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Date: February 21st, 2020 10:34 AM Author: well-lubricated range weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39628839) |
Date: February 21st, 2020 10:34 AM Author: Magical principal's office people who are hurt Try central and western Mexico (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39628847) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 10:36 AM Author: well-lubricated range weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39628854) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 11:19 AM Author: Magical principal's office people who are hurt Mexican Silent Generation/boomer-age people all have very fond memories from their childhoods of courtyard homes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629048) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 12:21 PM Author: cerebral ticket booth factory reset button interior courtyards are extremely prestigious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629369) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 10:37 AM Author: well-lubricated range weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39628860) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 11:20 AM Author: lascivious really tough guy Interior courtyard homes are extremely 180.
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Date: February 21st, 2020 12:22 PM Author: cerebral ticket booth factory reset button that looks very comfy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629374) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 1:16 PM Author: lascivious really tough guy It's 180 because you get to chill outside while still having privacy. If you're in the Southwest/TX, it also gives you a place to let your dogs run around without snakes or coyotes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629638) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 4:52 PM Author: coiffed gunner I would love this.
I grew up in an apt in Medellin with an interior courtyard, and it was 188 |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 5:42 PM Author: well-lubricated range weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39631005) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 11:24 AM Author: well-lubricated range weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629079) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 11:23 AM Author: Chestnut underhanded meetinghouse (Frida Kahlo bitching to her husband while house hunting in Mexico City, 1935) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629076) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 12:23 PM Author: maroon alpha site if I ever get money I am building an interior courtyard in my house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629379) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 4:31 PM Author: cerebral ticket booth factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634654) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 12:24 PM Author: soul-stirring national security agency coldplay fan Good question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629385) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 12:25 PM Author: stubborn pit trump supporter New Orleans, brah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629390) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 1:20 PM Author: Charismatic station patrolman they should be available in any city founded by xo Southern Europeans instead of tls Anglo-Germans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629659) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 1:22 PM Author: cerebral ticket booth factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39629666) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 4:44 PM Author: mind-boggling primrose home hominid Move down to the Rio Grande Valley? Most of the rich gringos down there have such houses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39630778) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 4:49 PM Author: green dilemma famous landscape painting Because, unless you’re in the top 0.1% of Americans, you have a dull and shoddy house, since Americans have no fucking pride in anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39630795) |
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Date: February 21st, 2020 4:53 PM Author: coiffed gunner US was founded by Brits/ Germans, whose weather was not conducive to this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39630812) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 2:45 PM Author: green dilemma famous landscape painting you come to the weirdest conclusions. i actually legit love how much of an oddball you can be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634165) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 2:51 PM Author: Comical Embarrassed To The Bone Church Wrinkle It's not the craziest thing she's ever said. And it might even have a little truth. But I think the overwhelming factor is economics. You're adding a bunch of construction cost (walls, roof, windows, doors) without increasing the size of the house, and the effect of the courtyard can largely be reproduced in the backyard with comparatively cheaper methods. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634192) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 3:02 PM Author: green dilemma famous landscape painting She's the type of person I'd like to hire for trading ideas or like busienss expansion ideas. She'll give you a bunch of uselessly insane ideas, but some will be okay, and none will be the same boring shit that all MBA's come up with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634246) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 3:03 PM Author: soul-stirring national security agency coldplay fan A backyard is completely different for obvious reasons unless your lot isn't adjacent to neighbors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634252) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 3:18 PM Author: Comical Embarrassed To The Bone Church Wrinkle I'm pretty sure hardscape, fireplaces, walls, and fences can go in a backyard. I've even seen it with my own eyes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634335) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2020 12:00 PM Author: Motley topaz forum Can you show your work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39638576) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 2:46 PM Author: Smoky Reading Party Blood Rage Fuck Mexicans, but courtyards are 180 AF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634170) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 2:50 PM Author: soul-stirring national security agency coldplay fan This one of those rare threads that changed my whole world viewpoint. Interior courtyards probably improve quality of life by 1000% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634187) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 2:52 PM Author: Smoky Reading Party Blood Rage Flame. Material things have jack shit on quality of life as long as you're not living in squalor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634196) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 3:02 PM Author: cerebral ticket booth factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634250) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 3:26 PM Author: well-lubricated range weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634365) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 2:56 PM Author: heady learning disabled business firm they are so 180 they never come up for sale.
but have seen in 4500 sq ft+ mcmansions in socal |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 2:59 PM Author: Boyish depressive How long until libs outlaw them for not being energy efficient? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634230) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 4:32 PM Author: Motley topaz forum How are they not energy efficient? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634662) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2020 9:43 AM Author: green dilemma famous landscape painting high surface area to volume ratio. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39638022) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2020 3:00 PM Author: Adventurous sneaky criminal A modern Eichler with decent insulation would be 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39634241) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:39 PM Author: Tripping sticky corn cake set Tons of Eichlers around me, you'd have to qualify "modern" a bit more. All the Eichlers here have:
- Dead floor heating because the pipes eventually go and they're embedded in the poured concrete foundation.
- Flat roofs leak
- Has window "insulation" progressed? All of them have massive floor/ceiling glass which give an open feel, but are shit for thermal control. Maybe improved against solar/heat with a coating, but don't see how they work well for the cold.
- In general they're constructed out of ttt materials, they were never intended to be fancy homes. |
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Date: July 26th, 2022 2:03 AM Author: Adventurous sneaky criminal Use pex instead of pipe, especially if you have earth quakes
Double/triple owned windows will have much greater R values
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Date: February 23rd, 2020 11:23 AM Author: Motley topaz forum Glad to know I'm not the only one who pines for an interior courtyard. They are both peaceful places to read or be close to your family AND wonderful locations for hosting parties. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39638354) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2020 11:28 AM Author: vibrant garrison Interior courtyards are 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39638392) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2020 12:02 PM Author: Adventurous sneaky criminal How would this work if you live in an area with a lot of snow ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39638580) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2020 12:12 PM Author: Motley topaz forum You'd need a drainage system for rain anyway. And you'd probably go with a U-shaped courtyard or something like this:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/836825174484303269/ |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 3:50 PM Author: cocky provocative ladyboy market I had a U-shaped house with a 3/4 courtyard exactly for this reason, lots of rain which had to drain.
house was top 0.1% in the early 1950s when it was built |
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Date: February 23rd, 2020 12:14 PM Author: Motley topaz forum https://www.detail-online.com/fileadmin/blog/uploads/2012/11/05-view-into-courtyard-in-winter.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#39638641) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 3:13 PM Author: green dilemma famous landscape painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231334) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 3:19 PM Author: sapphire stage because they're really stupid and don't make sense in the northeast, which is the only region in the world that matters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231382) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 3:28 PM Author: azure space filthpig but what about people who don't live in the northeast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231465) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 3:32 PM Author: sapphire stage they're also dumb in the southeast. actually they're dumb everywhere. when you sit out back do you sit facing the back of your house? why would you want that to be the only option? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231487) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:18 PM Author: well-lubricated range weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231714) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:22 PM Author: sapphire stage ok mr bucket tp poasting from his estate in Boliva. i'ts still gay and mexican. I want to be able to see the GROUNDS of my estate when I step outside. I want to make sure no one is fucking with the OUTBUILDINGS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231724) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:24 PM Author: maroon alpha site wtf . . . i don't even. we are talking about *interior* courtyards. the exterior courtyard is your backyard but the only wall is your fence and the remaining walls are the expanses of your yard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231737) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:27 PM Author: sapphire stage exactly. fuck that gay shit. why would i want to go outside just to look at a wall of my house. are you people fucking retarded or just mexican or do you need me draw you a venn diagram of mexicans and retards? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231756) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:28 PM Author: maroon alpha site are you saying that the interior courtyard portion of your home should have a roof and be an interior enclosed courtyard but then you knock down the walls in the interior enclosed courtyard? that's fine too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231763) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:30 PM Author: well-lubricated range weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231768) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:33 PM Author: maroon alpha site it was interior courtyards all the way down holding up the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231781) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:33 PM Author: well-lubricated range weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231785) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:35 PM Author: sapphire stage maybe bellydancing julia will get super hot and sweaty from the extremely stuffy, poorly circulated, air that.... well we'll see what unfolds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231794) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:31 PM Author: sapphire stage no, you should buy a house built by white people and not mexicans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231776) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:30 PM Author: sapphire stage your the one who wants to sit in some stuff humid not actually outdoors outdoor room instead of just being outdoors. that never caught on in america because we aren't retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231771) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:03 PM Author: coral nubile chapel What is it about the interior courtyard that makes you prefer it to the screen porch or sunroom (which are both 180 in the south) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231648) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:19 PM Author: well-lubricated range weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231716) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 7:13 PM Author: azure space filthpig its great to have both
but it would be nice on a nice day to have multiple doors open to the courtyard to let the nice air in, without worrying about people or animals coming in |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:06 PM Author: trip maize school Lol at ppl ITT acting like this feature is only in 3rd world homes. Interior courtyard style features were very trendy in suburban US homes built in the 70s and 80s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231663) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:22 PM Author: sapphire stage california is also 3rd world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231726) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:23 PM Author: trip maize school Not when these houses were built (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231728) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 4:40 PM Author: sapphire stage it always has been (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4449967&forum_id=2#40231827) |
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