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Was work as miserable before ITE?
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:21 PM Author: cruel-hearted nursing home It seems like expectations really shifted afterwards.... People going beyond the extra mile to prove their value. Of course, technology is a part of it too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820901) |
Date: September 11th, 2019 8:22 PM Author: wine mood sandwich I'm sure it was stressful, but in other ways. A lot more travel I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820904) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:23 PM Author: cruel-hearted nursing home Did people work on airplanes? I don't travel for work much but I always see sad gen x dudes in golf shirts with company logos pecking away on their laptops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820911) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:29 PM Author: Bonkers wonderful national jjc, it is really really obvious when you talk to yourself like this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820949) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:30 PM Author: cruel-hearted nursing home I'm not him. I hate work. It has no meaning. I feel bad for these guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820953) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:34 PM Author: Bonkers wonderful national You have enough time to spam multiple online forums with the same obvious poasting style you’re incapable of breaking. If you were back in Korea working in a zipper factory you probably wouldn’t have so much time on your hands (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820976) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:38 PM Author: cruel-hearted nursing home Wtf dude. I'm not him. I'm just trying to find out more about this world. Your tone deaf insistence is autistic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821001) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 11:21 PM Author: awkward autistic stag film internal respiration Sup Brady. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821779) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 12:40 PM Author: lascivious forum gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38823675) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:22 PM Author: Appetizing red whorehouse I don’t think you were expected to be available 24/7 before ite
Smartphones are the devil |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:25 PM Author: charcoal shivering cuckoldry theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820926) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:31 PM Author: diverse idiot cr there was a sweet spot where technology made some things much easier but you weren't expected to use it at home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820958) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 10:23 PM Author: mustard boiling water We still had blackberries. The blinking light and vibration buzz still sends shivers down my spine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821475) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 1:31 AM Author: ocher persian feces Yeah it was actually worse bc it was still 24/7 availability but reading anything on your blackberry sucked so the flashing light meant you were running off to your laptop and then citrix would be gay and then because technology was shitty and it took you 20 minutes to send out a two sentence email you were "slow to respond." Advent of blackberry until about 2012 was the lowest point ever. You already had the PPP squeeze and sociopath boomers controlling everything, but you hadn't quite adapted all of the tools of the job.
I worked with this one senior associate who bitched me out when I took an hour to send something on a Saturday morning because my wife was violently vomiting in the bathroom and I was trying to make sure we weren't about to go to the hospital (and that she wasn't pregnant). This fag was a pathetic loser who did not ever touch a woman he didn't pay by the hour in a hotel room during the entire three years I worked with him. He intentionally rented an apartment that was a two minute walk from the office and would leave to go work out at 7 and then come back a 9 and stay until 1 every night, despite the fact that he apparently didn't bill that much. In retrospect, he had to be a poaster--maybe he's reading this right now! So yeah biglaw didn't lack for apex autist shitheads pre ITE at all, in fact I think the less profitable ones were culled, as this dude was. |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 1:45 AM Author: mustard boiling water This is scholarship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38822169) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 3:25 PM Author: Fluffy gay native legal warrant several twists, excellent read, put down the pills (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830058) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:25 PM Author: scarlet field Technology has taken away much of the simple but time consuming part of many jobs, so all that's left is the really emotionally draining shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820919) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:25 PM Author: vivacious idiotic filthpig senate No. Life generally was less stressful and that included work. You always knew that if you quit or got laid off you could put yourself back on partnership track somehow, somewhere, after a short delay. There was no one-wrong-move like now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820920) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:25 PM Author: wine mood sandwich yeah, I'm calling bullshit on this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820925) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 9:53 PM Author: vivacious idiotic filthpig senate An everyday example: all of the 9/11 flights from the east coast that were headed to California were at about 40% passenger capacity. Step back and try to imagine this today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821321) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 10:04 PM Author: motley lilac friendly grandma great example (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821372) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 10:22 PM Author: Hairless Goyim Explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821467) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 1:35 AM Author: ocher persian feces Good example of the changes in the country overall but a terrible example to offer as support for your laughable claim that getting canned in biglaw pre-ITE was no big deal because someone else would hire you and you were right back on track to partner. By 2005 less than 2% of first year classes in either the v50 or Amlaw 200 (can't remember which) ended up as partners. This was widely understood even back then, sometimes even openly discussed as the trade off for the massive increase in starting salaries in the late 90s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38822150) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 4:44 PM Author: vivacious idiotic filthpig senate I was obviously exaggerating. The point is, the entire nation was not a pressure cooker for profits like now. If you lost a job you could find something decent. If you wanted to book a flight it didn’t automatically require $800 and 6 weeks of advance planning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830440) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 10:23 PM Author: mustard boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821477) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:27 PM Author: cruel-hearted nursing home It's insane to me that by just being born in the wrong year you can be permafucked while the dude born a year after you is employable just by graduating college a year later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820935) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:30 PM Author: deranged home It's no different from any other form of luck such as being born in the right country or other things you control like Clique/Phenotype. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820955) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:31 PM Author: cruel-hearted nursing home I was thinking that as I wrote it. This seems slightly more arbitrary though. Life is just unfair I guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820959) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:35 PM Author: deranged home It all works the same. Boomers call basically anyone younger than them ENTITLED and laugh at their misfortune, no matter how much harder they work than them or how worthy they are.
We do the same thing with Clique/Phenotype.
Also we just laugh at turds who don't make the top 1% cutoff to emigrate and be smelly H1B Engineers.We are like "haha they suck, street shitter," some 130 IQ peasant making one wrong move on his Engineering test so can't emigrate so he has to herd cows while Bobby Birdshit bangs Stacy, life isn't fair. |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:41 PM Author: cruel-hearted nursing home True. But some of that stuff is harder to relate to because our society isn't set up to be like that. Underutilizing entire University graduating classes seems wasteful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821015) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:43 PM Author: deranged home It's the only way that life isn't completely miserable for everyone. Just concentrate misery/ignominy/poverty on individuals to make things livable for the opulent minority. It's why we have Castes/Cliques. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821023) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 10:01 PM Author: Rough-skinned Location Genital Piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821359) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:33 PM Author: scarlet field (guy who was born in the most prosperous time in the most prosperous time in human history) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820968) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:35 PM Author: cruel-hearted nursing home Don't get me wrong, I love technology and am actually somewhat optimistic about the trajectory of humanity. Like a lot of us, though, I know people a few years older than me who had their life fucked by ITE. It's just sad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38820989) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 11:24 PM Author: awkward autistic stag film internal respiration This seems right. Recall talking to recent law school grads pre ITE talking about jumping around from firm to firm. If shit got too tough, go elsewhere and take a break in between. So many firms were poaching each other's talents. Recessions made firms realize that they can cut the assoc ranks in half and cut perks without any drop in talent. All of a sudden, you had t14 kids crawling over their classmates' dead bodies to get an offer from a V75 firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821790) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:39 PM Author: Fighting stimulating garrison It’s work. It always sucks in some way, details aside. We don’t even know why we do it, we just have to do something with ourselves or else...what? Who knows what would happen if for once we just looked at ourselves honestly, threw up our arms and said “enough with this error of conscious life”. The entire world might go up in smoke or a swirling vortex could swallow us into the earth’s core. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821009) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:46 PM Author: Razzle dopamine And this is why we serve the written word, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821035) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 12:45 PM Author: Seedy range wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38823696) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:45 PM Author: Razzle dopamine In the early 2000s people had email and shit but they weren't expected to check it 24/7. Work still generally stopped when you got home.
The fundamental difference is that, for the first time in human history, we've completely erased the line between work and personal time. Work is a constant endeavor. Its awful roar might get quieter during "personal time" but it's still lingering in your mind, just one phone buzz away. |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 11:30 PM Author: Charismatic chrome brunch And they snickered--and initially we believed them--when they said that this was "increased flexibility" that would permit you to go to your son's t-ball games and your daughter's school play without fear because you could still be responsive. Nope! Instead, it means that the first thing you do in the morning, the last thing you do at night, and the thing you're expected to do at least once every hour in between is to check your email, oh and preferably be on Skype, too, oh and some assholes will just text, and some clients will ask for your "WhatsApp" or ask you to join their in-house Slack. Oh, vacation? Just "check-in" in the morning and in the evening, unless there's an emergency--and there's always an emergency. It never stops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821809) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 11:40 PM Author: cruel-hearted nursing home I know. I want to die. And gf complains about her work constantly too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821838) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 12:20 AM Author: bull headed rehab brethren Please let the slack be flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821986) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 1:14 AM Author: Splenetic School Cafeteria Goal In Life slack is really useful for team projects (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38822110) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 1:34 AM Author: Charismatic chrome brunch It was suggested once by a start-up client that was a total headache and had a "better way" to do everything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38822145) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 3:13 PM Author: Razzle dopamine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDFt_Dhxg8k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38824630) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 10:22 PM Author: Hairless Goyim ITE has definitely made gc more ruthless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821465) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 11:26 PM Author: spectacular umber pozpig site ITE taught GC it could get a lot more for a lot less. It trimmed the "fat". There was a lot of unnecessary excess but it was benefiting Mr and Mrs America. The "fat" we had before, is now just a whiff of a memory. GC effectively learned it could collectively lower everyone's standards even when the getting was good again, and soon enough, people forgot even how it was before... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821795) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 11:33 PM Author: deranged home And the overworked Gen X/Gen Y bros are all ENTITLED and are accused of sucking by MSM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821817) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 1:15 AM Author: Splenetic School Cafeteria Goal In Life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38822111) |
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Date: September 11th, 2019 11:43 PM Author: Heady Massive Skinny Woman Work was just as bad. It's that everything else has become so much worse that work is so less tolerable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821855) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 1:36 AM Author: ocher persian feces CR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38822151) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 12:07 AM Author: carnelian address partner Duh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38821958) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 12:39 PM Author: adulterous crotch Work was terrible and lol @ "you weren't expected to be on 24/7." I remember before there were blackberries my mom getting calls at 3am because she was "on call" that evening (she was a DBA at a major company). She would run to her laptop and work until whenever.
The difference is that ITE has burned "one wrong move" into our skulls, so everyone is TERRIFIED that they could lose anything at any moment and end up with an ITE-like job-hunt (read: thousands of resumes sent, no real prospects or shitty prospects). That leads to a totally different work culture and view of work/career generally. If people were actually confident that if they did a good job they would be fine and if they lost their job for some reason they would quickly find something as good or better then the current perspective on modern work would be totally different. |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 1:26 PM Author: awkward autistic stag film internal respiration Your second paragraph is such a common theme now. I see it with all my colleagues. They'll bitch and moan about low pay but won't jump ship (some) in part bc of fear of LIFO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38823907) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 10:20 PM Author: adulterous crotch Tcr. And that impacts the whole market. Employees don't jump ship so employers realize they don't have to pay more or treat employees better to keep them. Before you know it, you end up surrounded by miserable people at a miserable job and wondering why things feel depressing. In short, this is why. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38827040) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 12:05 PM Author: ocher persian feces Translation: Gen X are pussies and slaves to boomers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38829008) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 12:06 PM Author: adulterous crotch That's kind of a lazy take. Boomers would have been pussies too if they were living in "one wrong move" world instead of "ah, if it doesn't work out I'll just get another job in a week with a raise without even having to really interview" world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38829017) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 3:00 PM Author: thirsty orange immigrant 80% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck and don’t have more than $1000 in their bank account. One wrong move isn’t just a humiliating state of affairs for the employee from an ego standpoint, it’s also the difference between having enough money to buy food and pay rent next month (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38829932) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 3:23 PM Author: adulterous crotch Perhaps, but I suspect that this was always true for that bottom 80%. The next 19% or so are middle and UMC and those are who I think have really seen their QOL and sense of stability go to shit.
To put it another way - both of my parents worked for decades in management level positions and both retired with pensions. Pretty much none of us expect that. |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 4:41 PM Author: awkward autistic stag film internal respiration Yea, not to mention that boomers are staying on longer and when they retire their positions are now mysteriously no longer needed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830425) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 5:44 PM Author: adulterous crotch Well yeah, "younger" boomers no longer have pensions.
We're all going to be working for as long as we can hang on for. |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 5:35 PM Author: deranged home "Employees" at "jobs" that require skills and strict resume filtering are like top 20% minimum. Seemingly every single job that isn't liberal arts pays like $60k minimum which is on par with average HHI. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830691) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 5:42 PM Author: irradiated newt employees jumping ship every few years and risking LIFO has become the norm over the last few years though, and massively increased since the boomers were our age (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830739) |
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Date: September 12th, 2019 12:43 PM Author: Seedy range wagecucks A partner told me he worked 3 times less before there was internet. They would have to mail or fax drafts back and forth and they would do one draft a day. Now he might send 3 drafts a day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38823691) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 3:28 PM Author: adulterous crotch You spent a lot more time on stupid shit like doing book research rather than a 2-second search on Google or Lexis, sitting around and waiting for doc delivery/faxes, etc. Now you can at least be at home waiting for an email on your phone. So yeah, productivity is much higher but time in the office isn't necessarily higher. And a lot of that "waiting around" time wasn't actually billable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830075) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 3:34 PM Author: Internet-worthy halford keepsake machete Hint: yes it was (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830099) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 3:36 PM Author: adulterous crotch Rather than argue about this, I'm just going to focus instead on the fact that you were sitting in some shitty office surrounded by shitty lawyers instead of at home with your friends and family. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830109) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 4:43 PM Author: coral blathering point new version 1600 hours would get you a bonus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830430) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 5:13 PM Author: adulterous crotch True. But the point is that you still spent quite a few evenings in the office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830571) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 5:25 PM Author: Copper Codepig Box Office But when you were not in the office, you were not in the office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830640) |
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Date: September 13th, 2019 5:36 PM Author: adulterous crotch I'd rather do what I do now, which is rarely be in the office even if I have to answer some emails in the evenings and weekends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4341963&forum_id=2#38830700) |