OldHLSdude does blm pose an existential threat to the usa
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 1:21 PM Author: Razzmatazz Cream Trailer Park Twinkling Uncleanness
Big question. A ramble: I don't know, of course, but here is my hypothesis/speculation: BLM does not in and of itself constitute a threat; however, it is one of many offshoots of something more general that does. The general thing is subterranean but I am too disconnected from the world now to have a good apprehension of it; however, I think is composed of easily led and disaffected people who get their jollies from feeling like they are part of a movement. It's like a fungus - the main growth is underground and things like BLM are just the fruiting body (the mushroom) that pops up to spread more spores. I am not sure whether there is highly centralized leadership -it's more a cell thing, but money is provided by unwitting contributors to BLM (one of its most important purposes is being a fundraising tool), foreign entities, and certain of the progressive "elite." The goal of the movement, whatever it is, is the overthrow of the US as a power and disrupt our society. China/Russia/Iran love this because it's a low cost/low risk form of warfare. Western liberal democracies are particularly susceptible to this form of attack.
The underground fungus has been around around a long time, but it seems to have been made more virulent by social media, which have become a great tool for communication and spread of disinformation. Many have bought into it because of the media created hatred of Trump, and the social dislocation brought about by Covid has provided a better than usual growth environment. I fear that our elected leadership is not going to deal with these disruptions effectively. Cities and states are generally following an appeasement strategy and the feds are alarmingly hands off, I suspect for fear of any action being turned against the incumbent Pres.
However, the pendulum seems to swing for reasons known only to God and the equations of complex dynamic systems, so I expect this current ruckus to fade as Covid fades and people get back to social normalcy. The problem is that every time one of these periods comes up there is hysteresis involved - things get nudged a little bit in a direction that favors more chaos. The 60s-70s period led to a leftist takeover of educational institutions which helped put us where we are now.
As previously noted, it's easy to foment dissent in free and open societies. I think the leftists will eventually win and usher in an era of totalitarianism the likes of which this nation has not seen before. It may take a few more cycles before that happens. Is there an out? Possibly. The old saying, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance" is true. Vigilance is the key. I don't see much of it at the moment.
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 2:15 PM Author: Razzmatazz Cream Trailer Park Twinkling Uncleanness
Because we, as a free and open society, cannot muster the will to keep them out of control. As I mentioned, vigilance is the price, but nobody seems to want to pay it. Now that leftists have gained control of the media and educational system, it's going to take a herculean effort to overcome the trend. There is a critical mass of leftists in positions of influence and power.
If your question is why will it be a totalitarian kind of leftism, I think, but can't prove, that Americans are prone to liking orthodoxy, even as they pretend to want to be rugged individuals. If you combine Yankee ingenuity with rampant statism I think we can make the Islamists look like pussies. We are already at the point at which virtually everybody in the country is afraid to say anything about race, gender, or a zillion other topics. Talk about hostile work environments! People are walking on eggshells and don't fight back because they know they will get fucked over.
I am just speculating of course. The only think I can say about my ability to predict the future is that I have always been wrong. The future just doesn't happen; it's created by what what people do and don't do. Younger folks than I will determine the country's destiny.
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 3:49 PM Author: Razzmatazz Cream Trailer Park Twinkling Uncleanness
It just seems to me that the power trend is in the leftward direction because of the orientation of media and the educational system. Unless that changes they are going to wear down the other side. Any manifestation of authoritarianism in the near future will likely be leftist as they will be the side in power. The flavor of leftism I see in the US is not happy Medicare for all socialism, but a push for confiscation, redistribution and reparations, all presided over by a junta of bigtech and government, chanting, "It's all in your best interests." Strikes me as a particularly American and toxic combo.
In spite of Trump's win, I don't think conservatives will be able to hold the line against the media/educational consortium. For example, we damned near had a coup (may yet happen). I suppose the right could rise up and try to lock up all the leftists, but given the control of media, education and the judiciary by the left, that seems unlikely.
However, I as I said earlier, the pendulum may well swing many times, and will keep swinging. Any "win" by either extreme will be temporary, but if you have to live a large part of your life though it, it may as well be permanent.
I am just guessing. I would not wager any significant amount on any outcome. Maybe we will end up with something like the French revolution, or maybe it will all go away.
I really dislike making predictions, but since somebody asked....
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Date: July 4th, 2020 9:10 PM Author: Beady-eyed faggot firefighter pisswyrm
A lot of impressive stuff here.
"China/Russia/Iran love this because it's a low cost/low risk form of warfare" - the original 1960s shit was funded by the USSR. It would be fascinating to know if China in particular is directly funding this. Why am I focusing on them? Iran/Russia have serious financial issues right now and are generally occupied. For the Chinese, they needed this for a number of reasons, including to make sure the US is occupied just as Hong Kong is finally and permanently resolved. The fact that Biden has longstanding and deep ties to China is, as they say, icing on the cake.
"Vigilance is the key. I don't see much of it at the moment."
But keep in mind, we're seeing the usual "adults in the room" (heads of corporations, wall street, etc.) actively supporting this instead of going against it.
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Date: July 4th, 2020 1:36 AM Author: Appetizing chrome point
America was 80% white in 1980.
America was a bit under 60% white, Christian married in 1980.
America is under 60% white in 2020.
America is around 25% white, Christian married in 2020.
#1. It will be 50%/15% by 2040. So with the cultural and demographic data stated, do you believe there is still enough cohesion and numbers for the white population to mount a Moral Majority counterattack like in 1980? The 1980 counterattack was successful in halting disintegration for about 20 years.
#2. If there is no longer any hope of a successful counterattack, do you think if America is divided up, there would be left a legacy 2/3 piece of territory and population that could hold the ground? You have said you don't like the idea of dissolving the US, so putting that aside please answer the question.
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Date: July 4th, 2020 12:30 PM Author: Razzmatazz Cream Trailer Park Twinkling Uncleanness
I think there could be a successful counter attack but I don’t see any leadership with the will to do it. Trump tries, I suppose, but he has not been effective - even undermined by his “own” party. I don’t think immigration or race has caused this mess. We are where we are because of the children of Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, et al. Most of them are white and native born. Immigration policy has been the product of those people, not the case we of them. And yes, many are Boomers.
When I was in DC I was too specialized and removed from domestic affairs to have any inside view regarding mobilization of evangelicals. What I did was not very political. However, based on my personal experience evangelicals and even a segment of the Catholic church could again be mobilized. What’s missing is a leadership team. Poor DJT is too much of a Lone Ranger. I don’t think he even has Tonto. Reagan had a superb team. That’s a key point: to fight back there has to be a charismatic point person and a loyal, capable, committed, and good sized team. The big take away from my Reagan experience was the great extent to which people knew the game plan and played their positions. A lot of that was due to the hiring process. I spent most of my time on tech and non domestic stuff and missed much of the big domestic and political picture.
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Date: July 4th, 2020 12:31 PM Author: Medicated ruddy codepig mental disorder
"I don’t think immigration or race has caused this mess. We are where we are because of the children of Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, et al. Most of them are white and native born."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Date: July 5th, 2020 2:52 AM Author: Transparent Forum Gaping
this is so misguided its funny. shows that boomercucks like you are still fucking clueless
think of democratic party and socialism. and what kind of people are attracted to them. and why dems have been successful in moving far left while at the same time continue to dominate elections. u still think immigration/demographics doesn't play a role?
feinsteins/goldbergs and the self hating white acolytes in academic/corporate america can only provide the theoretical foundation. you still need the muscle to hammer the nail. the reason shitlibs are so successful is their strength in numbers. 40 years ago a HS kid bashing washington would be slammed into a locker before he could finish uttering "problematic"
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:46 AM Author: Razzmatazz Cream Trailer Park Twinkling Uncleanness
I'll try again: immigrants don't come here as pre-configured leftists. The reason so many of them get that way is because of the educational system, media, labor unions, immigrant support groups, community organizers, and the urban immigrant ghetto culture. Immigrants are targeted and they are susceptible. Native born people are likewise converted by schools and media. If all immigration stopped immediately it would not stop the process, though it might slow it a little. The point I was trying to make was that the immigration wave of the past 40 years did not all by itself cause the leftward movement of the U.S. It was engineered by what I called the children of Zinn and Chomsky who achieved control of education and media, among other institutions. They pushed immigration, not to get more of their kind, but to get more raw material for their kind. They don't need a 100% conversion ratio - anything significantly over 50% works, but the higher it gets the faster the process goes. Why do Dems want open borders? Not to get more pre-made Dems, but to have more fodder for converts. As my friend in Texas used to say, "Every minute a new Democrat crosses the Rio Grande." To repeat: immigrants themselves are not the problem; it's what happens after they get here. We'll have to talk about Islamists separately. The solution is not to stop immigration, but to wrest free education and media from leftist control and interrupt the conversion process. Is that possible? We'll never know until we have effective conservative leadership teams. Right now they seem to be MIA.
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Date: July 5th, 2020 5:57 PM Author: Transparent Forum Gaping
ok u are getting close but have you considered this?
if illegals were for some reason mostly germans or japanese fleeing a natural disaster in germany or japan do u think they will be as susceptible to
"the educational system, media, labor unions, immigrant support groups, community organizers, and the urban immigrant ghetto culture. Immigrants are targeted and they are susceptible"?
the key factor is that nature of current immigrants itself makes them susceptible to lib indoctrination because modern society requires high IQ/skills to be successful (no more easy middle class life style making shoes or t shirt in the US). so these groups are naturally drawn to liberalism for two reasons
1) explain their under performance (wealth, lack of representation in high paying jobs, top colleges) as due to external factors so they can cope psychologically with being close to the bottom in a multi racial society which liberals conveniently supply - SYSTEMIC RACISM, BIASED SAT blah blah
2) use BIG GOVERNMENT to close the gap - affirmative action, diversity quotas, massive welfare or even reparations as means of redistribution which again aligns with democrats
if most legal immigrants and illegals were germans or japanese the liberal complex would be ineffective simply because they dont need an excuse to validate their self worth or help from the government to succeed in a modern, capitalistic society. they would crush life on their own and be at the top of the ladder. some % of these german/japanese would still be liberals just like there are true lib believers among NE WASPS, high IQ intellectuals, stem bros etc but it will be due to their intellect and not due to dependence on liberalism
so yah liberal machine requires the right type of human fodder to function. it cant work with any type of immigrant
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Date: July 4th, 2020 1:56 AM Author: Sapphire Toilet Seat
"Cities and states are generally following an appeasement strategy"
Corporate America is following an appeasement strategy as well.
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Date: July 5th, 2020 12:48 AM Author: Beady-eyed faggot firefighter pisswyrm
Not really, for two reasons:
1) A Mexican consumer buying a Ford F150 or on Twitter or whatever is no worse than the same consumer in the US.
2) The whole point is to pay them less, meaning that they're not exactly awesome consumers, especially considering high American COL and the fact that they work to send money back home.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4575602&forum_id=2#40548912) |
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