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As a Sienna owner, I finally get where TMF is coming from re: SUVs.

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Dupa
  11/07/19
I'm sorry for your lots
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/07/19
? The sienna is 180 man. I get it now. Driving around hig...
Dupa
  11/08/19
Dupa you are a VERY BIG MAN regardless
SomeOtherGhost
  11/08/19
my 1999 ford taurus sat higher up than his retarded car. pr...
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
how many cup holders does it have
fidelio
  11/08/19
Great question. I think 6 but I may be mistaken.
Dupa
  11/08/19
That's pathetic.
owl dood
  11/08/19
?
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
he's right. i have four in the front, probably two in the m...
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
I have like 8 in my 4 door midsize pickup
owl dood
  11/08/19
you getting any sleep? wife is due w our second in april, wh...
fidelio
  11/08/19
Real talk: pepper angus unless first is at least six years o...
.....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;
  11/08/19
thats what i was afraid of ljl. 1st one just turned 2. wife ...
fidelio
  11/08/19
Oh, you're sorely mistaken. https://www.caranddriver.com/...
~~(> ' ' )>
  11/08/19
how many cock holders does it have
biglaw associate asking if link is worksafe @ 11pm
  11/08/19
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SomeOtherGhost
  11/08/19
TMF is more of a grand caravan man
Morbidly Obese Sex Robot
  11/08/19
A distant last place in the minivan game.
Dupa
  11/08/19
Pacifica
ARE Reptile
  11/08/19
ofn. Tesla Model X or the rare R63 are my preferred minivan...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
I thought you liked the X6
Gitmo Detainee tearing up his HOPE poster
  11/08/19
X6 doesn't carry enough people to be a minivan.
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/09/19
So the Sienna is a few inches taller than the X6 but the X6 ...
N904PD
  11/08/19
It absolutely does not. X6 has 8.3 inches of ground clearan...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
TMF never not living up to his self selected moniker
fidelio
  11/08/19
fack
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
My favorite part of a sienna is the insane turning radius. I...
gibberish
  11/08/19
i just checked my truck, it has a 28.3 turning radius, which...
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
looks like the sienna can turn on 18.7'
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
no idea on BMWs, but "sDrive35i 4dr 4x2 Sports Activity...
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
lets go to ground clearance: 350 CC/LB: 7.9" Sienna...
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
https://www.edmunds.com/bmw/x6/2019/st-401773251/features-sp...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
wait im confused: the BMW X6 is a car or "activity coup...
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
it's just a stupid car. it deserves it's own category.
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
toyota builds a lot of their shit on the same platforms as t...
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
alright in weight the X6 comes out ahead: Sienna curb: 44...
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
towing: Sienna: 3500LB, properly equipped. X6: [is thi...
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
Why is this surprising? The X6 is the same platform as the ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
you probably should have gotten the non retarded looking one
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
What do you imagine the advantage would have been for me?
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
you would have a non-retarded looking car and it could also ...
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
I already have a Grand Cherokee for "hauling more shit&...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
you still bought a stupid looking car instead of a good look...
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
Except I need/want the ground clearance. The 550 offers no ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
you can get a decked out Ford Super Duty 2014-2016 for 35k. ...
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
My dog doesn't want to be in a truck bed. And if I was goi...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
you dodge around how stupid looking your car is
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
Mostly because it is a stupid topic to argue over. You can'...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
yea you're right (pontiac aztek owner)
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
Right, let's pick the most extreme example possible here. ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
X6 is the extreme example in the luxury car segment. i ...
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
Not really. In fact a bunch of people buy them specifically...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
Pretty impressive actually
gibberish
  11/08/19
on PRICE: BMW: starting at 64000 Sienna: 31560! Tha...
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
Now do X6 50i and add in all the packages.
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
TMF, i need some questions answered. the googles say the...
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
calm down faggot
.,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  11/08/19
why?
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
What? even my Jeep Grand Cherokee doesn't even have solid a...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
Do you have 4 low?
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
In the Jeep - yes. In the BMW - no. German SUVs hate 2...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
thats my definition of AWD/4x4
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
Then almost nothing has 4x4 anymore.
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
also lame on the GC. my 90s Cherokee was great
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
Yeah, so was mine, but a very different ride. The new ones ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
It's a great sport van but it's no HONDA ODYSSEY
clown boner
  11/08/19
HEAD TO HEAD MATCH UP REQUESTED
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
Just say no to minivans.
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/09/19
Bro, your car is pretty much the same thing. How are SUVs on...
Dupa
  11/09/19
Minivans have only one job: to move loads of people from poi...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/12/19
TOWING: Both at the standard 3500 nominal towing capacity. I...
Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success
  11/08/19
Do people actually tow with their minivan anyway?
ESL TM..,..;;.
  11/08/19
sure if you have stuff to tow.
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  11/08/19


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Date: November 7th, 2019 8:28 PM
Author: Dupa



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39087208)



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Date: November 7th, 2019 10:36 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

I'm sorry for your lots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39087825)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 7:31 AM
Author: Dupa

?

The sienna is 180 man. I get it now. Driving around higher up than other cars like a big man. You were right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088713)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 7:34 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost

Dupa you are a VERY BIG MAN regardless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088723)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:52 AM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


my 1999 ford taurus sat higher up than his retarded car. probably was also better in the snow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089225)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 7:35 AM
Author: fidelio

how many cup holders does it have

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088727)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 8:23 AM
Author: Dupa

Great question. I think 6 but I may be mistaken.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088788)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 8:29 AM
Author: owl dood

That's pathetic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088802)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:45 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089191)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:53 AM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


he's right. i have four in the front, probably two in the middle somewhere and two in the back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089229)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:55 AM
Author: owl dood

I have like 8 in my 4 door midsize pickup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089550)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 8:30 AM
Author: fidelio

you getting any sleep? wife is due w our second in april, what should I expect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088806)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:23 AM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


Real talk: pepper angus unless first is at least six years old and very easy going/naturally warm and nice. Even an easy second baby is a huge pain in the ass. But if you’re like us and your second is a colicky bad sleeper you will fantasize constantly about driving into traffic. And our oldest was literally a perfect child through out the entire process of his little brother’s infancy. I honestly think I would’ve been divorced and killed self if the oldest was a normal shitty, selfish three year old.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089392)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:00 PM
Author: fidelio

thats what i was afraid of ljl. 1st one just turned 2. wife is sahm tho, thank god

any advice?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089577)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:52 PM
Author: ~~(> ' ' )>

Oh, you're sorely mistaken.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g21527944/most-car-cupholders/?slide=6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090268)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 7:39 AM
Author: biglaw associate asking if link is worksafe @ 11pm (πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΈπŸ‘)

how many cock holders does it have

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088734)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 7:39 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088735)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 7:44 AM
Author: Morbidly Obese Sex Robot

TMF is more of a grand caravan man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088741)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 8:25 AM
Author: Dupa

A distant last place in the minivan game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088793)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 8:27 AM
Author: ARE Reptile

Pacifica

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088798)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 9:55 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

ofn. Tesla Model X or the rare R63 are my preferred minivans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089003)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 6:45 PM
Author: Gitmo Detainee tearing up his HOPE poster (Tax survivor)

I thought you liked the X6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39091242)



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Date: November 9th, 2019 12:25 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

X6 doesn't carry enough people to be a minivan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39092360)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 8:31 AM
Author: N904PD

So the Sienna is a few inches taller than the X6 but the X6 has almost TWO inches of additional ground clearance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39088808)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 9:58 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

It absolutely does not. X6 has 8.3 inches of ground clearance. Sienna has like 6.5.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089016)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:00 AM
Author: fidelio

TMF never not living up to his self selected moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089022)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:01 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

fack

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089024)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:01 AM
Author: gibberish

My favorite part of a sienna is the insane turning radius. It can almost make a circle in place. It's remarkable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089026)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:50 AM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

i just checked my truck, it has a 28.3 turning radius, which sounds absurdly low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089210)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:50 AM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

looks like the sienna can turn on 18.7'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089215)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:51 AM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

no idea on BMWs, but "sDrive35i 4dr 4x2 Sports Activity Coupe 2019 BMW X6 Specs"

gives a turning radius of 21'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089219)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:53 AM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

lets go to ground clearance:

350 CC/LB: 7.9"

Sienna: 6.6"

BMW: 8.1" !!!!! [surprised here]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089228)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 5:39 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

https://www.edmunds.com/bmw/x6/2019/st-401773251/features-specs/

8.3, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090968)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:54 AM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

wait im confused: the BMW X6 is a car or "activity coupe" not a SUV, please explain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089234)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:56 AM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


it's just a stupid car. it deserves it's own category.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089240)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 10:55 AM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


toyota builds a lot of their shit on the same platforms as the euro/azn models I think. that may have something to do with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089237)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:06 AM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

alright in weight the X6 comes out ahead:

Sienna curb: 4400-4700

X6: 4600-5100

but, i wanna say mine is 8700, but i cant find an exact curb weight for my age of truck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089312)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:08 AM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

towing:

Sienna: 3500LB, properly equipped.

X6: [is this right?] 6000LB? actually surprised if true, that'd be a class 3 hitch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089320)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:23 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Why is this surprising? The X6 is the same platform as the X5.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089386)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:23 AM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


you probably should have gotten the non retarded looking one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089390)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:25 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

What do you imagine the advantage would have been for me?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089398)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:26 AM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


you would have a non-retarded looking car and it could also haul more shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089401)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:27 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

I already have a Grand Cherokee for "hauling more shit". But yeah, if you need a traditional SUV then get an X5. Nothing wrong with that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089405)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:49 PM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


you still bought a stupid looking car instead of a good looking car. ppl see you driving and laugh at you for being stupid.

if you don't need to haul shit then buy a 550. you don't need "ground clearance" to drive around NJ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089737)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:29 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Except I need/want the ground clearance. The 550 offers no practical advantage for me. If I want to take my X6 skiing I confidently can regardless of conditions. A 550? Nah.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090191)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:31 PM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

you can get a decked out Ford Super Duty 2014-2016 for 35k.

more of EVERYTHING. dogs can be in the bed...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090196)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:32 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

My dog doesn't want to be in a truck bed. And if I was going that route I'd clearly go for a Raptor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090201)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:32 PM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


you dodge around how stupid looking your car is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090203)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:44 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Mostly because it is a stupid topic to argue over. You can't provide aesthetics. I like how it looks but some people hate it. I don't really care.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090247)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:35 PM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


yea you're right

(pontiac aztek owner)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090704)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:48 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Right, let's pick the most extreme example possible here.

Also, you drive a fucking minivan. Maybe cool it with the complaints that my X6 isn't cool looking enough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090771)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:49 PM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


X6 is the extreme example in the luxury car segment.

i don't drive a minivan. you might be esl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090777)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 5:38 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Not really. In fact a bunch of people buy them specifically because they love how it looks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090967)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:16 PM
Author: gibberish

Pretty impressive actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089619)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:09 AM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

on PRICE:

BMW: starting at 64000

Sienna: 31560!

That's right TWO for the price of ONE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089325)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:21 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Now do X6 50i and add in all the packages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089381)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:03 AM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

TMF, i need some questions answered.

the googles say the BMW X6 is AWD, not 4x4, is this true?

and -- does it have solid axles?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089283)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:09 AM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


calm down faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089323)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:09 AM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089327)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:21 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

What? even my Jeep Grand Cherokee doesn't even have solid axles anymore.

Go ahead and define AWD vs. 4x4.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089378)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:03 PM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

Do you have 4 low?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089586)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:05 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

In the Jeep - yes.

In the BMW - no.

German SUVs hate 2 speed transfer cases. Porsche Cayenne doesn't have it either. Mercedes recently brought it back for the GLE but it is an add-on package.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089593)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:10 PM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

thats my definition of AWD/4x4

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089608)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:45 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Then almost nothing has 4x4 anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090249)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:11 PM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

also lame on the GC. my 90s Cherokee was great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089611)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:31 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Yeah, so was mine, but a very different ride. The new ones have the same platform as the Mercedes ML, so the suspension went to an independent system. That said, I can't complain - it performs really well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090199)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 11:27 AM
Author: clown boner

It's a great sport van but it's no HONDA ODYSSEY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089402)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:28 PM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

HEAD TO HEAD MATCH UP REQUESTED

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089657)



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Date: November 9th, 2019 9:16 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Just say no to minivans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39095576)



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Date: November 9th, 2019 11:22 PM
Author: Dupa

Bro, your car is pretty much the same thing. How are SUVs on a unibody platform different than minivans?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39095852)



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Date: November 12th, 2019 9:13 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Minivans have only one job: to move loads of people from point A to point B. They are bad at everything else - speed, handling, dealing with crappy roads and weather, etc. My cars are the opposite of that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39105912)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 12:30 PM
Author: Andrew Jackson\'s record of tremendous success

TOWING: Both at the standard 3500 nominal towing capacity. I believe that gets you a popup camper or a 5x8 utility trailer (single axle) lightly loaded.

1 yard of dry soil will be 1 ton/2k LB, so you can carry home 1 yard, but it cant be wet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39089667)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 2:32 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

Do people actually tow with their minivan anyway?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090204)



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Date: November 8th, 2019 4:35 PM
Author: .,,,..,,...,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


sure if you have stuff to tow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4378138&forum_id=2#39090707)