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If we’re in a recession why is my M&A as busy as ever?
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Date: August 21st, 2019 10:23 AM Author: appetizing buff tanning salon dopamine *group. Are we going to plough through this recession largely unfazed? Starting to wonder if the rumors of ITE 2.0 have been exaggerated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719343) |
Date: August 21st, 2019 10:39 AM Author: High-end home If you're in M&A you should know better than this poast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719429) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 10:43 AM Author: appetizing buff tanning salon dopamine Im a second year who has no experience with ITE. I know that this business is fraudlies all the way down but haven’t noticed any slowing or softening in work at all. So you’re saying the music will just stop one day and we’ll all be fucked? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719453) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:05 AM Author: bull headed diverse idea he suggested place of business 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719594) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:06 AM Author: 180 hilarious roast beef Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719601) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:21 AM Author: appetizing buff tanning salon dopamine You’re not Obeezy! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719716) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:25 AM Author: High-end home Yes, and I'm also saying we are by definition not in a recession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719747) |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 6:17 PM Author: abnormal erotic location love of her life Cr. There’s a rush right now while the music is playing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38740592) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 3:00 PM Author: slate stock car office There's a lag. It's not like you're working on transactions that started two weeks ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744776) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:06 AM Author: fantasy-prone razzmatazz theater stage jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719597) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 12:50 PM Author: Ebony crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38720259) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:00 AM Author: useless insanely creepy sweet tailpipe You have to industry by industry, IMO. Why is X selling and Y buying? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719558) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:14 AM Author: appetizing buff tanning salon dopamine Fair. I don’t have an industry focus and most clients are PE firms with broad industry exposure. Maybe I’ll maek if after all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719667) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:24 AM Author: Lascivious Hall French Chef Well the PE funds have to spend the investor’s cash in their funds so I don’t think their deal activity would drop until the economy craters. When that happens banks won’t be willing to lend on the very generous terms they have been over the last few years and the PE funds will get squeezed and their profits will plummet. At which time K&E will conduct mass layoffs of associates and “partners”. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719745) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:26 AM Author: Spruce gunner the error in your second sentence is unacceptable and not reflective of the quality this firm strives to produce. what would the client think? please pay more attention to detail. I've booked a conference room on Friday to discuss (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719761) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:39 AM Author: appetizing buff tanning salon dopamine ? maek it is firm style (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719860) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:47 AM Author: Spruce gunner your inability to spot the actual error in your second sentence is beyond my comprehension. the Friday meeting has been pushed to this afternoon. see you at noon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719923) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:49 AM Author: appetizing buff tanning salon dopamine v concerning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719938) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 4:26 PM Author: shimmering half-breed telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745171) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:45 AM Author: useless insanely creepy sweet tailpipe Also, what kind of PE funds are they? What is their exit strategy? A venture fund will perform differently from an LBO fund. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719900) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:04 AM Author: French ruddy stain yeah corporate consolidation and companies selling themselves instead of investing in themselves and growing are total signs of a prosperous economy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719583) |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 9:02 PM Author: Adventurous dun pervert personal credit line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38741316) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:07 AM Author: charcoal abode industry consolidation to fuck over consumers will exist in any economy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719605) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 12:53 PM Author: vengeful filthy temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38720269) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:08 AM Author: fantasy-prone razzmatazz theater stage jew Recessions cause M&A. The only things that drive M&A are access to debt and loose regulatory environment. During a credit crisis, M&A is fucked, but recessions just cause the fed to loosen and provide more fuel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719609) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:26 AM Author: High-end home not in 2009 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719755) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:33 AM Author: fantasy-prone razzmatazz theater stage jew Are you unaware that 2009 was a credit crisis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719814) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 12:51 PM Author: Ebony crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38720262) |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 8:54 PM Author: mildly autistic lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38741287) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:13 AM Author: bossy lime kitchen we're not in a recession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719664) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:27 AM Author: Jet well-lubricated persian site I don't think we are in a recession. But M&A was great from 2005-2007 before recession wasn't it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719769) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:33 AM Author: bull headed diverse idea he suggested place of business You're going to die HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719808) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:34 AM Author: bipolar shaky nursing home Don't have kids or buy a house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719823) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:39 AM Author: appetizing buff tanning salon dopamine Too late! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719862) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 11:34 AM Author: Black nowag Debt is super cheap hence M&A and buybacks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38719824) |
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Date: August 21st, 2019 1:09 PM Author: hyperventilating abusive market police squad Rush Limbaugh said yesterday we are NOT in a recession but the drive by media wishes we were because it will hurt Trump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38720348) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 2:54 PM Author: hyperventilating abusive market police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744730) |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 6:15 PM Author: coiffed roommate locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38740587) |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 6:18 PM Author: sapphire wonderful church building who's saying we're in a recession right now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38740595) |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 8:31 PM Author: coiffed roommate locale Libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38741188) |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 8:33 PM Author: hairless snowy faggotry hell Libs and the media are trying to meme one into existence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38741203) |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 8:50 PM Author: Plum Elite Pit Preventive Strike lagging indicator...besides we are not in a recession...YET (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38741276) |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 9:03 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution 2nd year lawyers really have their fingers on the pulse of M&A volumes ime
op if a firm trading at 20x p/e buys a target trading at 10x p/e in an all stock deal, is it likely accretive or dilutive from the buyer’s perspective? Does it feel silly to label yourself “M&A” anything without being able to answer such a trivial question? |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 9:19 PM Author: coiffed roommate locale Sup JJC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38741380) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 2:55 PM Author: exciting avocado national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744737) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 2:55 PM Author: hyperventilating abusive market police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744738) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 12:46 PM Author: fantasy-prone razzmatazz theater stage jew OP. You should listen to this. It was a very valuable analysis for 1970’s mergers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744058) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 12:50 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution Walk me through how a corporate finance 101 question about EPS accretion that summer interns answer every day made for useful legal analysis in the 70s.
My point is only that it’s lolzy how irrelevant “M&A lawyers” are to actual m&a. “Rent-seeking contract specialist” seems more appropriate imo |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 12:57 PM Author: frum patrolman forum We all have our role to play. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744111) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 1:05 PM Author: fantasy-prone razzmatazz theater stage jew Because the only reasons interns exist is as a favor to their parents/friends. They keep busy doing mindless bullshit (usually through their analyst program) until it doesn’t look like egregious nepotism to stick them in their dad’s asset management firm.
M&A happens when an MD convinces a CEO to over pay to either empire build, promote anticompetitive pricing or cover their ass for failing to keep up with their industry. They couldn’t give two shits about targetco’s financials. |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 2:54 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution Basically this is 95-100% wrong but intuitively appealing to someone that wouldn’t know any better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744733) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 3:27 PM Author: fantasy-prone razzmatazz theater stage jew Sage Kellys make the deal while giving Ginni Rometty her third orgasm. JJCs make up the excuses for the CEO to present to the board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744917) |
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Date: August 25th, 2019 9:22 PM Author: scarlet know-it-all area like 80% of America is broke now. no such thing as a recession anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38741390) |
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Date: August 27th, 2019 11:55 AM Author: bull headed diverse idea he suggested place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38749066) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 12:51 PM Author: laughsome fiercely-loyal chapel codepig What happens when there is just 1 megacorp? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744076) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 2:53 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution huge money to be made taking it apart. The pitch books about conglomerate discount would write themselves.
This may not be obvious if every deal means arguing over “commercially best efforts” vs. “best efforts” from your perspective |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 2:57 PM Author: laughsome fiercely-loyal chapel codepig Hilarious CBS spins off from Viacom then spins back on! iBankers telling you with a straight face to do both deals! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744751) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 3:03 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution Lol pretty much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744798) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 3:13 PM Author: coiffed roommate locale Lol anyways gotta go! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744848) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 3:20 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution Dude presumably this is an inside joke? I’m a grown man and not autistic sorry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744885) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 3:17 PM Author: useless insanely creepy sweet tailpipe With the tax benefits, this deal practically finances itself! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744869) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 3:30 PM Author: laughsome fiercely-loyal chapel codepig Did TCJA devastate finance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38744933) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 4:03 PM Author: useless insanely creepy sweet tailpipe I think it depends on the structure. I donct do much PE but I understand that TCJA will push buyers to want to buy assets (which allows them to fully expense the assets under TCJA) instead of stock. I think that was always the case, but now moreso. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745082) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 4:05 PM Author: laughsome fiercely-loyal chapel codepig Made interest non deductible? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745095) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 4:19 PM Author: useless insanely creepy sweet tailpipe A lil out of my element here, but I believe you are now allowed to deduct the full cost of the asset instead of stretching it out over years. This should allow you to reduce your tax for that tax yr. Without it, you are have delayed deductions to an asset with a lower present value than when u first bought jt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745156) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 4:37 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution It capped the interest deduction but allows for 100% deduction of capex. Very much a wash.
Trying to generate excess returns on public markets is a losers game. So money keeps pouring into private markets (like PE). Their biggest issue is finding ways to deploy it all. Sorry I guess |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 4:57 PM Author: laughsome fiercely-loyal chapel codepig Buffett crushes the market. PE is scam for fees to the owners of the firm, not the investors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745289) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 5:24 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution If it were a scam it wouldn’t be so popular with institutional investors, no? isnt there value in diversifying into private markets?
The hot take you’re looking for is that it’s just glorified financial engineering. Debt is cheaper than equity and PE guys are great at extracting attractive financing terms from banks/bondholders. That’s prob right but so what? |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 5:29 PM Author: laughsome fiercely-loyal chapel codepig Institutions are corrupt as fuck and kicking back to their frat brothers since they have even less skin in the game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745407) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 5:38 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution Very cogent analysis imo good job. note that kkr has blown the s&p out of the water since inception (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745433) |
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Date: August 28th, 2019 8:37 AM Author: fantasy-prone razzmatazz theater stage jew thanks to the 80s funds returning like 3x. 2000s have been shit.
https://www.calpers.ca.gov/page/investments/asset-classes/private-equity/pep-fund-performance |
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Date: August 28th, 2019 11:52 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution https://ir.kkr.com/static-files/b010dd22-8620-4e1e-867f-bdaf7fe89abf
flip to page 48 fwiw |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 3:47 PM Author: Lemon ladyboy LOL at my megacorp we're literally re-acquiring a company we spun off less than five years ago right now. In our defense it was unclear at the time of the spinoff that the CEO, CFO and COO were all abject retards who should never be employed by anyone ever again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745015) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 3:48 PM Author: laughsome fiercely-loyal chapel codepig Are you using the same ibank? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745017) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 3:51 PM Author: Lemon ladyboy Same banks, same firms haha. Corp Dev are popping champagne bottles because we get to remove the incompetent leadership and gobble up all the founders/key employees shares for pennies on the dollar. I have to say, whatever banker advised the spin-off was a genius. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745025) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 8:00 PM Author: coiffed roommate locale Haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745990) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 6:26 PM Author: cruel-hearted primrose principal's office What a surprise this thread devolved into JJC’s unfathomable lack of awareness of what junior finance work means. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745615) |
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Date: August 26th, 2019 7:21 PM Author: passionate unhinged institution edit actually not worth it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38745849) |
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Date: August 29th, 2019 1:40 AM Author: painfully honest sound barrier menage that's not jjc jjc knows 0 nitty gritty finance all he can talk about is how one hedge fund PWNS another in PRESTIGE |
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Date: August 27th, 2019 12:04 PM Author: coiffed roommate locale Just got staffed on another deal., have to get any issues list out by COB. Libs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4327689&forum_id=2#38749135) |
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