to what extent will you emphasize education for your kids?
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Date: December 11th, 2019 12:12 PM Author: Vermilion medicated ratface kitchen
zero
same number of kids i will have
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39248019) |
Date: December 11th, 2019 12:14 PM Author: Trip international law enforcement agency sanctuary
XO: "ugh grr the Jews control everything hate those guys lol"
Jews: always striving
XO: "just do hvac!"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39248037) |
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Date: December 11th, 2019 12:19 PM Author: Trip international law enforcement agency sanctuary
You have to be dumb to think it's entirely some secret cabal.
Jews absolutely help other Jews, but this isn't anyone different than any other affinity group. For a long time, you couldn't become a cop in a number of cities unless you were Irish.
The difference is that Jews are also strivers who have better educational outcomes than non-Jews on average. That boosts their affinity hiring/networking more than if, say, they were all just cops.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39248112) |
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Date: December 12th, 2019 10:05 AM Author: Coral police squad business firm
"The correlation of traits by 60"
I think I see the issue. You don't understand what this means. A trait is something like height, IQ, being shy, liking salty food, skin color, etc. It isn't surprising at all that traits are very similar (with minor variations for shit like diet, exercise, whether you tan or not, etc.). That doesn't remotely mean that they earn similar amounts of money, for example.
"Iq is the top predictor of income"
Ok, so is this your new argument? That twins have very similar IQ and IQ = income? Because then we're having the exact argument we appear to be having and the twins studies don't demonstrate what you think they do.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39253732) |
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Date: December 12th, 2019 10:20 AM Author: Coral police squad business firm
"A life outcome is the result of a collection of traits, yes?"
Absolutely not. I have the same traits I have. If I had not met my wife I wouldn't go to law school because she is the one that got me into this. If I have a long lost twin they might be a car mechanic somewhere in Russia/Ukraine.
"Iq is the top predictor of income, yes?"
Not really. I would say education and background is the top predictor of income. Knowing that someone graduated from Columbia Law from a family of elite lawyers is more useful than knowing they have a 130 IQ. In general, GW Bush's or the Trump kids' IQs are self-evidently nothing remarkable. What do you think accounts for their success in life?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39253816) |
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Date: December 12th, 2019 9:55 AM Author: cobalt abnormal fat ankles
Fuck you making me look shit up. Read paragraph three closely and consider your argument.
The Three Laws of Behaviour Genetics
In 2000, the psychologist Eric Turkheimer concluded that the evidence from behavioral genetic data was consistent enough to summarize in three laws. The first law holds that all human traits are heritable (i.e., genetic differences account for phenotypic differences) to some degree. This assertion may not seem all that surprising today, although the word ‘all’ is still considered provocative by some. However, twin studies have produced copious data demonstrating that almost every trait is heritable to some degree or another.
The remaining two laws concern environmental influence. The second of these holds that the effect of being raised in the same family is smaller than the effect of genes. Judith Harris called attention to this theory in her 1998 book The Nurture Assumption, and was subsequently defended by Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker in The Blank Slate. Pinker encouraged parents to stop fretting about what they had or had not done in order to turn their offspring into wonderful individuals. Parents, he argued, do not hold their children’s future in their hands, only their present. Pinker emphasized that parenthood remains an awesome ethical responsibility, and that it is important to give one’s child a childhood worth remembering. But parents cannot shape a child’s personalities and IQ as a sculptor fashions clay. As Dr. Nancy Segal has put it, homes do matter, but they do not make people alike.
The third law holds that a substantial portion of the variation in complex human behavioral traits is not accounted for by either the effects of the genes or families. In other words, while about 50 percent of the variation is due to the environment, this environmental effect does not come from the family. Instead, it may be produced by the wider culture, society, the neighborhood, school, peer-groups and friends, but also simply chance: random encounters or openings in the social hierarchy, cosmic rays that damage a piece of DNA, neurons that go zig instead of zag, and so on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39253669) |
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Date: December 12th, 2019 10:14 AM Author: Coral police squad business firm
"The traits that lead to life outcomes that they cover?"
Are you seriously this aspie? Walk around any large megacorp. Is it the highest IQ individuals that are making the most money? Or is it a combination of factors including background, education (protip: the people who went to top schools were inevitably from striver or super wealthy backgrounds), being at the right place at the right time, etc.
"Twins separated at birth end up in the same exact place in life. It's has zero impact what the family does in raising them (outside of extreme neglect)."
You keep repeating this but you haven't linked to anything saying this. You linked to stuff that I fundamentally agree with and have agreed with since the first post. Traits are inheritable. Outcomes are not. That's why you have plenty of successful parents and loser kids as well as the reverse.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39253780) |
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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:38 PM Author: naked olive voyeur pit
Siblings on average have only 50% similarity in genes and it doesn’t take scientific studies to know that siblings have vastly different personalities inherited from one or both parents. They are raised similarly, taught the same values etc. yet make radically different choices in life. Now why is that? What you identify as making a “choice” assumes more agency than I personally believe one has.
For example, I know a very wealthy boomer couple with 5 adult children. One got into drugs and committed suicide. 2 are very successful. 1 is a loser and 1 is a mediocre wagecuck. Now you may say the druggie who committed suicide made the wrong “choices” in life, but he went to the same schools as his siblings, hung out with the same people. Likely this brother made his poor “choices” because he has an addictive personality along with other unfortunate personality traits, as well as likely some mental illness, which also happens to run in the family. There is predisposition to make certain “choices” due to your genes. Both you and Mandy were born strivers and made striver choices as a result. I too was born a striver. I don’t believe I made “choices” with the guidance from my parents so much as just fulfilled my natural path or destiny. Somebody cannot be taught this personality trait if they just not strivers. This is getting philosophical, but I don’t believe humans have as much agency as they believe but they cannot accept that because then life becomes meaningless. By extension, if you cannot control the destiny of your children, then life’s arguably most meaningful activity (raising kids) becomes meaningless too. But if you can let go of that, then you can possibly just enjoy your kids for who they are.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39254661) |
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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:41 PM Author: Coral police squad business firm
There are a bunch of factors that come into play.
- Gender differences. Including both personalities and how parents raise them.
- Parents take different approaches with younger kids than older kids.
- Parents tend to become wealthier with time.
"Both you and Mandy were born strivers"
Mandy will have a good laugh if she reads this. She wasn't even going to go to college before meeting me, let alone go to law school and end up in a good in-house counsel position. We got married when her mom made a bet that I'd leave her rather than get married even if marriage meant she would promise to pay for college for her. She lost that bet and here we are. We influenced her younger sister heavily. But if it was up to her parents they would all be doing some combination of sales/yoga/living in their basement.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39254961)
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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:38 AM Author: swashbuckling space internal respiration
ill give them computer
see what happens
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39252753) |
Date: December 12th, 2019 12:47 AM Author: Bronze demanding famous landscape painting national
More into them developing good habits and time management skills. Things like setting goals and taking steps to achieve them will be emphasized. That type of habitual stuff is important can be instilled at a young age. Socratic method is prob helpful for young kids too...I see this white dude do it with his 5 year old daily on the subway and seems to walk him to outcomes and push his logic.
The grinding mentality isnt really helpful in the long run
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Date: December 12th, 2019 2:09 AM Author: shimmering queen of the night
I don't think you'll get many good answers on this board full of striver materialist faggots, a lot of which are children of 1st generation immigrants who came to this country solely for economic reasons. I have thought about this exact thing a lot lately, and my own experience with school was pure boredom. I think i actually got dumber every year. I tested 99th percentile in those iowa standard tests in elementary school and was never challenged in anything until my last year of undergrad. I'm retarded in a lot or ways and dont feel like i learned anything. It is a tremendously inefficient waste of time and led to me developing a lot of bad habits.
I would be happy home schooling my kids if i could find an outlet for them to be adequately socialized. Ideally they could grow up outside the system designed to churn out little mindless worker bees and then decide for themselves which path to take as adults.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39253037) |
Date: December 12th, 2019 11:52 AM Author: cobalt abnormal fat ankles
Twin Lessons: Have More Kids. Pay Less Attention to Them
Nine years ago my wife had her first sonogram. The technician seemed to be asking routine questions: “How long have you been pregnant?” “Twelve weeks.” “Any family history of genetic diseases?” “No.” “Any family history of twins?” “No.” Then she showed us the screen. “Well, you’re having twins.” My wife and I were scared. We were first-time parents. How were we supposed to raise two babies at the same time?
Strangely enough, I already knew a lot about twins. I’d been an avid consumer of twin research for years. Identical twins (like ours turned out to be) share all their genes; fraternal twins share only half. Researchers in medicine, psychology, economics, and sociology have spent decades comparing these two types of twins to disentangle the effects of nature and nurture. But as our due date approached, none of my book learning seemed remotely helpful.
Only after our twins were born did I gradually realize how much I was missing. Twin researchers rarely offer parenting advice. But much practical guidance is implicit in the science.
The most prominent conclusion of twin research is that practically everything—health, intelligence, happiness, success, personality, values, interests—is partly genetic. The evidence is straightforward: Identical twins are more similar than fraternal twins in almost every way—even when the twins are separated at birth. But twin research has another far more amazing lesson: With a few exceptions, the effect of parenting on adult outcomes ranges from small to zero. Parents change kids in many ways; the catch is that the changes fade out as kids grow up. By adulthood, identical twins aren’t slightly more similar than fraternal twins; they’re much more similar. And when identical twins are raised apart, they’re often just as similar as they are when they’re raised together.
Once I became a dad, I noticed that parents around me had a different take on the power of nurture. I saw them turning parenthood into a chore—shuttling their kids to activities even the kids didn’t enjoy, forbidding television, desperately trying to make their babies eat another spoonful of vegetables. Parents’ main rationale is that their effort is an investment in their children’s future; they’re sacrificing now to turn their kids into healthy, smart, successful, well-adjusted adults. But according to decades of twin research, their rationale is just, well, wrong. High-strung parenting isn’t dangerous, but it does make being a parent a lot more work and less fun than it has to be.
The obvious lesson to draw is that parents should lighten up. I call it “Serenity Parenting”: Parents need the serenity to accept the things they cannot change, the courage to change the things they can, and (thank you twin research) the wisdom to know the difference. Focus on enjoying your journey with your child, instead of trying to control his destination. Accept that your child’s future depends mostly on him, not your sacrifices. Realize that the point of discipline is to make your kid treat the people around him decently—not to mold him into a better adult. I can’t say that I completely convinced my wife on any of these points, but we made reasonable compromises—and we found that raising twins was a lot of fun.
I freely admit there are some sacrifices that parents can’t responsibly avoid. Someone had to feed our infant twins in the middle of the night, and that someone was me. The key point to keep in mind is that twin research focuses on vaguely normal families in the First World. It doesn’t claim that kids would do equally well if they were raised by wolves or abandoned in Haiti. But look on the bright side: If you are a vaguely normal family in the First World, the science of nature and nurture shows that you can lighten up a lot without hurting your kids.
Serenity Parenting changed our lives. We used the Ferber method—let the kid cry for 10 minutes, briefly comfort him, repeat—to get our twins to sleep through the night. We enrolled them in an activity or two, but they spent a lot more time watching cartoons while we relaxed. Our family specialized in activities that were literally “fun for the whole family”: reading books together, playing dodgeball in the basement, going to the pool for a swim. If “Lighten up” was the only practical lesson of twin research, my reading had more than paid for itself.
Yet eventually I noticed that twin research had another, far less obvious lesson for parents: Have more kids. When you ask high-effort parents if they want another child, the thought often frightens them. They’re already tired and stressed from the kids they’ve got; how could they endure the sacrifices required to raise one more? I reversed this argument. Others’ belief in the power of nurture made them reluctant to have more kids. My disbelief in the power of nurture, by the same logic, made me eager to have more kids.
Parents who don’t take twin research seriously are “overcharging” themselves for every child—not financially, but emotionally. The blatant lesson of twin research is to stop overcharging yourself. Its subtle lesson is to rethink the number of children you want to have. When you learn that something you want is cheaper than you thought, both common sense and basic economics tell you to buy more.
This argument didn’t immediately win my wife over. But seven years after our first sonogram, we found ourselves back in the doctor’s office. Only this time, I was hoping for twins. If you imagine that your children’s future rests in your hands, you could spend every waking minute (and many half-asleep hours) trying to mold them to perfection. Once you accept the lessons of twin research, life looks very different. As it turned out, the sonogram showed that my wife was carrying one beautiful baby boy, for whom we are most grateful. But I can’t help but hope that one day we’ll give our three sons a baby sister.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39254299) |
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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:06 PM Author: Coral police squad business firm
The habits that the article addresses are ridiculous. They're talking about micromanagement, making sure every second of every day is spent doing the "right" thing (watching the right thing, participating in the right activities, etc.). I agree that this is silly and pointless.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399162&forum_id=2#39254421)
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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:05 PM Author: naked olive voyeur pit
I agree with you. I find those who insist on nurture more than nature tend to have 0-1 kid. Not a surprise TMF with no parenting experience is arguing the opposite of you. Anyone can see how differently siblings in the same household turn out as adults despite being raised the same way. My son has great impulse control (says after half a cookie he’s full). That will serve him well in life. My daughter has much poorer impulse control. Nothing I can really do to change these things. If you don’t have a STEM minded child, nothing you can do to force them to be a software engineer. My goal is to help them identify their strengths and weaknesses and encourage strengths. I also want to teach them to be financially savvy. Education is not that important, unless they can actually get into the type of schools that will open doors, which I assume they won’t. Even working hard isn’t that important because plenty of people toil endlessly without results.
Incidentally, I am a fan of Bryan Caplan, who has written 2 books on these topics, one about how education is overrated and two about how people should have more kids and when they do, they relax and understand that hyper parenting does not work:
Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids: Why Being a Great Parent is Less Work and More Fun Than You Think
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465028616/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_0dN8DbH2C98BS
The Case against Education: Why the Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691196451/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_flN8Db9W2G90N
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