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"Reopenings" Are Totally Arbitrary Frauds. Either Lockdown Is Good, Or It's Bad
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Date: May 27th, 2020 1:52 AM Author: mewling station these "reopenings" have nothing to do with any scientific data/evidence that we're less at risk, and they're entirely political decisions by the elites that people have had enough of them and they'll hurt their re-election chances by crippling the economy.
given that the virus threat hasnt actually changed one bit, either:
1) the lockdowns were good in the first place, and they should still remain, or
2) the lockdowns were dumb in the first place, and should never have happened.
is there any principled position to justify 2.5 months of lockdowns and then reopening now? i dont think so |
Date: May 27th, 2020 2:00 AM Author: narrow-minded smoky laser beams factory reset button what's wrong with the principle being that lockdowns were supposed to prevent a sudden surge of cases that completely overwhelm the healthcare system, and now it no longer appears as if the healthcare system is in any danger of being overwhelmed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283070) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:07 AM Author: mewling station i suppose that principle makes sense, but 1) havent we been past the point of danger of the system being overwhelmed for a while, and 2) if we're past that point, these phased reopenings are retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283094) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:09 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office The motive for the lockdowns changed mid stream once libs realized ventilators and ICU beds were flame. And here we are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283101) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:13 AM Author: mewling station So what's the motive for these reopenings now in lib states? Is it in any way guided by science now, or is it a political decision? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283120) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:16 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office Political decision couched in “science.” Many lib counties are not reopening any time soon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283127) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:17 AM Author: mewling station CA and even LA are reopening tomorrow apparently (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283132) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:26 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office Surprising. Not sure what changed. In PacNW metro areas, everything is still ostensibly locked down and isn’t changing any time soon. Tons of Karens and shitlibs love this crap even though it literally probably isn’t even doing anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283150) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:35 AM Author: mewling station Yes, very surprising. Hence my question. Strikes me as weird. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283163) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:51 AM Author: silver hairraiser dopamine electric furnace Clackamas county reopened, its just next door to portland (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283189) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:56 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office Portland itself is “weeks away” according to its newspaper—despite Oregon having virtually no deaths from this. All Seattle metro area remains locked down and will likely not reopen next Monday under Dictator Inslee’s “phased reopening” horseshit—despite WA having very few deaths these days—and nothing close to what other reopening states are experiencing. My understanding is in WA, counties can’t unilaterally decide to reopen—they have to get approval from Inslee. Insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283199) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:02 AM Author: silver hairraiser dopamine electric furnace Its so retarded, like people in portland aren't gonna drive across the river to go to bars in milwaukie
These lib governors are faggots trying desperately to save face |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:09 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283220) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:15 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal laughsome bbw senate eh social distancing has worked. I would say keep churches, movie theaters, clubs and indoor bars closed in cities.
if people take simple steps to protect themselves, we probably would not need to close anything down, but people are idiots. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:17 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office The virus isn’t deadly enough to keep churches closed nearly two months into this. Any sane court will eventually agree. Let people make their own risk assessment. This isn’t Ebola. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283131) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:19 AM Author: mewling station But why are we reopening stuff if people are idiots? What changed in the past week? Either it works or it doesn't. Is it entirely a political decision? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283134) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:39 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal laughsome bbw senate because there are limits to how long we can stay closed.
and there is flattening the curve. If it works enough and the medical system holds (it has) we can endure additional infections while we wait for a vaccine or for all the old and sick people to die. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:42 AM Author: mewling station What limits? Economic? The will of the people? Risk of lawsuits? Political backlash?
None of this is based on "science" -- that's my point. Will politicians just admit that the reopenings have nothing to do with the science one way or another? Doubtful. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 7:50 AM Author: Chest-beating church Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283496) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 8:24 PM Author: medicated poppy fat ankles yeah just close churches. this whole thing is shit, but treating religion like bars is ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40288588) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:33 AM Author: narrow-minded smoky laser beams factory reset button 1) yes, I would agree that reopenings should have started sooner, but then it's not like you can pinpoint a singular ah-ha moment in time when were in the all clear re emergency capacity, and even if you kind of could ex post there's still got to be some allowance for people's tendency to want to err on the side of caution evaluating ex ante.
2) I'm not super familiar with what NY and NE states are doing in terms of 'phased' reopenings. I think perhaps it could make sense to have rules (maybe) or guidelines (preferable) to temporarily reduce capacity in restaurants whose pye-covid setup was basically bodies on bodies, like high volume sushi places in MFH where any two-top is basically having dinner with another randomly assigned couple for how close every table is, or do alternate empty seats at movie theaters fri/sci night. but in large part I'd agree, retarded, and better to just tell people who are old or have compromised immune systems that they need to stay home or avoid crowds. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:37 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office “Reduced capacity” restaurant openings is more pseudoscientific faggotry and lacks any kind of understanding of the restaurant business and how that industry makes money. Most restaurants cannot stay in business at “25% capacity” or whatever arbitrary bullshit figure some public health technocrat has pulled out of her ass. This is an idiotic disaster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283166) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:46 AM Author: mewling station I agree. All this phased reopening bullshit seems like nonsense created by white women with useless MY MASTERS degrees who want to sound smart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283178) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:48 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283181) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:56 AM Author: mewling station Tell me a gassy shrew with a 110 didn't come up with shit like this:
https://www.rileycountyks.gov/ImageRepository/Document?documentID=18754 |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:58 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office It’s based on *nothing.* It just seems like it would make sense, so that’s the policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283201) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:00 AM Author: mewling station And if you use the right colors it seems genius! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283204) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:04 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office Just do crush millions of people’s lives in the name of pseudoscientific “public health” measures that aren’t backed by any hard medical data. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283211) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:09 AM Author: mewling station CR. You should see these guidelines synagogues are putting out. Same nonsense. 20 page lists of rules for prayer service they people will break anyway. Either it's safe or it's not safe to go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283222) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 8:05 AM Author: soul-stirring cruel-hearted center Just imagine how many people like you are going to try to find ways around them. Of course they end up needing 20 pages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283529) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 11:37 AM Author: mewling station And despite 20 pages people will still not follow them. They say stuff like don't stop to chat with people after service and go immediately home. These rules are meant to be broken. And if it's unsafe to chit chat the shuls should just be closed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40285756) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:16 AM Author: narrow-minded smoky laser beams factory reset button I waited tables for 3.5 years off and on late HS/college. I have some concept of the restaurant business and how that industry makes money.
I said I could understand *guidelines* for *some* *temporary* reduction in one specific type of volume restaurant setup where tables are packed very close together. I never said anything like hurr durr all restaurants should just do be profitable again on 75% less business than they were set up for.
mostly I worked at a fairly nice steakhouse (non-chain but doing the same kind of schtick as Ruths Chris, maybe a tiny bit less pricy) where the tables and booths tended to be large and spacing was generous, and wouldn't see anything wrong at all with them recapturing as much of their bignight capacity as there's demand for. but even given total free reign and zero guidelines I think it would be tough for restaurants whose schtick was elbow-to-elbow seating in a packed urban setting to reclaim the kind of business they were doing back in January because customers just won't have much appetite for those places the next few months. they're going have to adjust their layout or pivot towards take away regardless. restauranting is a tough racket in good times, and some of them may have to fold so that someone more innovative has a shot to figure out what the highest and best use of those types of properties is a post Covid economy. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:17 AM Author: Hot doctorate cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283234) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:20 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office I didn’t say you said any of that. The people putting these restrictions into place aren’t drawing the distinctions you are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283240) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 5:34 AM Author: narrow-minded smoky laser beams factory reset button okay, okay. I'm not familiar with all the reopening red tape, particularly wrt NE states so gif there are cities/states that are only allowing restaurants to reopen in a counterproductive value destructive way, as you intimate, then that's dumb AF.
but if it's simply unsafe to reopen certain kinds of service business or if, as I suspect, there would be only lukewarm demand for certain restaurant/business 'setups' that heretofore made high volume of patrons per sq/ft of floorspace a central part of their concept, there can still be value in them partially reopening. it doesn't do the restaurant owner, or the employees, or the PE firm that developed the space or the bank holding the PE firm's mortgage for the properties to simply lay dormant and it also wipes out any multiplicative benefits the economy could realize from 40% patronage of a formerly crowded restaurant, as would-be diners stay home instead of visiting additional bars, shops, and businesses before or after dinner. I get that unemployment spending is part of necessary stimulus spending ITE, but to the extent possible I'd much rather channel it in such a way that instead of just paying out on the dole we encourage businesses to reopen, even if for a time it's unsustainable on a strictly ledger basis, and direct stimulus funds to wherever they're needed somewhere in the chain of operator>landlord>developer>mortgage holder until the right stakeholder guts a temporary haircut that allows the business to reopen even if in a half-cocked format, as that restores some sense of normalcy, consumer confidence, and invites those secondary capital effects rather than leaving the property a bomed out smoldering hole in the ground. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 7:49 AM Author: Chest-beating church We’ve definitely been past that point for quite some time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283492) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:13 AM Author: misanthropic idea he suggested gaping In hindsight, no, the shut down wasn't worth it. Sweden got it right. But hindsight is 20/20.
Remember in March, we had little reliable information about the virus and there were a lot of unknowns; it wasn't unreasonable to have erred on the side of caution at that time.
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:16 AM Author: mewling station Is that the official position we're being fed -- that the lockdowns of this length turned out to be unnecessary with 20/20 hindsight, and now it's time to reopen stuff?
I don't think so. They'd never admit they ever acted wrong |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:20 AM Author: misanthropic idea he suggested gaping Tbf, whether they admit it or not, I think this is "a principled position to justify 2.5 months of lockdowns and then reopening now?" as posited in your OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283136) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:28 AM Author: mewling station Fair
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:48 AM Author: narrow-minded smoky laser beams factory reset button kind of being amorphous as far as which 'they' isn't going to cop to a mistake in order to bring present lockdown/reopening policy into better focus. obviously Trump is never going to say any course he took or advocated for was a mistake. governors are kind of in a Hobson's choice also, because dem/rep/redstate/bluestate whatever it'd be very damaging for any of them to 'admit' any mistake at the state level because that's tantamount to saying 'oops I did way more damage than necessary to our state economy for whatever safety benefit we gained' which is handing a cudgel your next opponent will beat you with whenever reelection cycle is next.
to the extent it's the media opining on lockdowns, well they're as if not more stubborn than Trump himself in never admitting any of their coverage or hot takes were off in any way, and to the extent Trump and reptile governors now seem to be advocating for a robust reopening to help the economy the media's position just becomes reflexive gainsaying of that proposition, so they go all fucking in on reopening = murder and lockdowns forever. at least I assume, I haven't been able to even scroll past CNN or MSNBC the past few weeks without being infuriated by whatever tiny blip of their coverage I hear. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:58 AM Author: mewling station The entire discourse in this country is 90 IQ.
This thread has actually been useful and honest. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 4:35 AM Author: narrow-minded smoky laser beams factory reset button no argument from me as to the utter TTT level of discourse throughout are country.
I think that covering the pandemic has significantly exacerbated the already abysmal level of journalism seen in the modern 24hr newscycle. back in January, even if you despised CNN as much as someone like me does, you could take a half step back and appreciate that over 40 years of doing their schtick they'd learned to steadily execute a well-enough packaged product that was fairly consistent and tended to come out the oven looking more-or-less like what they had intended to bake. they studied their viewership and learned to deliver the customer's desired mix of apolitical event-driven coverage of planes crashing/earths quaking/kittens in trees etc, politically tinted event-driven coverage of cabinet revolving door, trade negotiations, whatever, and unhinged TDS editorializing from their primetime commentators.
it was never really journalism for the benefit of viewers who wanted to BE informed, but slickly packaged kind-of-looks-like journalism for 90 IQ viewers who want to FEEL informed. FOX baked up a similar product flavored for the tastes of their viewers. a full day of their coverage never had half as much information as you'd find in a 8,000 word article in the New Yorker or FT The Economist going in-depth on diamond mining or the long term impact of new mineral extraction techniques on the global energy market or something, but occasionally they'd interview the people who wrote those types of articles for 5 min if they had a new book out or something.
but because of the rona the 24hr news cycle suddenly had ONE | STORY and unlike the few other examples of ONE | STORY situations they were adept enough at covering, say a war or 9/11 breaking out, this one involved specialized knowledge in fields like epidemiology and things approximating closely enough to right and wrong answers so that 90 IQ dullards like Wolf Blitzer got exposed to their viewers as nakedly seeming full retard when someone mashes their nose in their own mess by juxtaposing their MASKS BAD | MASKS NOW! minor curiosity developing in china but experts say no worse than flu | DRUMPF KILLING 100K flip flopping coverage.
I think journalists were and are full-on Yosemite Sam fuming MAF at the way these naked flip flops and their consistent inability understand and report intelligently on term-of-art concepts like contact tracing or herd immunity has seriously put the the sober and erudite adults-in-the-room image of themselves they thought they'd successfully cultivated for themselves during the past three years, when they'd never been challenged to develop any depth or breadth in covering a complicated substantive topic, or really do anything more difficult than think up slight variations of spin in reciting an Orange Man Bad script that was largely pre-written for them. that and the requirement they've also been cultivating the last three years (or perhaps much longer) that every breaking story have a good/bad/winners/losers political Angle forced them to double down on directionalizing every story past the point of absurdity to where there's unironic reference in coverage of Georgia;s reopening to 'Human Sacrifice,' and people wanting to party at the pool or the beach like they have every other Memorial Day are monsters that need to be legislatively expunged from society like jews under the Nuremberg laws.
it's just such complete and total fucking flame what a TTT cesspool of shit journalism has become over the past three years and so much moreso the last three months it's horrifying. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 11:40 AM Author: mewling station 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40285781) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 8:01 PM Author: Pungent useless death wish marketing idea i thought you got off the tutu wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40288490) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 8:19 PM Author: Swashbuckling Gaped Rehab Police Squad https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/sweden-isn-t-anywhere-close-to-reaching-herd-immunity-after-anti-lockdown-strategy-1.4950144
Sweden didn't get it right |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:14 AM Author: Pearly floppy pistol They made total sense when the death rate was pegged at 5%. They fell apart when the numerous serological studies placed it at .1%, off by a factor of 50 and that basically every death was extremely old or unhealthy.
At this point, It became clear not only that the lockdowns were a failure, but that we should have been pumping billions into nursing homes on an insane lockdown protocol and had instead murdered these people by not focusing on their health and many times admitting covid people around them.
Now, you are a politician, there is no coming clean to this. Virus scary and blaring out 100k deaths is your only viable path. Deep down even the lib governors know there should be a full reopening with distancing encouraged coupled with a military style lockdown of nursing homes until the vaccine, except you can’t do that, because it acknowledges your failings.
As a result we have this chaos and a bunch of people irrationally scared out of their minds or not nearly scared enough. The craziest part is that there is a correlation between virus fear and young age. Whole thing is just out of hand and people aren’t ready for the narrative shift. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:22 AM Author: mewling station 180 poast. But why aren't politicians keeping everything locked down period? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283142) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:26 AM Author: Pearly floppy pistol Because they are going to have to lay off tens of thousands of civil servants if not. If there was a dem president and Congress we’d just have a 15 trillion dollar bill and shut it all down til the vaccine.
The permanent lockdown can work only with funding, but thankfully Trump won’t reimburse any of the states or cities. Even la is coming around with the latest doj threat. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:29 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office Hot take: there would have been virtually no lockdowns anywhere had this been overseen by a Dem POTUS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283154) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:35 AM Author: Pearly floppy pistol The idea that we would have not locked down like the rest of the world seems absurd to me. I do think we would have lifted restrictions based on the new data I reference, possibly, but probably not. Virus bad is a religion to Dems and they would have used the virus as an opportunity to engage in massive social engineering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283162) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:38 AM Author: Wonderful lemon office They would have rushed into destroying the economy like that with a Dem POTUS up for re-election? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283168) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:49 AM Author: Pearly floppy pistol They would have done some new deal type ubi program sending all proles 3k per month and would have swept the election. So many proles working low wage jobs would have come out in droves to endorse their improved reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283185) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:34 AM Author: mewling station Good poast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283161) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 5:40 AM Author: narrow-minded smoky laser beams factory reset button cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283379) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:40 AM Author: emerald swollen corner cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283171) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:28 PM Author: Bespoke gaming laptop All cr but even as someone who was extremely concerned about the virus in February and early March, I never supported government-mandated lockdowns. I advocated for the border to be shutdown in January with mandatory quarantines for returning citizens (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40286791) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:34 AM Author: emerald swollen corner if you had perfect foresight, the best plan (other than just closing borders and preventing all incoming vectors in the first place) would be to strongly isolate the at-risk population in nursing homes etc., and maybe lock down for two weeks in order to slow the spread among middle-age adults, then use practical measures like social distancing and N-95 masks to further control the spread
without perfect foresight, however, we had no idea what was going on and what the mortality rate was. there were no masks whatsoever and no one was used to social distancing. if we had not locked down initially, it's plausible that NYC -- which got bad but was not overwhelmed -- would actually have been overwhelmed and caused the nation to panic and to go into an unnecessary and prolonged lockdown
the fact that the nation panicked and went into a prolonged lockdown anyway just reflects the retarded politicization of the bat flu
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:46 AM Author: Pearly floppy pistol Everyone harps too much on the lockdowns being dumb for the general pop and not enough on the fact that we did nothing for seniors and in some way increased the danger in our response.
One tough aspect of this whole thing is staring soberly at the fact that we put seniors in nursing homes, which are depressive scummy death traps which are essentially the trash bin for our elderly.
Our society generally treats the 80 plus elderly like absolute trash and it’s an unwriten rule that we just all disregard these people and throw them away like garbage. We also keep them alive in physical or mental condition that is undignified. We are unwilling to have a mature conversation on what to do with these people and when is the right time to go. We all just want to throw them away and ignore them because we are too scared to face our own mortality. More than anything, I think it’s time to actually address these societal issues. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:50 AM Author: Big sandwich parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283187) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:53 AM Author: emerald swollen corner if we had directed even a small fraction of the stimulus funds toward turning nursing homes into fortresses, we probably could have slashed the number of deaths by anywhere from 20 to 40% right off the bat
i get that people tune out immediately after hearing about nursing homes, but even if people believe that senior citizens are worthless trash, protecting them would have been worth it purely as a matter of national pride or dignity and also to prevent panic |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:11 AM Author: Hot doctorate cuckold I agree that it would have been nice to have done *something* better to prevent olds from getting pwn3d by this. But I have a hard time conceiving of anything workable. All it takes is one CNA whose boyfriend works at a meatpacking plant and BAM, dozens of people die.
We would need to be strictly quarantining not just all the olds, but their caregivers too. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:15 AM Author: emerald swollen corner I actually think that what we should have done
At the very least, the caretakers should have been wearing completely protective PPE, to the point where even an infected caregiver would not have transmitted the disease |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:31 AM Author: Hot doctorate cuckold It still ends up being pretty damn hard from a lot of angles.
The staffing ratio in old person facilities is pretty fucking huge. There's a reason why long term care costs as much as it does, and it's not because the operators of these places are completely balling out of control.
Also, the PPE shortage is real. My sister is a hospital pharmacist in a fairly bougie locale and has yet to wear an N95. |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:36 PM Author: Bespoke gaming laptop I have been advocating for this for months. And it's not unfeasible. Put the staff on two week shifts, they do not get to interact with residents until their test comes back negative upon re-entry. If anything seems untenable just remember that the actual treatment applies was shutting down the entire country and printing trillions of dollars. Virtually everything else that is humanly possible pales in comparison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40286867) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:55 AM Author: jet-lagged magenta chapel background story In Italy, elders are treasured and kept at home. This didn't end well for them either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283197) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:57 AM Author: Hot doctorate cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283200) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:03 AM Author: silver hairraiser dopamine electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283209) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 3:06 AM Author: Pearly floppy pistol If Italians had understood the risk, they would have taken extreme precaution to isolate and protect their elders within the home. The home would have been highly restricted to a few family members rather than hundreds of potentially infected folks.
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Date: May 27th, 2020 8:08 AM Author: excitant area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4542996&forum_id=2#40283535) |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 2:39 PM Author: cyan thirsty foreskin We treat our youngs who have life left like shit, but ALSO make them work
How about we have a conversation about that |
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Date: May 27th, 2020 8:25 PM Author: outnumbered cordovan mediation native I posted this a bunch when virusbadmos kept pushing to extend the lockdown. There was never any difference between opening back up in May vs June vs October.
There was a plausible argument that during the beginning of the lockdown we needed to "flatten the curve" and/or assess the nature of the virus. This was a bit of a weak argument given that we new back in March the death rate was 0.6 max.
But once it became clear that the hospitals would not be overwhelmed and the virus was not that deadly, there was really only 2 camps a smart person could be in - either we open things up, or we stay huddled in our houses until a vaccine came in 2021. |