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GUNMOS, I re-watched Silence of the Lambs. All FBI agents had revolvers.

Is the semi-auto really that new?
Thriller cyan box office
  08/10/20
Relatively new as an issued weapon to FBI officers, yeah. ...
Vigorous Tattoo Partner
  08/10/20
Thought this guys analysis was interesting: https://youtu...
razzle-dazzle meetinghouse incel
  08/10/20
Paul Harrel is 180. Got hooked on him after I saw his video ...
cerise garrison useless brakes
  08/10/20
Just watched that video. Guy is indeed 180.
razzle-dazzle meetinghouse incel
  08/10/20
He killed a guy in self defense with his CCW. I don’t ...
cerise garrison useless brakes
  08/10/20
lol, "pictured above" https://www.wallowa.com/n...
Thriller cyan box office
  08/10/20
https://www.wallowa.com/news/harrell-freed-of-manslaughter-c...
milky 180 school legal warrant
  08/10/20
180 sketch. Also he was right.
cerise garrison useless brakes
  08/10/20
🤣 https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wallowa.c...
iridescent self-centered space
  08/10/20
interesitng. i thought revolvers had a lot of stopping power...
Magical Hall Bbw
  08/10/20
so did I. I thought that's why some used revolvers in the fi...
Indecent dashing tanning salon deer antler
  08/10/20
either they were carrying 38 special (not 357 mag) or "...
concupiscible shivering community account
  08/10/20
yeah i think they are mixing up stopping power + reloading
Magical Hall Bbw
  08/10/20
Cops typically used 38 special revolvers Only two cops in...
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  08/10/20
Caliber doesn't matter nearly as much as ammunition and proj...
milky 180 school legal warrant
  08/10/20
There were a lot of factors that coalesced into autoloaders ...
milky 180 school legal warrant
  08/10/20
i remember when i was getting my pistol permit, the trainer ...
Indecent dashing tanning salon deer antler
  08/10/20
I was thinking about SotL last night. Realized the entire dr...
Chartreuse gunner reading party
  08/10/20
Yeah, that and the night-vision goggles.
Thriller cyan box office
  08/10/20
there was the face thing too in the ambulance
Heady painfully honest halford pocket flask
  08/10/20
if buffalo bill had a semi-auto pistol instead of a revolver...
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  08/10/20
...
Magical Hall Bbw
  08/10/20
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  08/10/20
*xo basement-dwellers scribble notes*
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deranged temple knife
  08/10/20
I assume FBI agents don’t get much use of out their fi...
Brindle boistinker candlestick maker
  08/10/20
and pretending to be KKK
Naked theater stage psychic
  08/10/20
*reading xoxo
Magical Hall Bbw
  08/10/20
...
Thriller cyan box office
  08/10/20
This past February I saw 4 young, buff, sexy as fuck snowboa...
Charismatic Crimson Stage Chad
  08/10/20
Not all.. she gets a 1911 pointed at the back of her head in...
swashbuckling dun jap theater
  08/10/20
Hand strength's a major factor in steady combat shooting.
cerebral fortuitous meteor
  08/10/20
Your moniker is bullsh*t btw.
cerebral fortuitous meteor
  08/10/20
Fuck you, nigger.
Thriller cyan box office
  08/10/20
...
pontificating set
  08/11/20
I have a 357 in my nightstand for home defense.
violent diverse depressive
  08/10/20
I love revolvers.
Thriller cyan box office
  08/10/20
(guy who is gonna get got by clarice starling)
Naked theater stage psychic
  08/10/20
That's hot.
Thriller cyan box office
  08/11/20
jodie foster is hot, especially just after she has her face ...
Naked theater stage psychic
  08/11/20
357 is potus for human stopping power. I think G. Gordon Lid...
Rusted Dragon
  08/11/20
FBI went back to 9mm guns recently. "Stopping power ...
razzle-dazzle meetinghouse incel
  08/10/20
Largely due to improvements in ammunition, and the fact that...
milky 180 school legal warrant
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Date: August 10th, 2020 3:26 PM
Author: Thriller cyan box office

Is the semi-auto really that new?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40733779)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 3:58 PM
Author: Vigorous Tattoo Partner

Relatively new as an issued weapon to FBI officers, yeah.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40733964)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:25 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle meetinghouse incel

Thought this guys analysis was interesting:

https://youtu.be/iv8cByaVyNQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734065)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:32 PM
Author: cerise garrison useless brakes

Paul Harrel is 180. Got hooked on him after I saw his video of him shooting from the bee through the sheets.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734104)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 5:33 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle meetinghouse incel

Just watched that video. Guy is indeed 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734392)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 5:43 PM
Author: cerise garrison useless brakes

He killed a guy in self defense with his CCW. I don’t think he ever discusses it for legal reasons but there are news articles out there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734430)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 5:53 PM
Author: Thriller cyan box office

lol, "pictured above"

https://www.wallowa.com/news/i-will-be-exonerated-troy-shooting-defendant-vows/article_8394c2ff-a065-5019-a4a2-7d8ef0aa7ad8.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734462)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 6:03 PM
Author: milky 180 school legal warrant

https://www.wallowa.com/news/harrell-freed-of-manslaughter-charges-in-troy-shooting/article_b148a9a9-2280-5ca8-968f-3e7a84fcdc1a.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734514)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 6:08 PM
Author: cerise garrison useless brakes

180 sketch. Also he was right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734528)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 11:47 PM
Author: iridescent self-centered space

🤣

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wallowa.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/5f/05fd3556-9c22-53c5-bde7-3b807a64ac0e/5bfd7a4482533.image.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40736289)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:28 PM
Author: Magical Hall Bbw

interesitng. i thought revolvers had a lot of stopping power?

A subsequent FBI investigation placed partial blame for the agents' deaths on the lack of stopping power exhibited by their service handguns. While a few of the agents were equipped with 9mm semi-automatic pistols, most of the agents owned revolvers which made up the majority of the weapons involved in the fight. The FBI soon began the search for a more powerful caliber cartridge to issue to all agents. Noting the difficulties of reloading a revolver while under fire, the FBI specified that agents should be armed with magazine-fed semi-automatic pistols. This incident contributed to the increasing trend of law enforcement agencies to switch from revolvers to semi-automatics across the United States.[20]



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734087)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:30 PM
Author: Indecent dashing tanning salon deer antler

so did I. I thought that's why some used revolvers in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734092)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:38 PM
Author: concupiscible shivering community account

either they were carrying 38 special (not 357 mag) or "stopping power" is misused here.

according to FBI stats 357 mag has the highest single shot drop-rate of any ammo (dont remember the link its a common internet thing)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734132)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:43 PM
Author: Magical Hall Bbw

yeah i think they are mixing up stopping power + reloading

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734148)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:45 PM
Author: Odious mustard keepsake machete alpha

Cops typically used 38 special revolvers

Only two cops in Miami had 357s

Of the eight agents at the scene, two had Remington 870 shotguns in their vehicles (McNeill and Mireles), three were armed with Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm semi-automatic pistols (Dove, Grogan, and Risner), and the rest (six) were armed with Smith & Wesson revolvers; two had .357 Magnums and five had .38 Specials. Two of the agents had backup .38 Special revolvers (Hanlon and Risner) and both would use them at some point during the fight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734160)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:46 PM
Author: milky 180 school legal warrant

Caliber doesn't matter nearly as much as ammunition and projectiles. I would bet dollars to donuts even the .357 magnums were loaded with either hardcast lead or round-nosed lead as opposed to a modern expanding bullet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734169)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: milky 180 school legal warrant

There were a lot of factors that coalesced into autoloaders replacing revolvers.

Revolvers could chamber much bigger and more powerful cartridges like .357 magnum or .45 colt, while semi-autos basically topped out at .45 ACP due to weak materials and weaker locking systems. Automatic guns need to hold the chamber closed until pressures drop to a safe level, while retaining enough energy to eject the spent case and chamber a new round. It took a lot of material science, CAD design, and simulation work to come up with modern polymer pistols which can survive high pressures while remaining light enough to carry all day every day with 15+ rounds in them.

Projectile technology had improved vastly since the days of round nosed lead bullets which were standard issue since the proliferation of brass cartridges in the 1850s. Hollow points allowed much more damage from previously "weak" rounds like 9mm parabellum - a modern LE expanding projectile like Federal HST will still do far more damage than hardball .357 magnum or .45 ACP that were previously standard issue across American military and police forces.

Magazines are the source of most issues with firearms, and as different improvements were made in magazine design and materials, semi-automatics became more viable. Previously were autoloaders relegated to competition shooting or the military (where they were last ditch rather than primary weapons), and revolvers were the only gun you wanted if you could only have one gun. Being able to reload fast was a huge advantage, but only if the magazine you were putting in was going to feed reliably.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734151)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:32 PM
Author: Indecent dashing tanning salon deer antler

i remember when i was getting my pistol permit, the trainer explained to me that you really have to unload into someone to bring them down most of the time. in the movies it is a neat clean double-tap but usually doesn't work that way IRL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734103)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:08 PM
Author: Chartreuse gunner reading party

I was thinking about SotL last night. Realized the entire drama turned on one camera trick: you were made to believe FBI was raiding killer's house and Clarise was just knocking on random door up until the very last moment.

Brilliant, but simple af.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40733996)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:15 PM
Author: Thriller cyan box office

Yeah, that and the night-vision goggles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734024)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 5:55 PM
Author: Heady painfully honest halford pocket flask

there was the face thing too in the ambulance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734469)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:18 PM
Author: Naked theater stage psychic

if buffalo bill had a semi-auto pistol instead of a revolver, clarice would have died in that basement...it was the hammer drawing back that allowed her to kill buffalo bill

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734034)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:19 PM
Author: Magical Hall Bbw



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:26 PM
Author: Thriller cyan box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734075)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:34 PM
Author: submissive stock car bawdyhouse

*xo basement-dwellers scribble notes*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734118)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 7:34 AM
Author: Brass business firm



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Date: August 10th, 2020 5:48 PM
Author: deranged temple knife



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:21 PM
Author: Brindle boistinker candlestick maker

I assume FBI agents don’t get much use of out their firearms anyway—they spend all their time watching people download kiddie porn torrents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734048)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:25 PM
Author: Naked theater stage psychic

and pretending to be KKK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734068)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:34 PM
Author: Magical Hall Bbw

*reading xoxo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734116)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 4:34 PM
Author: Thriller cyan box office



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Date: August 10th, 2020 6:38 PM
Author: Charismatic Crimson Stage Chad

This past February I saw 4 young, buff, sexy as fuck snowboarder bro FBI Special Agents come running up in the Wal Mart McDonalds I was eating in and arrest this trashy bro and his girlfriend. They were carrying M4s. The best part was that the last bro was pushing a cart with some sort of robot in it like for use in case bro pulled out a gat and took hostages or something. For real these bros were buff as fuck and fucking SEXY. One looked like Gronk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734647)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 6:04 PM
Author: swashbuckling dun jap theater

Not all.. she gets a 1911 pointed at the back of her head in a training scene... one of the FBI officers raiding the empty house has a P7 for some reason.. and if the hotel SWAT officers were FBI they carried semis as well.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40734516)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 9:53 PM
Author: cerebral fortuitous meteor

Hand strength's a major factor in steady combat shooting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40735747)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 9:54 PM
Author: cerebral fortuitous meteor

Your moniker is bullsh*t btw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40735755)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 11:36 PM
Author: Thriller cyan box office

Fuck you, nigger.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40736256)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 12:01 AM
Author: pontificating set



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Date: August 10th, 2020 10:04 PM
Author: violent diverse depressive

I have a 357 in my nightstand for home defense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40735814)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 11:37 PM
Author: Thriller cyan box office

I love revolvers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40736259)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 11:58 PM
Author: Naked theater stage psychic

(guy who is gonna get got by clarice starling)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40736347)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 12:19 AM
Author: Thriller cyan box office

That's hot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40736435)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 7:51 AM
Author: Naked theater stage psychic

jodie foster is hot, especially just after she has her face sharpened!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40737006)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 7:42 AM
Author: Rusted Dragon

357 is potus for human stopping power. I think G. Gordon Liddy praises it from his days in the FBI.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40736992)



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Date: August 10th, 2020 11:53 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle meetinghouse incel

FBI went back to 9mm guns recently.

"Stopping power is a myth."

https://sofrep.com/gear/the-reasons-why-fbi-went-to-back-to-9mm/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40736324)



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Date: August 11th, 2020 12:06 AM
Author: milky 180 school legal warrant

Largely due to improvements in ammunition, and the fact that handguns universally suck at killing people compared to rifles and even subguns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4600975&forum_id=2#40736376)