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-does-us-spend-its-foreign-aid
"Foreign lobbying in Congress is the problem. There is no reason why foreign govts should be allowed to lobby congress. We have diplomatic relations with executive. That should be the limit."
Protip: if the US is going to give away tens of billions of dollars to foreign countries there's going to be a huge incentive to influence where that money goes. It may come from the foreign governments. It may come from US corporations looking to profit. It may come from the fact that these days plenty of US congressman have connections to other countries (Omar being a perfect example). Either way, you stop this nonsense by realizing that the US shouldn't be spending that many zeros on assisting other countries when it is literally tens of trillions of dollars in debt.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550615)
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Date: July 18th, 2019 11:06 AM Author: Beady-eyed stead weed whacker
Our national defense strategy is built around access to foreign ports and airfields. This aid secures that access and ensures the govts that grant the access can stay in power.
EDIT: context is important
“Given the many agencies, funding methods, and categories of aid associated with U.S. foreign assistance efforts, estimates can differ. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS), which uses the broadest definition of aid [PDF], including military and security assistance, total spending was roughly $49 billion in 2016, the last full fiscal year analyzed. This accounts for about 1.2 percent of the federal budget.”
We often complain around here about how military power is the only lever of diplomacy that we pull. Economic aid is another lever that achieves our objectives without direct military intervention.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550748) |
Date: July 18th, 2019 10:33 AM Author: Outnumbered Exciting School Hairy Legs
I consider Lawman a friend and ally (in our weird little corner of the universe here).
But IMO, our #1 priority is stopping deranged, clown world, cultural Marxist shitlibs from completely destroying our country. There is nothing— nothing— more important than defeating libs. If they get their way, they will wreck our country beyond recognition.
Going down the Israel rabbit hole does not take priority over defeating libs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38550559) |
Date: July 18th, 2019 12:08 PM Author: abusive aromatic lettuce athletic conference
She will never wield enough influence to do anything but undermine the Democratic Party, and force discussion of the Israel Question into somewhat public spheres. Those are both good things.
It’s fucking absurd that local and state politicians who do not support calling the BDS movement a terrorist organization are forced to visit 4 hooocaust museums and Israel itself on an apology tour to keep their jobs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4305270&forum_id=2#38551121) |
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