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Could the US win a war against Russia+Iran+China?

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geriatric black woman
  01/24/20
Conventional war we ruin both easy. Nobody wins a nuclear wa...
poppy flirting fortuitous meteor dingle berry
  01/24/20
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startled pocket flask
  01/25/20
Pretty sure ARE Reptile said we could.
Maroon blood rage
  01/24/20
Depends what type of war. Naval and air we might win. Land w...
Sienna provocative casino affirmative action
  01/24/20
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geriatric black woman
  01/25/20
What about land war in America?
Scarlet Hall Patrolman
  01/25/20
None of those countries have the ability to project power in...
arrogant garrison cuckoldry
  01/25/20
Totally agree. That's why US military spending is so insane...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
I mean all Russia would really need to do is fly one brave c...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/25/20
I mean, obviously biological warfare (which is what we're ta...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
Bio warfare is a major step ABOVE nuclear war.
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
No
Soul-stirring pervert
  01/25/20
Yes
Soul-stirring pervert
  01/25/20
You can fight a war with bio weapons that will effectively b...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
Ok, then 15 minutes later I very major city in Russia and Ch...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
Or is covered in anthrax. Same deal.
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
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arrogant garrison cuckoldry
  01/25/20
No
Cerise hideous pistol
  01/25/20
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Smoky dopamine cruise ship
  01/25/20
Yankeestan literally lost a war to the Taliban with no Great...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/25/20
lol. The Russians had a literal land corridor into Afghanist...
arrogant garrison cuckoldry
  01/25/20
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doobsian tripping university
  01/25/20
They could do it, it is just a question of how much they wer...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
and they had 100,000 troops in Afghanistan
Trip Yellow Point
  01/25/20
And the US had over 500k in Vietnam in 1968 to hold territor...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
That is an obscene number when you think about how little st...
arrogant garrison cuckoldry
  01/26/20
LOL, we've got like 8k troops in Afghanistan, and we can kee...
Maroon blood rage
  01/25/20
Not true. The US had pulled out all troops 3 years earlier, ...
Trip Yellow Point
  01/25/20
Ok, but the enemy still took the friendly capital city to an...
Maroon blood rage
  01/25/20
We still militarily dominated Vietnam. The haphazard withdra...
glittery overrated doctorate gas station
  01/25/20
The Soviet Union never actually lost battles either. It was...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
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glittery overrated doctorate gas station
  01/25/20
You faggots lost Iraq too. Do I really need to keep going? Y...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/25/20
In the same way the USSR lost Afghanistan.
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
Russia won in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and Syria since. Tr...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/25/20
Also, Russia's man is winning in Libya, the US wasn't able t...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
Venezuela really was the best of all the recent proxy fights...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/25/20
But the other side of that is that Russia was horrifically o...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
All of those conflicts were dirt cheap. Libya has maybe 500 ...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/25/20
US has based all over planet earth. We’ve taken based ...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
??? Iraq was a (messy) victory
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
If by victory you mean Iran largely controls the place and t...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
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appetizing toilet seat lettuce
  01/26/20
the us has the capability to level both countries’ cap...
doobsian tripping university
  01/25/20
Russia has literally ten cruise missiles for every 1 America...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/25/20
california’s gdp is 2x higher than russia’s. per...
doobsian tripping university
  01/25/20
Yankeestan’s entire GDP is housing, healtcare and educ...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/25/20
LJL the chinks can’t get a single carrier in service t...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
I've partly come around to ARE Reptile's position on that is...
Maroon blood rage
  01/25/20
I'll go a step further. The US has a terrible track record ...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
Why would we ever have invade either country?
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
To truly beat them in a war right on their borders that's wh...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
Can’t bomb them into submission? Lol just lol if you t...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/26/20
I mean, nuclear war just means everyone wipes out everyone. ...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
Real answer: no one can win a nuclear war and it would 100% ...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
you’re sounding a lot like are reptile here, just sayi...
Trip Yellow Point
  01/25/20
Americans are retards when it comes to realism and wars. Ar...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
Even MacArthur (legit greatest and most revered general in U...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
MacArthur isn’t close to the best US General.
razzmatazz address sound barrier
  01/25/20
You say that thanks to the smear campaign against him. He wa...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
Yes, and? Decades have passed since then.
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/25/20
And?
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/26/20
We've gone from realizing that there are limits to US power ...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
We are the only superpower but I think we all know that ther...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/26/20
The problem is that I don't think we "all know." ...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
Of course. Our navy and Air Force could wipe the floor with ...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
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Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
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Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
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Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/25/20
No.
Crystalline philosopher-king
  01/25/20
Where is the entire question. Even in conventional warfare,...
Jet razzle set brethren
  01/25/20
EXPLAIN how the US could lose to China in the South China Se...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/26/20
China could theoretically invade Taiwan under cover of its l...
arrogant garrison cuckoldry
  01/26/20
Letting China annex Taiwan is not a “war” with t...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/26/20
Its the equivalent of a loss in the Pacific. Our allies in A...
arrogant garrison cuckoldry
  01/26/20
If we started to lose a fight over Taiwan we would just nuke...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/26/20
lol at thinking we'd nuke china over taiwan did we nuke r...
appetizing toilet seat lettuce
  01/26/20
Did we have a security pact with Ukraine? If we didn&rsqu...
doobsian tripping university
  01/26/20
ur retarded i get it u.s uses nukes first in anything sho...
appetizing toilet seat lettuce
  01/27/20
(Kenneth Waltz)
doobsian tripping university
  01/27/20
i bet china would have a horrific time conquering china. the...
doobsian tripping university
  01/26/20
LJL no. Taiwan is very poorly armed and their military is fi...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/26/20
Thoughts? https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china-could...
doobsian tripping university
  01/26/20
Taiwan has seven Patriot missile battalions. 24 missiles to ...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/26/20
And Russia really only has half the missiles it really needs...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/26/20
Taiwan can’t feed itself in peace time. LJL at any pro...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/26/20
You might be right but only because maybe only the United St...
doobsian tripping university
  01/26/20
if Canada joins USA, sure!
demanding chartreuse spot jew
  01/26/20
The real answer is this: We have absolutely NO idea how c...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/26/20
(Russian minister poasting on Feb 7, 1904)
arrogant garrison cuckoldry
  01/26/20
wtf does this even mean?
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/26/20
lol sorry, too obscure. The Russians went to war with the...
arrogant garrison cuckoldry
  01/26/20
TBF this was entirely because Russia got her ships from Fran...
Sepia Genital Piercing
  01/26/20
Their strategy was also SPS
arrogant garrison cuckoldry
  01/26/20
That's not comparable at all. Imperial Russia is more analog...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/26/20
how so?
avocado resort death wish
  01/26/20
Russia was a declining second or third tier power at the tim...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/26/20
I was using it as a lesson in not underestimating your oppon...
arrogant garrison cuckoldry
  01/26/20
I bet the us knows almost precisely what China and Russia ca...
doobsian tripping university
  01/26/20
"we don't now how long they could maintain a supply cha...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
I didn't say they could. I was referring more to the South C...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/26/20
But their supply chain would be incredibly short distance in...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
? The sea is over a million square miles in area. It's about...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/26/20
That isn't that big. Compare the US actually fighting acros...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
It's big enough to require ships capable of surviving at sea...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/26/20
I get that but isn't that exactly why China is taking the st...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
That's for purposes of laying claims to ocean as sovereign t...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/26/20
But they are capable of providing radar support, covering fi...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
You vastly vastly underestimate the sheer size of the area w...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/26/20
The US was always preparing to fight very different wars tha...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
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wine principal's office organic girlfriend
  01/27/20
"All the way across the Pacific" The US has a f...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/27/20
Except that China is fighting close enough to the homeland t...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/27/20
China has no way of operating strategic aircraft more than a...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/27/20
The SU-27 has a 2k mile range. The J-10 is less, like 1500 ...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/27/20
You're confusing max theoretical range with combat radius. ...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/27/20
That's my point - AWACS, refueling craft, all of that matter...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/27/20
"That's my point - AWACS, refueling craft, all of that ...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/27/20
They are never going to be more than a few hundred miles bey...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/27/20
Almost none of the artificial islands are capable of serving...
Cowardly know-it-all ratface
  01/27/20
USA would bring out the tic tacs and it would be over very q...
heady plum kitty cat
  01/26/20
It would go nuclear, guaranteed. Nuclear war wouldn&rsqu...
Aromatic whorehouse dragon
  01/26/20
lol @ thinking Europe would get involved. They would immedi...
mind-boggling idiot theater stage
  01/26/20
this outside of the UK, france and germany are more likel...
appetizing toilet seat lettuce
  01/27/20
I'm not sure, but I know I could.
avocado resort death wish
  01/27/20
Turns out the answer is yes
maize low-t hominid
  01/30/23
"I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" ...
beady-eyed crackhouse roast beef
  01/30/23
we're about 2 find out shortly
Lascivious shrine
  10/10/23


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Date: January 24th, 2020 10:24 PM
Author: geriatric black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39484986)



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Date: January 24th, 2020 10:26 PM
Author: poppy flirting fortuitous meteor dingle berry

Conventional war we ruin both easy. Nobody wins a nuclear war.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39484992)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 5:25 PM
Author: startled pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486906)



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Date: January 24th, 2020 10:26 PM
Author: Maroon blood rage

Pretty sure ARE Reptile said we could.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39484991)



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Date: January 24th, 2020 10:32 PM
Author: Sienna provocative casino affirmative action

Depends what type of war. Naval and air we might win. Land war in Russia or China, we’d lose embarrassingly badly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39485010)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 2:57 AM
Author: geriatric black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39485701)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 3:31 AM
Author: Scarlet Hall Patrolman

What about land war in America?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39485801)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 2:39 PM
Author: arrogant garrison cuckoldry

None of those countries have the ability to project power into north america. They wouldnt even be able to get a foothold.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486026)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:17 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

Totally agree. That's why US military spending is so insane. An actual invasion of the US is basically impossible for a bunch of different reasons (such as massive oceans separating us and anyone capable of invading).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486535)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:27 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

I mean all Russia would really need to do is fly one brave comrade with super smallpox into Yankeestan and let it do what it do. 50 million dead Yankees later....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486578)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:30 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

I mean, obviously biological warfare (which is what we're talking about) is a different ballgame. That's basically one (small) step below nuclear war.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486595)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 9:39 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

Bio warfare is a major step ABOVE nuclear war.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488031)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 10:50 PM
Author: Soul-stirring pervert

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488499)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 10:50 PM
Author: Soul-stirring pervert

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488501)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 11:44 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

You can fight a war with bio weapons that will effectively be a nuclear war.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488846)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 9:39 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

Ok, then 15 minutes later I very major city in Russia and China are turned into glass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488028)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 11:45 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

Or is covered in anthrax. Same deal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488853)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 2:38 PM
Author: arrogant garrison cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486018)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 3:32 AM
Author: Cerise hideous pistol

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39485803)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 3:33 AM
Author: Smoky dopamine cruise ship

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39485804)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 2:40 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

Yankeestan literally lost a war to the Taliban with no Great Power intervening to arm the sand people. The Soviets could at least blame the CIA and Stinger missiles. You faggots lost to shoeless homeless bums with 5 teeth between the lot of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486038)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 2:42 PM
Author: arrogant garrison cuckoldry

lol. The Russians had a literal land corridor into Afghanistan and waged total war and they still couldnt do it. The US lasted almost 20 years using air bases and trying to treat it as a counter-insurgency.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486056)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:11 PM
Author: doobsian tripping university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486504)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:12 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

They could do it, it is just a question of how much they were willing to spend to do it. The answer was not that much. That probably should have been our answer too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486508)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:13 PM
Author: Trip Yellow Point

and they had 100,000 troops in Afghanistan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486517)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:16 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

And the US had over 500k in Vietnam in 1968 to hold territory in a friendly country.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486527)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 2:22 AM
Author: arrogant garrison cuckoldry

That is an obscene number when you think about how little strategic value there was in vietnam

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39489450)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:09 PM
Author: Maroon blood rage

LOL, we've got like 8k troops in Afghanistan, and we can keep them there as long as we like. That is, the Taliban can't drive them out.

Getting tired of dealing with guerillas is not the same thing as losing to them.

Vietnam was what a loss looks like - see the scene at the Saigon embassy as the NVA was moving into the city.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486496)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:11 PM
Author: Trip Yellow Point

Not true. The US had pulled out all troops 3 years earlier, in 1972. The South lost the war to the North in 1975. Those troops at the Embassy with the choppers were just there to guard the Embassy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486506)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:21 PM
Author: Maroon blood rage

Ok, but the enemy still took the friendly capital city to an extent that we couldn't even keep our embassy there.

When the Taliban takes Kabul and forces our embassy staff to leave, the situations will be comparable. As it stands now, the Taliban are guys in areas of the country that we just don't care enough about to bother driving them back into their caves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486547)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:13 PM
Author: glittery overrated doctorate gas station

We still militarily dominated Vietnam. The haphazard withdrawal reflected loss of political will not military defeat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486514)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:14 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

The Soviet Union never actually lost battles either. It was the same shitty war of attrition the US deals with in places like Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq, etc. Death by 1000 cuts and billions of dollars is extremely effective when dealing with great powers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486520)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:15 PM
Author: glittery overrated doctorate gas station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486524)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:16 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

You faggots lost Iraq too. Do I really need to keep going? Yankeestan lost every war it fought since 1945. Well — you won in Grenada. Congrats.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486531)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:18 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

In the same way the USSR lost Afghanistan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486537)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:23 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

Russia won in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and Syria since. Try matching that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486562)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:28 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

Also, Russia's man is winning in Libya, the US wasn't able to overthrow the government in Venezuela, Ukraine ended up electing the Russian preferred candidate, etc.

Overall, their record is actually pretty great. Part of that is because they avoid getting into stupid, unwinnable wars since Afghanistan.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486586)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:32 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

Venezuela really was the best of all the recent proxy fights. They destroyed an entire country just to prop up oil price by like $6 a barrel. Without Vlad Maduro would be hanging by his balls.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486611)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:33 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

But the other side of that is that Russia was horrifically overextended (Ukraine, Syria, Libya all going on at the same time) and still managed to keep it together.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486618)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:36 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

All of those conflicts were dirt cheap. Libya has maybe 500 Russkies on the ground there. Ukraine was never more than 4,000 because of local support. Syria is like 10,000 and is the only real war of the bunch. Venezuela was just loan guarantees. There are no regular Russian units in Venezuela. The Cubans have a major military presence there, but not Russia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486634)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 10:16 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

US has based all over planet earth. We’ve taken based and territory without firing a shot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488267)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 9:41 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

???

Iraq was a (messy) victory

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488037)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 12:04 AM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

If by victory you mean Iran largely controls the place and the country is generally hostile to the US, then sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488966)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 10:02 PM
Author: appetizing toilet seat lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493670)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:16 PM
Author: doobsian tripping university

the us has the capability to level both countries’ capacity to wage war. especially if it committed the entire economy to winning it

the only question is how much damage it’s pacific assets withstand before the entire us navy is leveling both countries with cruise missiles and bomber strikes

note winning doesn’t mean invading and conquering both countries. that seems impossible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486529)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:17 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

Russia has literally ten cruise missiles for every 1 American missile. There are twenty Iskander brigades in the Russian army.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486536)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:19 PM
Author: doobsian tripping university

california’s gdp is 2x higher than russia’s. personally i wouldn’t even bother dignifying that gas station with a war

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486541)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:22 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

Yankeestan’s entire GDP is housing, healtcare and education. You ain’t out producing Russia or China in missiles or ships for the matter. The Chinese mint tonnage at twice the rate of Russia and the US combined now. In ten years the Chinese navy will be larger than the US fleet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486550)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 9:42 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

LJL the chinks can’t get a single carrier in service that can go toe to toe with us.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488045)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:23 PM
Author: Maroon blood rage

I've partly come around to ARE Reptile's position on that issue. The GDP is highly misleading in this context, since we are, in fact, scrambling to catch up to Russia on certain crucial areas like hypersonics.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486559)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:26 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

I'll go a step further. The US has a terrible track record of invading places that are barely above the stone age and getting driven out. Would the US be able to tolerate the casualties and costs associated with invading and holding Russia + China? No fucking way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486577)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 9:43 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

Why would we ever have invade either country?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488055)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:03 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

To truly beat them in a war right on their borders that's what it would take. And most real wars with them would be on their borders.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493139)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:07 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

Can’t bomb them into submission? Lol just lol if you think the US would EVER invade China before just nuking them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493172)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:49 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

I mean, nuclear war just means everyone wipes out everyone. The US ends up equally fucked to China, which means that overall the US loses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493326)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:18 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

Real answer: no one can win a nuclear war and it would 100% become nuclear within 24 hours.

Conventional war only: need to understand parameters. Can the US invade Russia + China and hold the territory? Absolutely not. Could they invade the US? Not even close. War between armies in some random country in the middle (say, Syria)? US wins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486540)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:19 PM
Author: Trip Yellow Point

you’re sounding a lot like are reptile here, just saying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486542)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 4:23 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

Americans are retards when it comes to realism and wars. Are Reptile is right that the US has lost most wars that it has gotten into because of this idiotic bravado. I predict that eventually, neocons will actually get some real war with China or Russia inevitably on their home turfs (China in the South China Sea, for example) and get legitimately pwn3d, or lose so much that Americans will immediately wholly oppose any further action. That will usher in an era of legitimate isolationism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39486561)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 9:46 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

Even MacArthur (legit greatest and most revered general in US history) couldn’t convince the US to invade China. Check facts then report back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488068)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 10:16 PM
Author: razzmatazz address sound barrier

MacArthur isn’t close to the best US General.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488263)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 10:20 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

You say that thanks to the smear campaign against him. He was brilliant at winning battles and campaigns with minimal casualties. The only US generals who we as good were Washington and Winfield Scott. MacArthur blows Eisenhower and Patton out of the water. Pershing was also very good, though. Grant was good too but he was a butcher. I’m not counting confederate generals, if I was then Bedford Forrest might be the best in US history. Lee is very overrated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488284)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 11:46 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

Yes, and? Decades have passed since then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488862)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 9:44 AM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

And?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39489787)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 5:24 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

We've gone from realizing that there are limits to US power to buying into "only remaining superpower in the world" line.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492151)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:09 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

We are the only superpower but I think we all know that there are limits after we got our asses kicked by goat-fuckers. There are limits at least if user keep insisting on these humanitarian type wars instead of wars of extermination.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493181)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:41 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

The problem is that I don't think we "all know." Many in our government seem to be out to rule the world despite reality (and history) not being on our side here. Also, that pesky thing called the budget.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493299)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 9:38 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

Of course. Our navy and Air Force could wipe the floor with all three combined. Of course would not invade anywhere. Just wipe the floor with their navies and air forces then bomb their cities with impunity using B52 flights out of Nebraska.

And if it went nuclear, well then everybody loses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488022)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 10:07 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488190)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 10:35 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488410)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 10:46 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488477)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 11:46 PM
Author: Crystalline philosopher-king

No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488860)



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Date: January 25th, 2020 11:58 PM
Author: Jet razzle set brethren

Where is the entire question. Even in conventional warfare, The US would lose against Russia in eastern europe, lose againstChina in the SCS, and would not successfully invade Iran

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39488938)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 10:08 AM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

EXPLAIN how the US could lose to China in the South China Sea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39489841)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 12:29 PM
Author: arrogant garrison cuckoldry

China could theoretically invade Taiwan under cover of its land based missiles in and around the SCS.

The US then has two consecutive choices, risk sending in a high cost/low density asset like a carrier that would run a very high risk of being sunk. If sunk, we would have to decide whether to escalate and wage total war over Taiwan.

If our answer to either of these is “no”. China wins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39490306)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 3:42 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

Letting China annex Taiwan is not a “war” with the US.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39491485)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 5:28 PM
Author: arrogant garrison cuckoldry

Its the equivalent of a loss in the Pacific. Our allies in Asia would abandon us overnight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492164)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:21 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

If we started to lose a fight over Taiwan we would just nuke China. Our nuclear capability is far better than china’s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493226)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:57 PM
Author: appetizing toilet seat lettuce

lol at thinking we'd nuke china over taiwan

did we nuke russia when they took ossetia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493368)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 10:11 PM
Author: doobsian tripping university

Did we have a security pact with Ukraine?

If we didn’t step in China would make us look like bitches. And nato article 5 would be totally worthless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493706)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 8:41 AM
Author: appetizing toilet seat lettuce

ur retarded i get it

u.s uses nukes first in anything short of a domestic invasion and it's ostracized forever by the int'l community not to mention the president would be thrown in jail given all the libtards we have here

sorry taiwan chink but there's 0% of that happening. china invades taiwan, u.s. nukes china, u.s. gets nuked in return. ww3 over some tiny island. nope. much easier to sanction the f out of china and destroy their economy with int'l support.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39494973)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 5:05 PM
Author: doobsian tripping university

(Kenneth Waltz)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39497731)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 3:45 PM
Author: doobsian tripping university

i bet china would have a horrific time conquering china. they could do it, but it would cost a fuckton

taiwan is armed to the teeth and has been preparing for an invasion for decades

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39491518)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 5:26 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

LJL no. Taiwan is very poorly armed and their military is filled with PRC agents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492159)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 5:35 PM
Author: doobsian tripping university

Thoughts? https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china-could-conquer-taiwan-it-would-be-very-tough-fight-82366

Also a Taiwanese mountain insurgency seems pretty tough to fight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492226)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 5:46 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

Taiwan has seven Patriot missile battalions. 24 missiles to a battalion. 168 missiles in field with the same number in reloads. They could stop one Chinese missile volley. That’s sadly it. To put this in perspective Russia has 48 battalion sets of S-400s, 40 battalion sets of S-300PMUs, 16 battalion sets of S-300Vs, 32 battalion sets of Buk-M2s, 3 battalion sets of Buk-M3’s, 160 Tor and approx 200 Pantsir sets. Russia can handle China. Taiwan can stand up for an afternoon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492339)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 5:51 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

And Russia really only has half the missiles it really needs. These numbers are pretty pathetic from a Soviet view. There should be over 100 S-400 sets. The S-350 is delayed. Those S-300s should already be replaced with S-350s and those Pantsir numbers are pathetic. To replace Tunguska properly there should be 400 in service now and not 200. What they have now is not enough to slaughter ARE way to Portugal. This will barely be enough to take East Germany.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492386)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 5:48 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

Taiwan can’t feed itself in peace time. LJL at any protracted insurgency. They will be eating cats inside of a month.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492355)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 7:22 PM
Author: doobsian tripping university

You might be right but only because maybe only the United States would risk continuing to trade with Taiwan during Chinese blockade. I bet Taiwan could blast holes in a Chinese naval blockade though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492903)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 5:28 PM
Author: demanding chartreuse spot jew

if Canada joins USA, sure!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492169)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 6:00 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

The real answer is this:

We have absolutely NO idea how capable China and Russia are militarily. We don't know how accurate/reliable their ICBMs or medium range missiles are, we have no idea how effective their radar is at detecting our stealth aircraft, we don't now how long they could maintain a supply chain across oceanic distances, we don't know if their anti-aircraft missiles or anti ballistic missile platforms work, we don't know how their soldiers would hold up in an expeditionary war.

The only ones who do are Russia and China, who have every reason to exaggerate to look stronger relative to the US, and the US government, who has every reason to exaggerate to get more funding.

We do know that the US spends way more on its military, has far better talent designing our arms, and has decades upon decades of experience fighting in modern wars. China and Russia don't, so why assume they're close to us without any evidence to suggest they are?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492446)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 6:05 PM
Author: arrogant garrison cuckoldry

(Russian minister poasting on Feb 7, 1904)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492479)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 6:05 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

wtf does this even mean?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492485)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 6:15 PM
Author: arrogant garrison cuckoldry

lol sorry, too obscure.

The Russians went to war with the Japanese in 1904 when Japan was a relatively new world power and no one knew what they were capable of. The Japs kicked their teeth in.

The lesson is that when war planning you should always assume the worst when estimating your opponent’s capabilities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492544)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 6:46 PM
Author: Sepia Genital Piercing

TBF this was entirely because Russia got her ships from France and Japan got hers from the UK and the French ship designs were shit. That kind of basic failure in design is unlikely today in any strategic systems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492746)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:04 PM
Author: arrogant garrison cuckoldry

Their strategy was also SPS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493149)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 7:59 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

That's not comparable at all. Imperial Russia is more analogous to the modern UK ithan to the U.S.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493118)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:08 PM
Author: avocado resort death wish

how so?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493174)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:26 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

Russia was a declining second or third tier power at the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493243)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 10:28 PM
Author: arrogant garrison cuckoldry

I was using it as a lesson in not underestimating your opponent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493774)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 6:40 PM
Author: doobsian tripping university

I bet the us knows almost precisely what China and Russia can do militarily. And vice versa

Each county has massive amounts of data (much of it covertly obtained) and this stuff is pretty hard to hide

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492711)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 7:27 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

"we don't now how long they could maintain a supply chain across oceanic distances"

What? There's no chance they could invade the US. None.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492925)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 7:58 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

I didn't say they could. I was referring more to the South China Sea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493107)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:00 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

But their supply chain would be incredibly short distance in that scenario. That's right on their border. Their brown water fleet would suffice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493125)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:02 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

? The sea is over a million square miles in area. It's about as big as the Mediterranean.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493136)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:04 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

That isn't that big. Compare the US actually fighting across the Pacific ocean.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493148)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:06 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

It's big enough to require ships capable of surviving at sea, as well as oil/supply ships, support aircraft, etc.

For example: once you operate in deep waters away from naval stations you need ASW aircraft. They're so important to operating at sea the Navy operates them for the US military, not the Air Force.

It's also why carrier fleets always have attack sub escorts. Having a bunch of ships theoretically capable of travelling a few hundred miles doesn't mean you can fight wars at sea.

You do realize that the world's non US blue water navies (France, UK, Italy) don't actually operate in the Atlantic of Pacific most of the time right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493164)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:43 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

I get that but isn't that exactly why China is taking the strategy of building the island fortresses everywhere, including with radar and monitoring facilities? I think that is their solution to the problem you're raising (in addition to generally reinforcing their claim).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493307)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:46 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

That's for purposes of laying claims to ocean as sovereign territory. Only a handful are even capable to handling naval ships.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493317)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:47 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

But they are capable of providing radar support, covering fire, etc. Plus that handful means they're never too far from a port. It definitely changes the equation in their favor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493322)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:54 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

You vastly vastly underestimate the sheer size of the area we're talking about here.

Most ground based radar is useless at oceanic distances. I don't think the US even developed any new over the horizon radar after the cold war ended because they were too expensive and pointless once AWACS was developed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493353)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 9:58 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

The US was always preparing to fight very different wars than China is now. You're still talking about a US fleet sailing all the way across the Pacific to face an entrenched China on its own borders. Yeah, it isn't a tiny body of water but it isn't huge in the grand scheme of things either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493650)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 8:48 AM
Author: wine principal's office organic girlfriend

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39494982)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 8:55 AM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

"All the way across the Pacific"

The US has a fleet (maybe two?) in the South China Sea as we speak. We have the largest military installation in the region in Guam, and naval bases in Japan, and friendly nations nearby in the Philipines and Australia that frequently host American ships. You think proximity to China proper matters. The Pacific has been a de facto US colony since 1945. It being a few thousand miles from DC is irrelevant. We might have more ships permanently there than China has in its entire navy.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39495008)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 4:24 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

Except that China is fighting close enough to the homeland that they can launch missiles and aircraft from shore and doesn't need as many ships as the US. That's why the distances matter. Guam to China is almost 3k miles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39497495)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 4:28 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

China has no way of operating strategic aircraft more than a few hundred miles from the Chinese mainland.

We don't even know if they have *ships* that can survive a few hundred miles from shore for extended periods. They've never attempted it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39497520)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 4:34 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

The SU-27 has a 2k mile range. The J-10 is less, like 1500 or something.

"We don't even know if they have *ships* that can survive a few hundred miles from shore for extended periods."

That's my point. For them to hold their own in the SCS they don't have to. The equation is fundamentally different for China than the US. The US needs much more capability to operate there than China does. Even worse, don't forget the reality that the US population is not tolerant of losses. China doesn't have to outright defeat the US. It has to inflict enough losses for the US to give up and leave. Can it do it? I'll bet yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39497555)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 5:33 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

You're confusing max theoretical range with combat radius.

Even ignoring that, what about AWACS? Refueling craft? Assuming that China have a competency close to ours when they spend a fraction of the money and have never been tested in real world conflict is silly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39497879)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 5:39 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

That's my point - AWACS, refueling craft, all of that matter less when you're operating off your coast/island bases/etc. If you're deploying a few carrier fleets thousands of miles away from your base then that's critical.

"and have never been tested in real world conflict"

This is easily your best point. The truth is that China isn't like the US or Russia in that they basically haven't fought a war anytime recently. Half of their shit may not work. The early phases will almost certainly be disastrous because US pilots have all seen combat and Chinese pilots haven't. Combat systems have to be tested in the real world to have any assurance that they work.

That said, the bar for Chinese victory is much lower too. So they could suffer a number of disasters, manage to sink a few ships with hypersonic missiles, kill thousands of Americans (even at a ratio of 10 dead Chinese or even worse for every American killed) and STILL win because the US public demands we leave.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39497899)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 5:45 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

"That's my point - AWACS, refueling craft, all of that matter less when you're operating off your coast/island bases/etc."

No they don't matter less. Modern ground based radar isn't effective past a few hundred miles. You *need* either carrier based AWACS or air refuel capable AWACS to conduct operations in blue water.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39497910)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 6:23 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

They are never going to be more than a few hundred miles beyond an artificial island. That's what you don't get - they will not try to stand toe to toe with a US naval fleet in the middle of the ocean.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39498046)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 6:26 PM
Author: Cowardly know-it-all ratface

Almost none of the artificial islands are capable of serving as bases for military ships or aircraft. In most cases they are literally just piles of landfill with no docks. They aren't even capable of serving as permanent living spaces.

This is why they've been so controversial. They're not actually territory, just cheap attempts to exploit international law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39498061)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 6:42 PM
Author: heady plum kitty cat

USA would bring out the tic tacs and it would be over very quickly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39492718)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 8:37 PM
Author: Aromatic whorehouse dragon

It would go nuclear, guaranteed.

Nuclear war wouldn’t be too bad. Only about 90 million dead across both sides.

https://youtu.be/9rXXMDGhjUs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493285)



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Date: January 26th, 2020 10:43 PM
Author: mind-boggling idiot theater stage

lol @ thinking Europe would get involved. They would immediately call Russia to tell them that they're remaining neutral.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39493823)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 8:43 AM
Author: appetizing toilet seat lettuce

this

outside of the UK, france and germany are more likely to join the axis than the allies at this point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39494975)



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Date: January 27th, 2020 9:28 AM
Author: avocado resort death wish

I'm not sure, but I know I could.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#39495087)



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Date: January 30th, 2023 10:11 AM
Author: maize low-t hominid

Turns out the answer is yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#45861795)



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Date: January 30th, 2023 10:12 AM
Author: beady-eyed crackhouse roast beef

"I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" Who Removed His Penis and Balls

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Simon Davis

10/16/14 11:10AM

Filed to: INTERVIEWS

In 1994, a South Florida man who goes by the name Gelding was surgically castrated. In 2011, he had his penis removed as well. He's a "nullo": A cisgender man who removes his external genitalia completely as a form of body modification, and he recently agreed to answer our questions—from "why?" to "what do balls taste like?"

Gelding is a nudist and describes himself as a submissive bear. Apart from his desire to use a pseudonym, he let it all hang out (so to speak) when I reached out to him and graciously answered every question I had.

Is nullo your preferred term to describe yourself and others like you who are castrated and have removed their penis?

Yes, the reason that we use that it is not transgender. It's simply nullification of what you've got. A friend of mine Mack in San Francisco likes to use the term "mascunull", because I remain as masculine as they come with fur and so forth. But I no longer have the parts.

What are some misconceptions people have about nullos?

A few men don't know their own physiology to the point where they think if they lose their balls they can't come any more. And that's false. If you look at the physiology you see that the fluids are made by the seminal vesicles and the prostate. Very little of the fluid and the content is produced in the testes. I still unload.

But the active ingredient for impregnating someone isn't there.

Right.

Do you get a lot of people who think you're trying to become a woman?

Absolutely. And it's mostly the medical profession who sees the sexes as either male or female. And anyone who wants to alter any part of that is in some way suffering from gender dysphoria. They don't like themselves for some reason and they want to change gender. And that's absolutely false.

It's not a dysphoria. I see it in the positive way of working toward something, rather than away from something. Many of the guys instead of putting a negative feel on it see it as a positive. Being castrated is a positive to them. Rather than removing something that they dislike, they are moving in the direction that they want. I went through a long set of psychological evaluation sessions with a psychologist here in town, because that was necessary in order to have the penis removed.

You've previously discussed your 1994 castration. However, I didn't find anything on your penis removal in 2011. Can you talk about that?

I knew I was uncomfortable in having frankly large male parts. I would quite often sit on my own balls because they were loose unless I wore something tight and held them in I would sit on them and squash them. That got me into trouble playing soccer in college when they forced us to wear these hard plastic cups. What happened was I fell on a guy's upright knee with the weight of another player behind me, so two of us fell on the knee. The knee happened to hit the middle of the plastic cup and imploded and tore me up. I was severely injured.

The doctor saved everything but over a period of time the nerves gave me some problems and I had aches in my testicles all the time. When I was in the military service they tried doing a varicose vein removal but that didn't help, it just made matters worse. They thought I was suffering from varicose veins. So after leaving the service I had them removed. And that removed that little problem but I still had the nerve sensations in the penis which woke me up at night. So I could get erect, but it was painful.

So I talked with my urologist and he said the only treatment for that was to make it numb, which is very dangerous because if you make something like that numb then you don't know if it's infected for some reason. Or remove it, but to do that he needs to cover his ass and asked for a psychological evaluation. And my own doctor is a professor at Nova Southeastern University here in. She is the most brilliant doctor I've ever met. So, I asked her about this problem and she was very forthright and said "well, we'll have to treat you". She didn't consider it something that was wrong with me, she said "we have to investigate." I went to see a psychiatrist and he spent a good 90 minutes with me and said "yes, I have just the person that can work with you." So the psychologist did a battery of personality tests and said "you're perfectly fine, your only problem is that you've got these physical problems which work on your nerves." And I said "yeah." And he said "it also works with your personality" because I'm a gay submissive and I always have been and it wasn't working right. So in order to to fix it I worked toward a goal of having things removed. And that was it. I'm working in a positive way to solve my own personal problem.

But was castration something you were contemplating prior to the injury?

Yes. For whatever reason I was always embarrassed by the size of what I had. It didn't fit my personality.

Do you remember when you the fantasy to remove your testicles first occurred?

I had a baby face in high school, there was one of these bullies and he said "you have a man's equipment but you're still a boy" and he squeezed my balls in the shower. He was on the football team, I was on the soccer team showering together and he said "you shouldn't have such big equipment" so he squeezed my balls and at that point it was just a fantasy for me. So how about getting rid of them for some reason?

When did it go from fantasy to aspiration?

It became a fetish thing where I would do sort of more self destructive things with them like putting rubber bands around them and needles through the balls and whatnot. It's a progression which a lot of guys go through. It's something that works on them and they say "Well, how about if we just have them off? Then I won't be bothered by this constant urge to hurt them". And this is where a psychologist gets into the dysphoria. It's very difficult to distinguish whether it's a dislike for something or instead you're working towards something else. I always thought when I was on the beach—I was also on the swim team—and we had Speedos, it was difficult to pack everything in frankly. I would be embarrassed and everybody was looking and here I am and I've got the biggest package and I'm not the biggest guy and I got a whole lot of looks from everybody.

I had a big dick, it got damaged and I was a bottom. I didn't want to use it, I got pushed into using it, I had to take all sorts of medications and was tired of being somebody else's tool.

Broadly speaking, how can someone know that being a nullo is something they actually want to go through with as opposed to something they fantasize about?

That's something really for a psychologist to answer, but in talking to all the guys that I've been talking with, they try to come up with all sorts of different rationalizations to justify it. In my case, my medical situation really didn't justify it because I was just uncomfortable with what I had. It wasn't medically necessary. But I felt that I would be much more comfortable having the issues of having the sensation but not being able to use it well. It was something like a guy having a useless appendage and it's something he has to carry around, and it becomes baggage after a while.

If someone starts/botches the process on their own, what would you recommend they do? Should people use a cover story to avoid getting in trouble?

No. Go to the emergency room. Today, they have been exposed to a lot more of the literature out there than they were 20 years ago. They're not going to be institutionalized. I mean years ago they used to institutionalize guys that were gay.

How would you say the breakdown is between gay and straight men for nullos?

I would have to say it's mostly gays. I don't know of a straight guy who became a nullo.

You had said in a previous interview that for castrations it's about a two to one for gay to straight men that decide to do it.

I've heard of a couple of straight guys who decided that they were making too many babies so they had their balls off so they could take testosterone and continue. I know quite a few bodybuilders both gay and straight whose testes have shrunk because of the steroids they are taking which are bad for their health. So they got castrated and now they're on medically injected testosterone which is good for them. It's not as harmful as oral steroids are or some of the other shit that they're pumping into themselves.

How would you recommend people do their penectomy and castration?

In the last couple of years, my friend Mack from San Francisco ran into Dr. Crane from Brownstein & Crane and he met him, and I don't know how the two of them had the discussion, and then I had a phone interview with Dr. Crane and I explained my situation with him and now Dr. Crane is no longer doing just transgender type of procedures but [also] genital modifications.

So in a way, you educated him.

The protocol that the doctors use for transgender people is called the Harry Benjamin protocol. So for example Dr. Reed in Miami, before you go to his clinic you have to take female hormones for six months and show some development of breasts and whatnot, some feminine characteristics before he will deal with you. And why do that when you simply want to get the genitals removed?

If anything, wouldn't additional testosterone be what you'd need after castration?

Men who get castrated, they do get depressed if they don't start fairly right away on testosterone. Because the falling hormone causes hot flashes first of all, and then the loss of libido. You lose all interest in sex and everything else.

Are there any changes that occur to the body as a result?

Body changes are minimal really. If you lose your balls, you won't lose all your hair.

What about voice? Is that a myth?

Voice doesn't change, no. The larynx is a hard tissue, and the voice box and everything else is a hard tissue. But the timbre of your voice is a factor of the larynx. I sang in the college choir, I know about these things.

One thing I noticed while reading testimonials is that many people seem to try their hand at castration and penectomy but then go to the doctor only if it goes wrong. How much of this would you say is due to the medical profession's reluctance to remove healthy body parts and how much is due to people's general fear of discussing this type of thing with their doctor or therapist?

You know about the Hippocratic oath right? "First do no harm". They have to be convinced that what they are doing is in fact an improvement on your health. Which is why the surgeon is requesting a psychological evaluation. And the psychologist comes back and says "yeah, he's going to be uncomfortable where he is, he's going to be more improved, better mood, better this, better that" and so forth. So from a totality point of view, it's going to get better after he gets modified.

And let me tell you my mood has improved dramatically since going nullo. I don't miss the baggage. I don't miss the fact that I get into sex with a guy, he expects me to perform in some ways, now he doesn't have that expectation. In fact, quite a few guys find it very arousing that they don't have to have that distraction.

Are there other benefits?

Another thing is, guys who are aroused by my situation are very aroused. I've got some guys who are pursuing me a lot. And they just like this idea, because there's nothing there to be in the way. Face to face fucking is very pleasurable. And when they're doing that I actually wet their stomachs with my fluids. And this one guy, he likes to go down on me. He's a bi guy and he said he does this with his girlfriend so he goes down there and starts licking me. And he just loves that idea. He loves the idea that I have a hairy chest and what is to him a very tiny vagina that he can't fuck but he can lick and he can enjoy being the male role. I've even got a straight guy here in town who likes to fuck me because I don't have any male genitals and he doesn't feel threatened by that.

Are there any downsides?

One of the most obvious cons is I have to sit to pee, or I have to use one of these female urination devices. It's an odd funnel shaped device that you can use if there's only a men's urinal. Also, some times I get urinary tract infections. There's a shorter path to the bladder through what I've got now. So I've got to be very careful and keep it clean. I can't get guy fingering me down there because it's the inside of the urethra so it's sensitive.

Do you ever get "phantom dick" syndrome when you are reaching for it out of habit?

A lot of the nerves are bundled on the base of the penis where most of the sensation comes from. It's not along the length of penis but on the base of the penis is where most of the sensations are. And I wake up in the morning with a feeling that I have a big dick that's erect.

In your experience, what percentage of castrations are done by non-medical professionals? How about penectomies? What are the safety risks for each? Would you say one is more difficult than the other for a layman?

I would above three quarters [by non-medical professionals]. And that number is lower than say twenty years ago. There are not as many today.

Which are not as many?

The amateur cutters. There are a lot of wannabes that are successful that manage to stay below the radar of the authorities because they run into trouble because of their lack of skill. Because if you mess up there are problems there. But if you're very careful in choosing the men you work with so that you have very low risk involved, which is age (you don't do old men), you don't do very overweight men, you don't do men who smoke, who don't take drugs and anything else. If you take these fairly low-risk guys and you do it well, then there won't be any problems. Once these guys get castrated, most of them simply become very private and they don't brag about things. They sort of withdraw from pursuing anything else because they've reached their goal.

So is the the percentage of amateur cutters lower today due to more people with medical training performing castrations?

Yes. They are finding that there is a living in this if they do it among other things.

How about with penectomies? I would imagine (and hope!) there's fewer amateurs performing these.

Almost all of them are done by medical professionals. That's tricky, yeah. More tricky. It's sort of major surgery and it's been done by some amateurs. They're fairly good with their surgical techniques. I was actually at one and the guy did a fairly good job but it took a long time and it was a very involved, very slow process. I've heard of only three or four done by cutters in the past and they have left active participation in this.

When you do a penectomy you have to re-route the urethra, yes?

Yes, what I did with this is I knew where I was going with this in 1999 and I contacted my urologist in Hollywood [Florida], an old guy who was just about to retire and I talked to him very carefully and said "in the future I'm going to want the penis removed". And he said "OK, we can do a urethral relocation in the base of the penis".

So how do things like ejaculation and urination work when you've rerouted the urethra and no longer use the penis for them?

With ejaculation, just before you reach the peak, all the fluid is there at the base of the penis, and right before orgasm happens it's the urethra that acts like a rail gun and expels the semen. So when you don't use the penis, there's no force behind it. It just flows out.

What happens to the body parts after removal?

Quite a few [cutters] collect them. They preserve them, they put them in jars. One guy embedded his in plastic and now it's an ornament somewhere. This typically happens when you're in a master/slave dominant/submissive relationship and the submissive gives up his balls to his partner for keepsake. And then you get into this S&M thing where the dominant partner controls and regulates the libido of the submissive. Especially if the submissive is on say androgel where the turnaround time from full sexiness to limp dick is about on the order of a week. The reaction time for the transdermal is very fast. Whereas the injections wear off after two to three weeks. The half life of the testosterone I'm taking is eight days.

You mentioned consumption of body parts in another interview. Is that for real?

It is for real, yes. Some guys do that. Think about the Testy Festy, where they go there and every year there they have concentration of people who are into eating sheep and bull nuts and rocky mountain oysters. I know a few cutters that don't charge anything for their work, the only charge they have is that they get the nuts afterwards.

Is this something that you've tasted?

Yes, as a matter of fact they do taste a little like chicken. Actually I would have to say they taste as much like chicken as they do roast pork. But it all depends on how you cook them. If you cook them in salted butter then they might be saltier than they might otherwise be.

How do you like them cooked?

I went to a cutter's place and he was having an event where he cut a number of guys and I was assisting him there. And what I did is I cooked them up in some butter with some mushrooms. Quite good with a nice red merlot wine.

Cheers to that, Gelding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4429079&forum_id=2#45861798)



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Date: October 10th, 2023 1:59 PM
Author: Lascivious shrine

we're about 2 find out shortly

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