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The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment The Democratic grounds...
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not picking on the wsj. Point is, sane appeals to rationalit...
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tough, but fair If Trump is Sulla so be it
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Bad comparison. Sulla was pretty competent
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Under 45 here. Still give a shit about non-insane things.
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so the level of corruption depends on its efficacy?
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Date: December 12th, 2019 11:44 AM
Author: marvelous indirect expression

The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

The Democratic grounds for ousting Trump are weak—and damaging to constitutional norms.

By The Editorial Board

Dec. 11, 2019 7:15 pm ET

Opinion: Democrats Shrink Impeachment to Two Weak Articles

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Opinion: Democrats Shrink Impeachment to Two Weak Articles

Opinion: Democrats Shrink Impeachment to Two Weak Articles

Bribery, extortion and other claims vanish as Democrats narrow their articles of impeachment and include no violations of law. Image: J. Scott Applewhite/AP

So that’s it? That’s all there is? After all the talk of obstruction of justice, collusion with Russia, bribery, extortion, profiting from the Presidency, and more, House Democrats have reduced their articles of impeachment against President Trump to two: abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Honey, we shrunk the impeachment.

Democrats on the Judiciary Committee will vote as early as Thursday on the text of the two articles they unveiled Tuesday, and then they will rush it to the floor next week. It’s enough to suspect that Democrats understand they are offering the weakest case for impeachment since Andrew Johnson, that the public isn’t convinced, and so they simply want to get it over with.

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At least Johnson was impeached for violating a specific statute, the Tenure of Office Act, by firing Edwin Stanton as Secretary of War. There was wide agreement that Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton violated criminal statutes. In this case Democrats don’t even try to allege a criminal act.

Democrats Shrink Their Case For Impeachment

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Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Mr. Trump’s Ukraine interventions. They had turned to those words after focus groups with voters found them more compelling than “quid pro quo.” Yet suddenly they’re gone. Have Democrats concluded that Mr. Trump’s actions aren’t illegal under statutes that have specific meaning?

Democrats have retreated instead to charge “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Mr. Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

We don’t condone Mr. Trump’s mention of Joe Biden in his call to Ukraine’s President, which was far from perfect and reflects his often bad judgment. But “abuse of power” on this evidence is a new and low standard for impeachment that will come back to haunt future Presidents of all parties.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Mr. Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

The second Democratic article is weaker in that it amounts to impeaching Mr. Trump because he is resisting their subpoenas. “Without lawful cause or excuse, President Trump directed Executive Branch agencies, offices and officials not to comply with those subpoenas,” the article charges.

His lawful cause is defending his presidential powers under the Constitution. Every modern President has to some extent or another resisted Congressional or special-counsel subpoenas. Nixon and Mr. Clinton did until they lost at the Supreme Court. House Democrats are refusing even to fight in court, claiming impeachment gives them plenary power to see all documents and any witnesses they want.

This ignores that the Constitution stipulates co-equal branches that each have the right to defend their powers. If Democrats are right in their claim, then every President essentially works for Congress. We should skip elections and let Congress choose the President.

Democrats also claim the emergency of time, and as usual Rep. Adam Schiff puts this case in the least credible way. “The argument ‘why don’t you just wait?’ amounts to this: Why don’t you just let [Mr. Trump] cheat in one more election? Why not let him cheat just one more time?,” Mr. Schiff told the press as the articles were unveiled.

But Mr. Trump didn’t cheat to win in 2016, as Robert Mueller’s Russia collusion investigation demonstrated after two years of looking. As for 2020, the Constitution includes no clause for pre-emptive impeachment to prevent acts that a President might commit.

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Democrats wrap these charges in high-toned rhetoric about “this solemn day” and quotes from Benjamin Franklin. But they are essentially impeaching Mr. Trump because they despise him and the way he governs.

This is the classic standard of “maladministration,” which the Founders explicitly considered but excluded from the Constitution as grounds for impeachment. They did so because they feared that partisan Congresses would too easily impeach Presidents of the opposite political faction on this subjective basis, rather than for serious offenses.

In their wisdom, the American people seem to have figured all this out. Despite one-sided lobbying by the impeachment press, the polls show that a majority opposes removing Mr. Trump from office. This may be the real explanation behind the Democratic move to shrink impeachment. Democrats now want a fast and furious vote to satisfy their most anti-Trump partisans, dump the mess on the Senate, and campaign on something else.

They shouldn’t get off that easy. By defining impeachment down, they are turning what should be a rare and extraordinary constitutional remedy into a routine tool of partisan warfare. They are harming constitutional norms, as the liberals like to say.

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Mr. Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254253)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 11:47 AM
Author: comical selfie fanboi

WSJ is so outdated it feels like reading something from the 18th C.

Boomers will be dead soon and no one cares about "norms" or precedent or using "reasons" to prosecute or defend Trump. Team blue has the votes or they don't, fuck the other side by any means available.

Red or blue fascism is coming the moment the last WSJ-reading boomer feels a pang in his chest. No one gives a fuck about this nonsense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254267)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 11:48 AM
Author: Fuchsia shaky hall international law enforcement agency

fuck the dems, fuck the gop, fuck the constitution...fuck the media

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254274)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 11:59 AM
Author: Lascivious site circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254354)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 11:55 AM
Author: alcoholic philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254320)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 11:59 AM
Author: anal business firm turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254358)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:24 PM
Author: Alcoholic Chestnut Ladyboy

Dumb take

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254578)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:26 PM
Author: purple metal state

CR. WSJ is literally the last bastion of sane main stream journalism in this country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254587)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:41 PM
Author: comical selfie fanboi

not picking on the wsj. Point is, sane appeals to rationality and found-father precedent have lost all cogency to anyone under 45. The left abandoned giving a fuck about what the FFs would think two generations ago, and zoomer right-wingers arent inhibited by "constitutional" concerns either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254672)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:43 PM
Author: purple metal state

tough, but fair

If Trump is Sulla so be it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254683)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 2:12 PM
Author: Insanely creepy yellow parlour

Bad comparison. Sulla was pretty competent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260556)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:02 PM
Author: Sienna nursing home double fault

This is half right. To the young left, by any means necessary is their modus operandi. The young right are still softbatch cucks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254770)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:41 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Rebellious Love Of Her Life Background Story

Under 45 here. Still give a shit about non-insane things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261178)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:27 PM
Author: heady rigor



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Date: December 13th, 2019 12:57 PM
Author: Shimmering razzle meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260032)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 11:49 AM
Author: french stirring principal's office

Perfect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254280)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 11:54 AM
Author: Wonderful Cocky Kitchen Fat Ankles



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Date: December 12th, 2019 11:55 AM
Author: alcoholic philosopher-king

trump will never be impeached now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254322)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 11:58 AM
Author: Onyx Temple Hissy Fit



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:03 PM
Author: henna costumed roast beef feces



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:26 PM
Author: Emerald hairraiser mediation



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:28 PM
Author: wild iridescent hell twinkling uncleanness

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254601)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:36 PM
Author: Multi-colored national security agency

this is the bulk of what makes the idiot dems look so stupid

"As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Mr. Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think. "

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254651)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:38 PM
Author: purple metal state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254660)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:45 PM
Author: Vibrant institution

so the level of corruption depends on its efficacy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254691)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 12:55 PM
Author: Bisexual Odious Lodge Kitty Cat

titcr. That's a really shitty argument. Dems are arguing that Trump crafted a foreign policy position purely for personal purposes (and to the detriment of the US). Whether Trump's political instincts are good or not shouldn't matter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254747)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:00 PM
Author: Multi-colored national security agency

how is it to the detriment of the us to find out if a high ranking politician is a dirty piece of shit? your side has spent millions of dollars trying in vain to prove that exact point

was that to benefit the usa or the dnc? same fucking thing, except biden's corruption is staring everyone in the face and trump's is nonexistent even after lying and cheating to get spy warrants on him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254767)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:03 PM
Author: Sienna nursing home double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254774)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:04 PM
Author: Bisexual Odious Lodge Kitty Cat

I'm not digging in to this silly deflection. My point is that the paragraph you cited in the article is a shitty argument. The legal argument for the dems' charge is not dependent on the effectiveness of Trump's political strategy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254782)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:12 PM
Author: Sienna nursing home double fault

Blown the fuck out and sprinting for hills

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254813)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 6:29 PM
Author: Tantric Rigpig Really Tough Guy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39256393)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 1:08 PM
Author: Mildly autistic useless brakes potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260081)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 1:41 PM
Author: charismatic indian lodge party of the first part



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:13 PM
Author: Adventurous flickering piazza faggotry

>> The legal argument for the dems' charge is not dependent on the effectiveness of Trump's political strategy. <<

cr, I believe that in legal circles it's referred to as "Orange Man Bad"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254817)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:38 PM
Author: motley prole digit ratio

Fair minded bort moderates know better than to dig into silly deflections

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254946)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:12 PM
Author: deranged death wish

What few of us are left

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261588)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 1:05 PM
Author: Ruby degenerate mother

"I'm not digging in to this silly deflection"

Because it absolutely gaped you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260067)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:11 PM
Author: deranged death wish

Thank you fir trying to keep the ship from crashing into irrelevance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261586)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:11 PM
Author: ebony personal credit line genital piercing



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:14 PM
Author: anal business firm turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254824)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:18 PM
Author: underhanded federal elastic band abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254841)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:19 PM
Author: racy gay wizard ticket booth

libs????

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254844)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:35 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Bronze Address

so cr.

if Trump asked Ukraine to invent evidence against Joe Biden, that would be a problem. but if Trump asks Ukraine to investigate incredibly shitty conduct by Hunter Biden, that benefits the US.

recall that Horowitz just emphasized how low the bar is for DOJ to open an investigation: it takes only "articulable facts." here Trump has motherfucking video tape of Joe Biden boasting about shadiness. it's in the US best interests to know what happened.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254935)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:40 PM
Author: Adventurous flickering piazza faggotry

cr, and note that:

1. nobody is alleging Trump did anything with respect to any other candidates, even the frontrunners. he only asked them to look into it wrt Hunter and Joe, and there honestly is a reasonable suspicion of corruption there

2. nobody on the dem side is digging into the benefits they thought this provided Trump. like, wouldn't you call witnesses or otherwise provide evidence that (i) Trump considered Biden to be the likely nominee, (ii) Trump had specific concerns related to Biden as an opponent, (iii) showed how Trump thought this would help him in an election outside of any ACTUAL corruption that might have been going on?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254956)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:44 PM
Author: motley prole digit ratio

Just more silly deflections, Trumptard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254974)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 4:50 PM
Author: Bisexual Odious Lodge Kitty Cat

None of you are even responding to what I said. It's a simple LSAT LR prompt and you guys are choosing the answer that goes way off tangent. The WSJ's argument in that paragraph is awful, even if you think impeachment is improper. It's Xo 2019

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39255868)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 1:09 PM
Author: Ruby degenerate mother

"Why won't you guys entertain my bushit premise?!?!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260087)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:13 PM
Author: deranged death wish

Lol.

Only on xoxo is that even a valid attack.

“WHY WON’T YOU ENGAFE ME SHITLIB!?!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261593)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:22 PM
Author: Bisexual Odious Lodge Kitty Cat

Yeah, it's pointless. These guys can't see beyond some dumb binary political argument. I don't even think impeachment is a good idea. I'm just pointing out that that paragraph is an awful argument.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261619)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:44 PM
Author: french stirring principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254976)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 5:07 PM
Author: Smoky Public Bath

corn pop was a bad dude

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39255957)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 1:20 PM
Author: Lavender stag film

I'm not sure if it's more embarrassing for Trumpmos that they earnestly defend Shokin as a corruption fighting do-gooder that was unfairly railroaded (by his own government, and 30+ other governments, all of whom amply demonstrated that he was a nakedly corrupt piece of shit who didn't show the slightest interest in investigating Burisma or anyone else), or that they want to hold up a dumbass like Carter Page as an innocent American citizen who had his civil rights abused and pretend he is not a Putinite who reflexively favors Russia over the U.S., and who would crawl over broken glass to get his hands on Russian oil money. The entire premise of the GOP's defenses of Trump in both Ukraine and Mueller boil down to "our side's too dumb to follow this very closely and notice that we're defending a parade of relentless scumbags in order to protect Trump."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260165)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 1:54 PM
Author: Sienna nursing home double fault

Thanks for your input Pradeep

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260367)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 2:01 PM
Author: Lavender stag film

(guy who is too dumb to follow any of this closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260437)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 2:05 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Bronze Address

where is that coming from? Horowitz showed BARD that government lawyers lied and lied and lied and lied about Page -- including altering documents -- in secret papers filed with a secret court to get the right to spy on Page. how is that not having his civil rights abused?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260491)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 2:22 PM
Author: Lavender stag film

Oh boohoo the guy who was already caught redhanded passing information to Russian intelligence in 2014 had the FBI gunning hard for him after he spent the next two years continuing to relentlessly shill for Putin and then tried to loop the Trump campaign in on his corruption-seeking trip to Russia in July 2016.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/05/why_carter_page_was_worth_watching_433391.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260662)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:22 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Bronze Address

if you've been flaming, i admit you duped me. congrats.

if you're serious, i hoap you realize that you've linked to the type of typical media bullshit that Horowitz has blown of the water.

that author, Luke Harding, has made a career out of pushing the most extreme form of "Trump colluded!" and "Trump's a Russian agent!" bullshit. Harding's credibility should have been zero all along, and should have been over at least by when the Mueller Report came out. now that the Horowitz Report is out, Harding should be ashamed to show his face in public and The Guardian should issue an apology and retraction.

to start at the top, it trashes the famous Nunes Memo -- when the Horowitz report massively validated that memo and proved that Schiff's memo was just lies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261092)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:26 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Bronze Address

next how about this graf. remember as you read his incredulous descriptoin of how Page was described in the Nunes Memo that Horowitz was going to validate Nunes on this point.

"Most remarkable was the unlikely hero at the center of this national row, Carter Page. The memo alleged that the bureau bugged his communications after deliberately duping the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. Not only that but using supposedly flawed material supplied by Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence officer whose dossier accused Trump of consorting with Russian president and former KGB operative Vladimir Putin. But who exactly was Carter Page? And were there, in fact, genuine reasons why the FBI might have ground for suspecting him?"

take another look at that sentence:

"The memo alleged that the bureau bugged his communications after deliberately duping the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court."

Nunes was right. That author was a bootlicker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261111)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:30 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Bronze Address

or consider this graf in light of what Horowitz proved about the uselessness of Steele's information:

"According to the Steele dossier —vehemently disputed by Page and subsequently rubbished by Nunes, and Republicans —the real purpose of Page’s trip was clandestine. He had come to meet with the Kremlin. And in particular with Igor Sechin. Sechin was a former spy and, more importantly, someone who commanded Putin’s absolute confidence. He was in effect Russia’s second most powerful official, its de facto deputy leader."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261127)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:33 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Bronze Address

consider how he treats what we now know were 4 corrupt FISA apps. he holds them up as unimpeachable proof that Page did the things we now know he did not do:

The FBI presented its evidence before a secret tribunal— the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance, or FISA, court, which handles sensitive national security cases. The bureau argued that there were strong grounds to believe that Page was acting as a Russian agent. The judge agreed. From this point on, the FBI was able to access Page’s electronic communications. An initial ninety-day warrant was later renewed.

As the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday, Steele’s research formed only part of the application. Four separate federal judges approved these renewals. All were appointed by Republican presidents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261150)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:34 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Bronze Address

this part is lulsy too. that author cites the Reid conversation and the Yahoo article as if they are independent of the shitty Steele dossier being pushed by Fusion/Steele. it was Steele himself who planted the Yahoo story to independently verify -- Steele himself.

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In the classified briefing to congressional leaders in late August 2016 Page’s name figured prominently. The CIA and FBI were sifting through a mound of intercept material featuring Page, much of it “Russians talking to Russians,” according to one former National Security Council member. When Senate minority leader Harry Reid wrote to Comey in early autumn, he cited “disturbing” contacts between a Trump adviser and “high-ranking sanctioned individuals.” That was Page. And Sechin.

These embarrassing details surfaced in a report by Yahoo! News. Within hours, the Trump campaign had disavowed Page—casting him out as a nobody who had exaggerated his links to Trump. All of which made his subsequent rehabilitation by Nunes more bizarre. Page exited the campaign in late September. It was an inglorious end, and his troubles were just beginning. Steele’s Rosneft source was right. In early December—less than a month after Trump won the White House—Rosneft announced it was selling 19.5 percent of its stock. This was one of the biggest privatizations since the 1990s and, on the face of it, a vote of confidence in the Russian economy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261160)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:14 PM
Author: deranged death wish

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261594)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:27 PM
Author: gold bat-shit-crazy doctorate tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261115)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 1:05 PM
Author: grizzly exhilarant mental disorder

Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260065)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:45 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Rebellious Love Of Her Life Background Story

"Dems are arguing that Trump crafted a foreign policy position purely for personal purposes (and to the detriment of the US)."

I have a question for you about this. Doesn't this framing depend on (a) an assumption that nothing at all nefarious went on in relation to Ukraine, Biden, or the 2016 election, and/or (b) that Trump did not legitimately believe that anything nefarious went on?

I mean, if Trump legitimately believed (or even thought it was a realistic possibility) that Biden used his power as VP to force Ukraine to help his son, or that some sort of election interference happened in relation to a server in Ukraine, then asking for an investigation is not "purely personal purposes" right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261188)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:54 PM
Author: Adventurous flickering piazza faggotry

likewise, let's say the dems DO think it was purely personal and to attack Biden. then, as i said above, wouldn't they want to call witnesses to testify to that fact, such as the president's concern for Biden as a candidate, that he believed Biden would be the eventual nominee, how an "investigation" would help, timing for the election, etc.? Like, if this was Trump's plan, surely there would be something to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261224)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:09 PM
Author: motley prole digit ratio

This is exactly what we would expect a Russian agent would say

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261291)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:40 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Rebellious Love Of Her Life Background Story

Well, I think the Dems know this is going nowhere and want to get it over with (regardless of whether they believe in the underlying charge)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261455)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:04 PM
Author: Bisexual Odious Lodge Kitty Cat

"I mean, if Trump legitimately believed (or even thought it was a realistic possibility) that Biden used his power as VP to force Ukraine to help his son, or that some sort of election interference happened in relation to a server in Ukraine, then asking for an investigation is not "purely personal purposes" right?"

There's testimony that all the administration wanted was an announcement of an investigation, which tends to show that the scheme to withhold aid was merely to benefit his campaign and in no way related to rooting out corruption as a matter of foreign policy. I think the emissaries used to carry out this scheme also evidence the personal purpose behind the scheme. I don't think impeachment is worth it, only because Congress is not a court. There's no detailed process or precedent for impeachment or any judge to ensure that these rules are followed. So the process devolves into a pointless political food fight.

But again, my post above has nothing to do with that. I responded above to point out how shitty that paragraph in the WSJ op-ed is. Whether you think a defendant's criminal conduct would have benefited him in the long run or have been likely to succeed does not bear on whether the conduct was criminal or not. It's an awful defense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261559)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:45 PM
Author: Multi-colored national security agency

lol, this is deranged

you said libs are arguing it was for purely personal purposes and then you use arguments such as

"all the administration wanted was an announcement of an investigation", lol bullshit. they wanted the investigation and the announcement. so what?

actually, intent is often an extremely good defense to a criminal defense.

you lame ass dems are trying to exclude all other reasonable possibilities as if removing a president is supposed to occur at reasonable suspicion/rational basis level of scrutiny with the accuser getting all benefit of the doubt. stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261745)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 4:44 PM
Author: Swashbuckling well-lubricated tanning salon

u idiots realize the point wasnt to do an actual fair investigation into the bidens, it was to say u are doing one then drum up some bullshit allegations to hurt biden even more

u guys are really this dumb?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39255850)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 4:57 PM
Author: ebony personal credit line genital piercing

(dood who believes Adam Schitt's made-up retelling of the Trump-Ukraine call)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39255895)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:17 PM
Author: deranged death wish

Please point to a single thread where Trump Suppoters were ever logical or even rational?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261602)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 5:06 PM
Author: green mexican giraffe

And also the whole Biden is corrupt point ....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39255947)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:17 PM
Author: underhanded federal elastic band abode

*mariah carey sings*

All I want for Christmas is...President Pence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254835)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 1:40 PM
Author: Saffron bonkers property

Cons: holy shit we love op-eds now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39254957)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 12:56 PM
Author: Cerebral up-to-no-good pistol crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260024)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:11 PM
Author: Lascivious site circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261299)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:24 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Bronze Address

key difference: that one's fact-based.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39261370)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 4:34 PM
Author: alcoholic philosopher-king

LTM and Bart are correct and WSJ are 112iq polisci shitheads. sorry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39255799)



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Date: December 12th, 2019 5:09 PM
Author: green mexican giraffe

TRUMP or a proxy should address the senate and detail all of Biden’s corruption.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39255968)



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Date: December 13th, 2019 1:07 PM
Author: grizzly exhilarant mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4399882&forum_id=2#39260076)