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Date: August 18th, 2019 6:30 PM Author: Dun Psychic Spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38705910) |
Date: August 18th, 2019 6:33 PM Author: Angry passionate location Bears, Cardinals, Packers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38705920) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:56 PM Author: insecure racy university regret Bizarre Cardinals flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706824) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:58 PM Author: Angry passionate location Oldest team in the league along with the Bears and Packers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706830) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:00 PM Author: insecure racy university regret But they have moved all over and haven't won a super bowl like ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706844) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:07 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus They’ve appeared in one Super Bowl despite being one of the oldest teams and moved all over. They’re shit in every sense of the word (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706886) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:08 PM Author: Electric Main People lol. they're still trash (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38708966) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 6:35 PM Author: Beady-eyed quadroon NE Patriots
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:07 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Lmao no. They have no history prior to 2001. The team was an afterthought in Boston and the rest of the league for the vast majority of its history. Team was so pathetic it almost moved to Hartford. They’re also cheaters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706521) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:09 PM Author: Indecent old irish cottage cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706532) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:10 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus (Boston trash who can’t name a player prior to 2002) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706537) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:10 PM Author: Indecent old irish cottage i watched every game since like 1990 dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706539) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:11 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Why does Boston Trash always lie. The team almost moved because of lack of support. There were fucking blackouts for most of this shit tram’s hustory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706551) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:14 PM Author: Indecent old irish cottage im aware of the history, im not lying. i was in attendance when they beat the sb champ giants in preseason and everyone was excited in 1991, then they proceeded to suck as usual (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706561) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:17 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus So why would a team with no history prior to 2002 that had zero impact be considered prestigious in a league that is 100 years old? This franchise has constant cheating scandals and is full of scum bags. Embarrassing stuff. Almost moved to Hartford and St. Louis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706567) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:19 PM Author: Indecent old irish cottage the only history people care about is since the merger and the patriots have won the most super bowls (tied with pitt, i know). the whining about 'cheating' just makes you sound pathetic bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706577) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:20 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Three of their “rings” are tarnished by cheating. This team was irrelevant for over 40 years post merger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706582) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:22 PM Author: Indecent old irish cottage And now they are the most relevant.
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:24 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Lmao absolutely wrong. That’s the Cowboys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706609) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:26 PM Author: Indecent old irish cottage Lol that's why you're MAF, your team hasn't been relevant in years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706619) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:27 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Go back to Israel. Patriots will soon slide back to irrelevancy but the Cowboys will forever be the marquee franchise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706627) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:40 PM Author: infuriating jewess LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707144) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 11:05 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus *adjusts yarmulke* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707332) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 1:54 AM Author: Indecent old irish cottage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707940) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:39 PM Author: infuriating jewess lmao u faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707140) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:54 PM Author: Crawly space Wow. I am impressed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706808) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 7:23 PM Author: histrionic area Bears (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706128) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 7:29 PM Author: coral trust fund prole titans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706153) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 7:30 PM Author: Judgmental casino Packers, Bears (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706155) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 7:34 PM Author: Hairraiser garnet juggernaut candlestick maker Packers and Browns. Also, Miami Dolphins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706167) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 8:24 PM Author: Dun Psychic Spot The Browns? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706322) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:13 PM Author: Buck-toothed snowy becky yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38708982) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 7:38 PM Author: adventurous haunted graveyard cruise ship The Green Bay Packers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706185) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 7:43 PM Author: Scarlet philosopher-king packers, bears, steelers. something seems wrong about calling steelers "prestigious" even though they are a great nfl franchise but i don't know if i can really distinguish them from packers and bears. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706201) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 8:04 PM Author: Elite Center The 4 NFC East teams plus Patriots, Niners, Bears and Steelers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706257) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:21 PM Author: adventurous haunted graveyard cruise ship Utter retardation to exclude the Packers in your T8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706591) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:22 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Even more retarded to exclude the Cowboys (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706598) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:04 PM Author: adventurous haunted graveyard cruise ship The Cowboys were in the NFC East the last time I checked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706872) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:07 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Absolutely devastating for me. I’m done here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706893) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 8:05 PM Author: flesh adulterous locale goyim Dallas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706259) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 8:25 PM Author: duck-like yarmulke Bears or Packers. Steelers and Pats are nouveau riche trash, not truly prestigious despite their greater success. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706325) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:02 PM Author: Heady box office gunner Niners, Steelers, Packers, Patriots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706489) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 1:50 AM Author: Razzmatazz rehab this plus cowboys, i say begrudgingly as a niners fan
total SB plus sustained success |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:08 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Lmao at the pencil dicks and Boston trash calling the pats prestigious. They’re nouveau riche trash.
And just LMAO that no one mentioned the cowboys. |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:09 PM Author: Indecent old irish cottage Patriots easy.
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:10 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Shocked Boston garbage band wagoner thinks cheating franchise with no history is “prestigious” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706543) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:13 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Cowboys, Packers, Giants, Niners, Bears, Steelers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706555) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:10 PM Author: wonderful property pistol Packers Dolphins |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:11 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Dolphins had one decade of success. How many Cubans post on here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706544) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:11 PM Author: wonderful property pistol Sorry is there another undefeated championship team bruh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706549) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:12 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Boston trash MAF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706553) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:32 PM Author: Thirsty sneaky criminal this. they have been mediocre more than they've been good. Steelers, pats, Broncos, are all superior AFC franchises. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38709067) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:25 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Anyone who omitted the Cowboys ITT is an idiot who doesn’t know sports or football. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706612) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 9:58 PM Author: insecure racy university regret Bears Cowboys Niners Steelers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706834) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:10 PM Author: french abode liquid oxygen yet another xo2019 thread breaks down because no one knows what "prestigious" means
what exactly is prestigious about the Cowboys?
anyway, the answers are the Packers, Bears, Steelers, Giants
honorable mention: Redskins, Browns. The Browns would be in the main list had they not moved to Baltimore |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:15 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Very Asian post. Go back to Guangzhou (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38706958) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:20 PM Author: diverse carnelian home You're like some idiot trying to argue that the Cardinals and Athletics are the most prestigious MLB team because they were founded first
It's the fucking Yankees and everyone knows it
As to what is prestigious about the Cowboys:
From 1966 to 1982, Dallas played in 12 NFL or NFC Championship games, a span of 17 years. Furthermore, the Cowboys appeared in 10 NFC Championship games in the 13-year span from 1970 to 1982. Leading the Cowboys to three Super Bowl appearances in four years between 1975 and 1978, and five in nine years between 1970 and 1978, along with being on television more than any other NFL team, resulted in the Cowboys receiving the label of "America's Team"
And this is before they ran train in the 90s. You're talking 3-4 decades of consistently great teams |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:21 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Lol just lol at this NoVa Asian claiming the Redskins are more prestigious than the Cowboys (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707022) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:28 PM Author: french abode liquid oxygen I'm not disputing they're a historically great franchise
I'm not disputing that they aren't the most valuable franchise money-wise
You inherently cannot be "the most prestigious" team in a league when you were a fucking expansion team founded 40 years into the league's history.
Are the New York Islanders and Edmonton Oilers the most prestigious NHL franchises, by your metrics? They dominated the 80s! |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:35 PM Author: salmon well-lubricated step-uncle's house idea he suggested kind of agree, but pro football is different than other sports. it is very prole. in that world Dallas is king. they are awful and gaudy and dumb and egotistical. but that is the nfl and that whatmakes it so popular. |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:29 PM Author: french abode liquid oxygen at least I didn't say the Patriots, you got rightfully clowned for that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707085) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:36 PM Author: Indecent old irish cottage lol yeah the browns are more prestigious than six time super bowl champ patriots, gtfo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707123) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:40 PM Author: french abode liquid oxygen again, thanks for conceding that your only criteria for "prestigious" is how many times they've won in your rapidly-shrinking recent memory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707145) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 11:04 PM Author: Indecent old irish cottage i didnt concede that at all, but to completely disregard success as a metric is retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707322) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 3:32 PM Author: multi-colored lime wagecucks principal's office i'd bet if euros could name one football team, it'd be either the cowboys or patriots. this goes in the preftigious calc. it's like man u or barca etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38710149) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:24 PM Author: salmon well-lubricated step-uncle's house idea he suggested NFC East Steelers Packers Bears Pats
Eagles fan, but Dallas is the Yankees of the NFL. unfortunate but true. |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 11:04 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Spit out my drink when you said Eagles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707321) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:38 PM Author: adventurous haunted graveyard cruise ship LOL at the Eagles/Redskins/Giants fans ITT saying "NFC East".
Clearly just trying to piggyback off the prestige of the Cowboys |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:41 PM Author: salmon well-lubricated step-uncle's house idea he suggested ratings don’t lie. nfc east blows all other teams away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707156) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 11:05 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus The Giants are prestigious. The Eagles are a joke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707327) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:40 PM Author: Flickering hospital toaster Skins were prestigious until they spent the last 25 years trying to make as many mid Atlantic basketball and baseball fans as they could. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38709133) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:40 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38709137) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:38 PM Author: Dun Psychic Spot Are the Raiders prestigious? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707133) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:42 PM Author: Dun Psychic Spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707161) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:43 PM Author: salmon well-lubricated step-uncle's house idea he suggested back in the day, yes. no team has fallen further faster. they are a joke franchise. sad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707178) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:46 PM Author: french abode liquid oxygen if the Cowboys are prestigious, so are the Raiders
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Date: August 18th, 2019 11:03 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus LMAO JUST LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707315) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 1:34 PM Author: big people who are hurt no team that moves as many times as the raiders have can claim prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38709490) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 10:49 PM Author: Dun Psychic Spot What about the Buffalo Bills with Doug Flutie? They were a force to be reckoned with (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707210) |
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Date: August 18th, 2019 11:05 PM Author: Dun Psychic Spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38707324) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:10 PM Author: stirring aquamarine selfie Jaguars (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38708972) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:10 PM Author: Swollen mildly autistic mediation senate Clearly Packers Pats or Cowboys (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38708975) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:14 PM Author: Thirsty sneaky criminal Cowboys, Packers, and Bears. Not really sure how anyone can argue against this.
Next tier: NFC: Giants AFC: Pats, Steelers, Broncos |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:40 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38709128) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:15 PM Author: Frozen place of business corn cake Seattle Seahawks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38708992) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:27 PM Author: Fuchsia Effete Milk Striped Hyena 49ers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38709041) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 1:43 PM Author: bisexual piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38709538) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:38 PM Author: translucent preventive strike station Jags, Bucs, Chargers, Titans, Panthers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38709113) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 12:43 PM Author: Flickering hospital toaster It’s the Packers, obvs. Lombardi is the apex of football prestige. What other sport has its championship object named after the GOAT coach? But it makes sense that football does this bc strategy and player development are everything in football. And the town owning the team schtick is 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38709151) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 9:58 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Packers have only had a few years of success post-merger. First two Super Bowls, the Favre Super Bowl Teams and the Rodgers Super Bowl team. The Steelers and Cowboys have been much more consistent and have won more Super Bowls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38711978) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 1:36 PM Author: big people who are hurt Packers, Cowboys, Giants, Steelers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38709499) |
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Date: August 19th, 2019 1:38 PM Author: alcoholic excitant rigor All time CR is:
Bears
Packers
Steelers
Tie between 49ers/Cowboys/Giants
Runner up: undefeated Dolphins team
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Date: August 19th, 2019 9:59 PM Author: Citrine Vigorous Sex Offender Locus Broncos have been consistently very good throughout the post-merger. They get dinged for all of their hilarious super bowl losses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38711980) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 9:19 AM Author: Thirsty sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4325880&forum_id=2#38719128) |